The Shining (1980)

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by notops

Seek therapy. No joke.

If you ever say, "Uh, there's nothing funny about ____", know that I would never hang out with you... Because you are wrong.

You should be smart enough to accept that things are tragic and awful and still have a sense of humor about them. It doesn’t make you a bad person, despite what some dumb comment like yours may say.

“Oh, there’s nothing funny about ____.”
Uhhhh, yes there is if you write a good joke. There’s funny things about everything.


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[myway]

Depression is difficult to tackle and requires a multifaceted approach; medication in conjunction with therapy, in conjunction with a healthy lifestyle...The only controversy here comes from anyone trying to tout one approach over all or discount others. Now that the truth has been stated in plain English, back to the movie.

[notops]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

If you ever say, "Uh, there's nothing funny about ____", know that I would never hang out with you... Because you are wrong.

You should be smart enough to accept that things are tragic and awful and still have a sense of humor about them. It doesn’t make you a bad person, despite what some dumb comment like yours may say.

“Oh, there’s nothing funny about ____.”
Uhhhh, yes there is if you write a good joke. There’s funny things about everything.


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Post # 2779. I say this with compassion, not condemnation.

[notops]

Originally Posted by eiknarf

Nah, I'm good.

You however...

I've posted nothing in this thread that would reveal my personal character, as you have been doing. What compels you to make this particular judgment about me?

[MifuneFan]

Please get back on topic, thanks..

[English Patient]

Originally Posted by Dr. Pavel

without the film the novel would just be a cute little footnote in his career. it's just so basic when you strip it down, no wonder the filmmaking required many turns.

and it's also my right to call him an a-hole based on what i hear and see of him.

third: what? it's just so strange that's the thing bothering you. what does that have to do with anything?

and fourth, well duh. but again, another weird thing to point out.

No, the book wouldn't be "a cute little footnote" in his career. It's widely regarded as one of the best modern horror novels. And no, the novel is not "so basic when you strip it down." But you readily admit that you only read it once long ago. I've read it cover-to-cover about half a dozen times over the last 30 years and I can almost quote passages verbatim.

It's NOT "so basic." The Overlook sees Jack as a man with many weaknesses, and it preys on every one - his alcoholism, his ambition to be a great writer, his resentment of his family, his abusive childhood, his insecurity as a father/husband, etc. For example, there's a great, unsettling passage where the voice of Jack's dead father comes through on the radio, goading him to kill his family "because they'll always be conspiring against you." Not everything in the book is reduced to "alcohol made him do it" the way you think.

I think your intense hatred of the book and King is the thing that's weird. It's okay to not like the book, but you're making blanket statements about the book that are just plain incorrect.

And I'm not dumping on Kubrick. I love the movie, but I know it has flaws. Just as the book has flaws.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Please get back on topic, thanks..

I'd rather people discuss aspect ratios and which version is best ...

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by chip75

I'd rather people discuss aspect ratios and which version is best ...

That's easy, the shorter version x

[P-Rock]

Originally Posted by English Patient

No, the book wouldn't be "a cute little footnote" in his career. It's widely regarded as one of the best modern horror novels. And no, the novel is not "so basic when you strip it down." But you readily admit that you only read it once long ago. I've read it cover-to-cover about half a dozen times over the last 30 years and I can almost quote passages verbatim.

It's NOT "so basic." The Overlook sees Jack as a man with many weaknesses, and it preys on every one - his alcoholism, his ambition to be a great writer, his resentment of his family, his abusive childhood, his insecurity as a father/husband, etc. For example, there's a great, unsettling passage where the voice of Jack's dead father comes through on the radio, goading him to kill his family "because they'll always be conspiring against you." Not everything in the book is reduced to "alcohol made him do it" the way you think.

I think your intense hatred of the book and King is the thing that's weird. It's okay to not like the book, but you're making blanket statements about the book that are just plain incorrect.

And I'm not dumping on Kubrick. I love the movie, but I know it has flaws. Just as the book has flaws.

