The Matrix 4K UHD (1999)

[Pgcmoore]

jel,




1 more day!!!

[SynViks]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

Don’t know if this is relevant to the topic or not.

The thing with Dolby Vision is that the colorist does the HDR grade, and then does another pass using Dolby Vision tools that will adjust the HDR grade to SDR. The SDR grade is used to help Dolby Vision figure out how best to adjust the HDR grade to displays of more limited range than the grading display.

In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if films graded in Dolby Vision had the SDR grade rendered out for use in these Blu-Ray discs as that would save time and money for the studio.

[Khronikos]

Originally Posted by SynViks

People moan and groan about the lack of a new scan, or the lack of input by the original director or DP, complain about a non atmos sound mix, or not having Dolby Vision, and yet when those thing are available with an A+ presentation, people don't want to pay for it.

Presumably they don't want to pay for it because the bluray here looks like shit. I don't even have a 4K set, and I will still probably get this with a slip, but that bluray is ****ing hideous.

It seems like the UHD is good or at least much better though, so those people should be fine with the film. I have no real reason to watch this bluray. It looks completely awful in so many scenes.

[Khronikos]

Originally Posted by pawel86ck

Before you were refering to this particular lobby screenshot (you have even quoted it), so I wanted to show you black level and shadow details arnt as bad as you trying to tell (I have just added stronger green tint, no additional brightness and contrast tweaks), because the end result looks similar, and there's only a little increase in contrast and brightness levels between first BD and remastered.

Scene with Oracle
https://static.afbeeldinguploaden.nl...6/5iV6SH5f.jpg
https://s9.postimg.cc/ftjjwr08t/image.jpg
Again shadow details difference is there, but it's subtle.

Remastered BD is way too bright in some scenes, no doubts about it, but it looks to me like these are outdoor scenes mostly.
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...28&position=16
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...28&position=30
UHD reviews are good, and even camera photos clearly suggest UHD disc is much darker, so I think you should be happy anyway

That shot with the lady looks stunningly horrible lol. Not only does it look like it has DNR, the ****ing red dress is some kind of hot pink LOL.

Yeah, NO THANKS.

We presume the UHD actually looks much better and more refined in all areas. But the BD is just not doing it for me.

[SplitScreen]

Mine's out for delivery as I speak.

[Scorsese]

Originally Posted by SplitScreen

Mine's out for delivery as I speak.

Same, got a DV player and Gladiator coming too. Today will be a good day

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Optimus

Got my copy

Got mine and I wish it had that under the slip in the UK

[Geoff D]

UK version has arrived. 100GB disc, for those keeping score.

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Alan Clarke

Any reviews for this yet?

Plenty.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

UK version has arrived. 100GB disc, for those keeping score.

Counting the rings for us all.
For science!

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

UK version has arrived. 100GB disc, for those keeping score.

Bonus disc should be BD-25, please confirm.

[Fat Phil]

Those f***heads at amazon UK have slashed the spine of my slipcover with a boxcutter. Ordinarily, I wouldn't care, but that slipcover is the only thing keeping me from the derpy rabbit. A slipcover has never been so essential. It's going back for a replacement that's for damn sure.

[Sky_Captain]

Mine isn't even out for delivery yet.

[minister_x]

Nice to see Warner UK making a nice slipcover for this one too - with a shiny silver for the "4K Ultra HD + Blu-ray + Digital Download" banner, rather than the usual white glossy cardboard. Much easier to sell a physical package as a premium product if it looks like a premium product (and yes I'm aware how good the transfer itself is the most important thing, but if it looks cheap I would wager many people will expect it to be cheap).

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Bonus disc should be BD-25, please confirm.

It is indeed BD-25.

[Dave_6]

Hope Best Buy has a few copies of this tomorrow. The one from Amazon wasn't going to arrive until Friday so I cancelled it.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Mine isn't even out for delivery yet.

My hmv had 2 copies, and the only JP they had was World weirdly.

