Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

WHAT?

On what uncalibrated TV are you watching your UHDs? There's no pink-magenta tint on the 4K remaster.

It's pretty obvious from the screenshots isn't it?

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

WHAAAAAAAT???

It was 3D master with its DNRd to death, teal & orange grading that looked like a digitally shot movie and it was AWFUL

Jurassic Park NEVER looked like this.

I was talking about the colour grading not DNR!

So you know better than those involved with the production of the film??? When colour grading the 3D version, StereoD's William Sherak said in an interview that they corrected the 2013 version to "match" the original projected prints. It is highly likely that these guys had projectionists who knew how to properly run the prints, wouldn't you say?
Do you claim to have better knowledge about these things? Can you claim that everything they said was a lie?
Sure they could've gone slightly overboard with the orange but THE PRINTS WERE WARM!
There is a lot of evidence. It's just that you guys hold the DVD and 2D Blu-ray as being a sacred point of reference. So, any version that looks different and close to the original warm teal, golden brown timing, you'll cry "REVISIONIST!"

[AVfile]

Originally Posted by Lt_Cobretti

Wait, so they completely neglected the newer master they had done only a few years ago to go back to their old one? Son of a ***** I really liked what that transfer was going for, if it had less DNR and a little more nuance to the colours it would have been great.

It looks like the old master with gamma darkened to me, which even in 2011 was called "old"! If there was a new scan there would have been a lot more fanfare.

[jonboy71]

Has anyone been able to activate the Fandango code for $15? I keep getting "invalid code" errors.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's excellent, I can imagine them having a great big Mickey face on one of the buttons

Big Mickey is what Minnie calls him behind closed doors.

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I absolutely agree with the grain having been fudged with but you lost me at "HDR being virtually imperceptible" as there's some notable highlight retention vs the SDR BD throughout the film and a MaxCLL of 910 nits would indicate some decently bright peaks too, nothing special but hardly "imperceptible".

The MaxFALL however is only 101 nits so the average brightness of each scene isn't especially high and may be dimmer than the SDR in some spots, and here's the kicker: the more aggressive the tone mapping is on x display then the more the APL is only going to get dimmer and dimmer and dimmer...which ties in neatly with other users' issues around JP1 looking too dark as well.

I'll say the same thing to you as I say to everyone else who exclaims "I've got loads of HDR discs and this has never happened before!": it's HDR, so shit happens. I'm not saying that you're misrepresenting what you're seeing, what I'm saying is that your display might not be doing it any favours so it's not about others being "more forgiving", it's about others having a fundamentally different experience of the HDR & colour that this disc is putting out.

To be clear, I don’t think this disc looks “wrong,” just bad. I personally do not like what they did at all. It never looks too dim or anything, just kind of limp and lifeless. Yes, occasional highlights definitely reveal that I’m watching HDR, and of course it’s an improvement over the BD, but relative to other HDR presentations I’ve seen, this is weak as hell. Totally flat and dull. It’s frustrating because of how much better I know it could look.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by AVfile

It looks like the old master with gamma darkened to me, which even in 2011 was called "old"! If there was a new scan there would have been a lot more fanfare.

Funny how they've removed the positive density artefacts from the 2011 transfer but added plenty of negative density ones in the process that weren't visible on the BD. The new JP is also vastly more stable than the old transfer, if the UHD was simply the old one stabilised then it would lose picture area in comparison.

The likelier explanation is that they ARE different transfers from different elements, one from positive and one from negative (ditto for Lost World). That it doesn't look like an amazing Sony-style upgrade is because it's NOT some amazing Sony-style upgrade and has had some significant grain management applied. Can't win 'em all.

I can't wait for more Lost World caps to appear though, those grabs of the heavily in-camera filtered shots of Malcolm and Hammond at the beginning are not definitive examples of what that UHD can and does look like. Unfortunately JPIII has been "managed" just like JP1.

[Mr. Forest]

Holy cow, JW looks fantastic! JP and TLW were noticeable upgrades from the Blu-ray releases, but they had some noticeable shortcomings. So far I have no issues with JW.