Stop feeding the Kubrick troll. Just ignore his idiotic rants.

[English Patient]

Originally Posted by P-Rock

Stop feeding the Kubrick troll. Just ignore his idiotic rants.

My mistake. Too often I let myself get sucked into these things.

Anyway, I found this interview with Diane Johnson, who talks about working with Kubrick and what was discarded from her script of The Shining. Can't remember if I posted this before:

http://scrapsfromtheloft.com/2018/01...diane-johnson/

[pmil]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

Google “antidepressants work“ and get up to date with recently published research and with the science. I’m not on antidepressants as you presume, I don’t suffer from depression. I have a lot of people on my life who are and whose quality of life has been drastically improved by them. Even if you disagree, there is enough evidence to back up King, who you seem to be desperate to discredit here.

I’ll leave it here as not to derail the thread any further.

I need to respond one last time. How about you take the red pill and really go down the rabbit hole by Googling anti-depressant side-effects? In my research I searched for all information, without bias. I was simply looking for answers, not justification for anything. I did that for around two years. Have you done the same? Are you able to do the same?

Simple logic will also tell you that enough of anything that makes a person more into a zombie (less feeling, emotionally and physically) like marijuana does, for example, will lessen behavioral and physical effects. It's faulty logic to then assume that because that is the case that that must be a reasonable treatment for something short of end of life care, and in this case something that has never been reasonably defined as a medical condition in and of itself. To do that to someone is lobotomy logic, which is interesting because taking anti-depressants is similar to a chemical lobotomy.

No, I don't think you have an interest in taking that red pill and learning the truth. You just want to believe whatever it is you want to believe. That's a big problem with society today.

As for Stephen King, he is a big boy who can take care of himself.

[pmil]

Originally Posted by chip75

I'd rather people discuss aspect ratios and which version is best ...

I believe a movie should always be shown as it was in the theater. I don't like any revisionism, especially when it comes to image quality such as incorrect color and contrast, even if the director himself is doing it. The Exorcist director, who's name escapes me right now, did that with the French Connection with his new pastel color palette. Idiotic and disrespectful to fans of the film.

[Axl Rose]

Originally Posted by Impossible

That's easy, the shorter version x

I see the arguments for both. The US fills in some gaps and gives you a few more scenes to make it feel more long/isolated.

Euro cut is more tightly paced, leaves you with a few things to figure out on your own, and removes the hacky skeleton shot.

You can't go wrong either way.

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by Axl Rose

I see the arguments for both. The US fills in some gaps and gives you a few more scenes to make it feel more long/isolated.

Euro cut is more tightly paced, leaves you with a few things to figure out on your own, and removes the hacky skeleton shot.

You can't go wrong either way.

I enjoy both but having grown up with the Euro cut,I prefer that as do most it seems you grew up with the longer version and prefer that cut.

I agree the skeleton scene is what drags down that version for me more than anything.

[pmil]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

I enjoy both but having grown up with the Euro cut,I prefer that as do most it seems you grew up with the longer version and prefer that cut.

I agree the skeleton scene is what drags down that version for me more than anything.

What skeleton scene?

[Axl Rose]

Originally Posted by pmil

What skeleton scene?

A cut scene from the shining - YouTube

*not cut from the US version.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by pmil

What skeleton scene?

Towards the end when Jack is walking through the bar. The dining area filled with skeletons and webs

[AlexIlDottore]

Originally Posted by Impossible

That's easy, the shorter version x

No it's not. Both versions have their benefits.

[Dragon Ranger]

Originally Posted by Impossible

That's easy, the shorter version x

I'm with you on this; the European version is my preferred cut of the movie (I believe it was kubrick's too? Though I could be wrong). It just feels like it has a better sense of pace and rhythm; the US cut is a tiny bit too laboured for my liking. Still least fans can easily watch either version so we should all be happy about that.

[pmil]

Originally Posted by Axl Rose

A cut scene from the shining - YouTube

*not cut from the US version.

How weird; I forgot that.