[tsmith675]

I hadn’t even noticed the price until I see all these posts about it. I was 100% planning on buying it without even looking. $31.99 is pretty steep though. If I see it in store tomorrow, I probably won’t be able to stop myself. But otherwise I might just wait until a price drop. This is probably my most anticipated UHD so far, so I’m really wrestling with the decision

[BMox81]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Bonus disc should be BD-25, please confirm.

[Geoff D]

Warners, take a bow. This looks FANTASTIC. And given all the chidings that some people have handed out recently regarding our quest for the holy Sony grain, it's more than a little ironic that the grain on this UHD is palpably intense, more so than on any Warners UHD catalogue do-over I've yet seen. Terrific detail but, as I've said repeatedly lately, it naturally takes a hit whenever an optical like a dissolve or a fade is cut in, and several shots of Morpheus where they originally digitally replaced the reflections in his sunglasses look very soft too, along with a few other shots here and there. But by and large it's stunning.

As for the colour the Matrix is still VERY green, make no mistake, it's just not the suffocating tone of the previous 2003 revision that takes skin tones along with it. This grading has been delivered with FAR more nuance and something I like about it is that it still has a bit of unpredictability, i.e. colour and density doesn't track exactly the same from cut to cut in any given scene which gives it more of a photochemical feeling rather than a clinical digital grade that's been painstakingly lined up for maximum consistency. Blacks might look deep to the point of crush in one shot only to look a fair bit lighter in the next, but it's all good fun.

HDR is solid, I don't feel qualified in delivering a definitive "review" verdict because this disc has been mastered with Dolby Vision and, in an unusual move from Warners, the HDR10 base layer has not been mastered to 4000 max/0.005 min but the 1000/0.0002 that we've seen on Disney and Paramount discs recently (which would indicate a shift to those same mastering packages, whatever they may be). So I'm literally not getting the whole picture in HDR10 but the HDR is still very pleasing, with a hefty amount of pop to things like the hover pads of the Neb or the electro-shock thingy that Cypher uses to kill Dozer. And when we first enter the Construct that sucker is BRIGHT. I'm not sure that this HDR10 pass is revealing a great deal of highlight information over the previous versions - what andreas would likely call "fake" HDR - but then whatever extra range could be on there might've been reserved for the DV layer.

That said, the highlights are ridiculously blown out on the new SDR Blu-ray. The grain looks noisier and dupier too, with softer detail and the colour is more one-note. In a funny way the BD is almost like looking at a print at times (not THE original prints, but a print) whereas the UHD is its own animal. If this is what having a Dolby derived SDR version looks like then alls I can say is that someone was asleep at the wheel.

So, yeah. The movie itself is still a magnificent piece of work, expertly balancing the philosophy with the action (unlike its stodgy successors) and while the bullet time stuff does have an undeniable cheese factor to it, it was still mucho gimmicky back then as the REAL star of the show is the other action scenes. Watching Neo and Morpheus go kung fu fighting still dazzles me to this day because you just don't get that kind of investment in fight scenes in Hollywood action movies any more, and Morph vs Smith in the bathroom is AWESOME because it's such a brutal, confined little skirmish. And when Neo wrangles the helicopter on the roof to rescue Trinity I got chills as it's such an expertly orchestrated piece of action mayhem. Just...wow. When the movie finished I felt like Steve Coppell after Ian Wright scored in the cup final against Utd in 1990. Skip to 2:25.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY6Z...utu.be&t=2m25s

Oh, funny anecdote: I actually dusted off my AVR and watched this in surround, it wasn't until the kung fu training scene that I realised my subwoofer wasn't on, I'd flipped the power switch to on but the plug at the wall had been dislodged so it wasn't actually on for almost the first hour of the movie and I didn't notice

[imsounoriginal]

So no weird noise/filtering/compression stuff like on the Blade Runner movies? Was worried WB might mess up something on that front.