Black Panther 4K UHD (2018)

[dyoung18]

So I watched this on two different displays, one in HDR-10 and the other in Dolby Vision, and I noticed, especially in the beginning scenes, the blacks were extremely crushed. There was no near black detail at all. I had to crank up the brightness to get some of that back but it was not much. When Disney mastered this, it seems like they took out all the mid tones and crushed the blacks. I could barely make out characters in the beginning like in the jungle and the apartment scene. When I put in the regular Blu-ray, all the mid tones and near black detail was back just like in the theater. Audio was okay. It was mastered way too low even for regular TV speakers. Is this a problem others are seeing or is it just me? The displays were 55" LG OLED C7 and a 55" Sony x900E.

[VonMagnum]

Originally Posted by jh901

The surround sound in my modest theater, with no EQ, no room correction software, and modest speakers would change everything you presumably believe that you know about sound quality. You should probably read more and type less.

Wow, I didn't know I was talking to the mastering engineer at Walt Disney. I clearly have YOU to thank with your 'modest' system.

Frankly, I have to wonder about people who spend several thousand dollars on amplification, but less than $1000 on speakers. There's something called diminishing returns and clean power can be had for far less. I put my money into the speakers and custom crossover networks on my two-channel system and STILL have 550 watts per channel running into it each speaker.

I know what my systems can do. My OTHER systems (audiophile system and home studio, neither for home theater) would probably impress you a lot more, but I don't care what you think. I use PSB in the home theater because their frequency response is +/- 1dB. That's a good starting point regardless of room response.

I also know I've been doing audio since 1995, hold two degrees in Electronic Engineering, recorded and mastered my own albums (similar to Pink Floyd in quality), have my own studio, play multiple instruments including guitar, piano, drums and saxophone and get tired of people posing on the Internet.

You lack the gear or the experience to have a valuable opinion. Fact.

Wow. That's a bold statement to make about someone else's system even if it's not mine.

The bottom line here is that Disney is doing something different than every other studio and it isn't to our benefit. They are going to ruin meaningful films if something doesn't change quick.

Disney is FAR from the only studio to ever put out a poor movie soundtrack. I've got loads of "mediocre" soundtracks. The difference is people don't complain that the soundtrack to Grumpy Old Men isn't all that great. They expect a bit more from action movies, particularly Marvel blockbusters.

[BobbyMcGee]

Sampled the first 30 minutes or so of the film and I agree with the sound being disappointing. It wasn't horrible, just very subdued.

Also, I agree with the opening scenes (apartment and jungle) being quite dark.

Going to give it a full watch tomorrow evening.

[IXOYE1989]

This whole audio issue that many people have brought up...how far does it go back release wise? Is it all Disney blu-rays since they were released? Or just certain Marvel titles? Or mostly the recent 4K titles?

[buckeye1]

I know i only got this Tuesday but with all the AQ debates I'm not sure if I should open it and see and hear it for myself. Would I be a fool to return it? No 4K TV here as of yet so I can't watch this in 4K.

[HBAngel]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but there was talk in The Last Jedi thread (pg 133) that part of the audio problem may be a flag on the disc that enables the dynamic range compression function. Going into Surround Parameters and toggling this setting from Auto to Off has been cited as a partial solution. I tried this on Last Jedi and it seemed to help. Not sure if it works the same with Black Panther.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post14884079

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Does the 3D have a different audio track as the 4K?

As far as I can tell, Disney has neutered the mix in every variation. And I think we as consumers totally have a right to call out Disney on their bs. They claim the film has Dolby Atmos, but it isn’t exactly what people expect an Atmos track to be, being designed for a limited set-up (7.1.4... I think, the menu tells you) and having a subdued dynamic range.

Ten years, I had no doubt that Disney was giving us the same audio track as what we heard in theaters. Now I’m pretty sure we’re getting something designed to accommodate whoever called Disney and told them their Blue Rays DVDs were too dang loud!

Good question. I assume that the 3D track will be DTS MA or whatever Dolby equivalent. You might be right though. Hmmm. I’m still leaning towards the 3D version anyways though since this film appears to be a good candidate for 3D enjoyment. I’ll have to check th disc details but amazon many times has those wrong on their site.

Originally Posted by dyoung18

So I watched this on two different displays, one in HDR-10 and the other in Dolby Vision, and I noticed, especially in the beginning scenes, the blacks were extremely crushed. There was no near black detail at all. I had to crank up the brightness to get some of that back but it was not much. When Disney mastered this, it seems like they took out all the mid tones and crushed the blacks. I could barely make out characters in the beginning like in the jungle and the apartment scene. When I put in the regular Blu-ray, all the mid tones and near black detail was back just like in the theater. Audio was okay. It was mastered way too low even for regular TV speakers. Is this a problem others are seeing or is it just me? The displays were 55" LG OLED C7 and a 55" Sony x900E.

Crushed blacks on two different TVs? What are your settings for th OLED? Curious.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Crushed blacks on two different TVs? What are your settings for th OLED? Curious.

Dolby Vision Dark Room mode, default settings

[Sithlord75]

Originally Posted by IXOYE1989

This whole audio issue that many people have brought up...how far does it go back release wise? Is it all Disney blu-rays since they were released? Or just certain Marvel titles? Or mostly the recent 4K titles?

It started with the Avengers Age Of Ultron. I watched it again recently in 3D & had to crank the volume right up, plus it is seriously lacking for a big summer blockbuster.

Everything from then onwards to be honest has sounded a bit poor to my ears, all 3 disney released Star Wars' are not a patch on any of the 6 from the saga boxset. Really is getting a joke as their previous titles sounded great, especially Pixars stuff.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Dolby Vision Dark Room mode, default settings

That might be the issue. Try Dolby Vision Bright and see what you think. There are also other possible tweaks. Bump up the broghtness by a click or two.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

That might be the issue. Try Dolby Vision Bright and see what you think. There are also other possible tweaks. Bump up the broghtness by a click or two.

Been there, done that. It has nothing to do with settings.

[South Park]

Originally Posted by IXOYE1989

This whole audio issue that many people have brought up...how far does it go back release wise? Is it all Disney blu-rays since they were released? Or just certain Marvel titles? Or mostly the recent 4K titles?

Unfortunately you'll hear the weak, low dynamic audio on all Disney UHD releases to date including Star Wars The Last Jedi

[jh901]

Originally Posted by South Park

Unfortunately you'll hear the weak, low dynamic audio on all Disney UHD releases to date including Star Wars The Last Jedi

Indeed. So, let's start making noise.

No way we can let them ruin Iron Man and the like.

Originally Posted by VonMagnum

Wow, I didn't know I was talking to the mastering engineer at Walt Disney. I clearly have YOU to thank with your 'modest' system.

Frankly, I have to wonder about people who spend several thousand dollars on amplification, but less than $1000 on speakers. There's something called diminishing returns and clean power can be had for far less. I put my money into the speakers and custom crossover networks on my two-channel system and STILL have 550 watts per channel running into it each speaker.

Interesting. Frankly, you lack a basic understanding of the importance of proper delta sigma D/A conversion and subsequent linestage preamplification. If all the damage has been done to all 7.1 channels, then power amp and speakers won't fix it. Further, why should anyone care what you think about "diminishing returns"?

The proof is in the listening. There's no substitute for audiophile electronics.

Originally Posted by VonMagnum

Disney is FAR from the only studio to ever put out a poor movie soundtrack.

You are trying so hard to create whatever logic fallacy you can come up with.

Not going to change the reality that Disney home video has a problem.

[avs commenter]

I think it's just that one scene. It is way too dark. But the rest of the movie looks really good without any issues.

[VonMagnum]

Originally Posted by jh901

Interesting. Frankly, you lack a basic understanding of the importance of proper delta sigma D/A conversion and subsequent linestage preamplification. If all the damage has been done to all 7.1 channels, then power amp and speakers won't fix it. Further, why should anyone care what you think about "diminishing returns"?

Wow. It's pretty obvious you don't know a anything about audio. You should educate yourself with something other than StereoPhool magazine because it's obvious you buy into their BS nonsense. These are the same people that thought painting the edge of CDs with an overpriced green marker made them sound better. They'll say anything to sell an advertising buck. Sadly, this has perpetuated numerous "audiophile" myths that have no bearing in science or reality.

Having quality speakers and room response with clean power is the only way to proper uncolored sound production. It's not about fixing Disney's soundtrack for God's sake. It's about ensuring you're actually hearing what's on the signal and not some colored version. Most high end amplifiers are fine, just overpriced by leaps and bounds for what they do and what is audible. Most people would do for better to put a limited budget where it counts, not listen to lousy speakers with overpriced amps. But then most so called audiophiles speak with their fingers in their ears so talking to them is a waste of time. You are clearly full of yourself rather than knowledge so I won't waste anymore of my time or yours.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by VonMagnum

You are clearly full of yourself rather than knowledge so I won't waste anymore of my time or yours.

Yamaha receiver.

I'll wager a great deal that Cary+NAD will sound so different than what you imagine. Not even close. It's a shame that you have it all figured out. All those years of doing it wrong.

Finally, Disney is not delivering a proper product.

[BigBlue10989]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

I don’t think people were impressed by Killmonger because he was BP’s cousin trying to usurp the throne, yeah that’s been done before. I think it had a lot more to do with the fact that his master plan was basically “kill whitey” and he was in a Disney movie.

If that's all you took from Killmonger than this movie went way over your head.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by BigBlue10989

If that's all you took from Killmonger than this movie went way over your head.

Agree. More depth to Killmonger and even Black Panther knew he was not simply dealing with just another villain

[StingingVelvet]

I was extremely disappointed with this disc in all aspects.

For video I thought it was a sloppy mess. The movie looks way too CGI-y for most of its run-time; specifically it has that Hobbit feel where they built a tiny fraction of a set (like the waterfall pool) and then surrounded it with green and called it a day. I hate that look. I also thought it looked soft overall, and the UHD specifically often looks too dark and dim for my taste. The colors are AMAZING though, agreed with the reviews on that, but everything else had me shrugging my shoulders. Reminded me of the last Tarzan movie, a movie all about Africa where they seemingly never f**king went to Africa for anything but aerial shots and filmed the rest on greenscreen sets in a warehouse.

The audio was TOTALLY FLAT. I use good quality headphones so take my opinion for what it is, but I thought discs like Thor 3's were a little lacking and Black Panther was SUPER LACKING. My wife was watching with me using the TV speakers and she turned them to 100, I kid you not. I don't think those speakers have been above 55 before. Also I loved the end credits song so much I bought the MP3 later last night and when listening to that on the same headphones via my PC the difference was MASSIVE. Totally borked audio here.

Lastly I thought the movie was only okay. Perhaps because I didn't like the look of it as much as others, and also thought too much of the CGI action was meh, but it just didn't grab me like so many others. I did love the themes and African designs, that was cool stuff, but the actual direction and movie itself... eh, it'd be pretty low on my Marvel ranking as of this first watch. We'll see how further watches improve it though.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Reminded me of the last Tarzan movie, a movie all about Africa where they seemingly never f**king went to Africa for anything but aerial shots and filmed the rest on greenscreen sets in a warehouse.


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I thought the 'magic' of movie-making was just that: being able to see and explore remote places without ever really setting foot in those remote places