JP3 is easily the weakest disc of the set, but it’s fine. Inreally didn’t expect Universal would focus too much on that movie anyways.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Funny how they've removed the positive density artefacts from the 2011 transfer but added plenty of negative density ones in the process that weren't visible on the BD. The likelier explanation is that they ARE different transfers from different elements, one from positive and one from negative (ditto for Lost World). That it doesn't look like an amazing Sony-style upgrade is because it's NOT some amazing Sony-style upgrade and has had some significant grain management applied.

It's exactly that.
They cannot all Sony.

[s_har]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

So you know better than those involved with the production of the film??? When colour grading the 3D version, StereD's William Sherak said in an interview that they corrected the 2013 version based to "match" the original projected prints. It is highly likely that these guys had projectionists who knew how to properly run the prints, wouldn't you say?
Do you claim to have a superior knowledge? Can you claim that everything they said was a lie?
Sure they could've gone slightly overboard with the orange but THE PRINTS WERE WARM!
There is a lot of evidence. It's just that you guys hold the DVD and 2D Blu-ray as being a sacred point of reference. So, any version that looks different and close to the original warm teal, golden brown, you'll cry "REVISIONIST!"

So the DVD release also has wrong colors then? I haven't watched that disc in years so can't remember what it looks like, but all this talk about the original colors makes me wanna dig up my old VHS copy just to check out how its colors looks in comparison to recent releases.

I wonder what's the general opinion of the colors in the VHS version? More accurate to the theatrical presentation or not?

[gates70]

As far as extras go, is it safe to get rid of the BD collection without losing anything ?

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

It's exactly that.
They cannot all Sony.

But they can! That’s what gets me, and it’s why I’m so hard on half-assed transfers like these. They CAN all be Sony, but they’re not. There’s no excuse!

[s_har]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

They cannot all Sony.

I do try my best though. Got a Sony TV, Sony UHD player, Sony soundbar, Sony headphones, Sony smartphone, Sony Playstation, Sony CD player, etc, etc.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

To be clear, I don’t think this disc looks “wrong,” just bad.

I personally do not like what they did at all.

kind of limp and lifeless.

relative to other HDR presentations I’ve seen, this is weak as hell.

Totally flat and dull.

I've clearly failed in my effort to implement a proper screening room. Or else I simply have poor taste in image quality. I never once felt these sentiments during JP1.

I might have to watch the sequel sooner than later. Perhaps that experience will help.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

But they can! That’s what gets me, and it’s why I’m so hard on half-assed transfers like these. They CAN all be Sony, but they’re not. There’s no excuse!

[MisterXDTV]

I don't get why people are trying to give Universal a pass for another disappointing Jurassic Park release....

This look would have been fine for the Blu-ray 7 years ago, not for a UHD disc from a 4K OCN master

People have complained about the 2011 colors for 7 years, now they are good, all of a sudden?

If it doesn't look like a Sony title, the reason is simple:

Universal is the worst studio for catalog transfers (unless Mr. Spielberg takes the matter in his own hands)

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by Doff Hat

So to catch up with this JP1 release:

What's the most accurate or max image framing there has been on home video now - is it the laserdisc? I heard the 3D Blu-ray was close, but due to the process of post 3D converting, some cropping was necessary.

Was the UHD from a new 4K scan or was it the pre-DNR (grain managed) 4K source used for the 3D BD?

Which is closest to the original colour timing? Is that the laserdisc? From what I'm reading here, the 3D BD is closer to the warmth but used orange and teal tricks to cheat, and the UHD has (some of) the horrible pink problems of the 2011 BD. I didn't much like that 2011 BD - the later opening shot of blue water, blue helicopter, and fly up/over island all had a faded and off-looking colour to me. It is good to note though, that in the 2011 BD comparison, Geoff D mentions the green grass is not neon looking now in the UHD.

From what I'm reading here, those who like the UHD BD, are finding it filmic mostly because of the modest HDR, enough uptick in detail, and at least has more grain than the 3D BD?

The full horizontal framing present in the negative and IP was only available on the widescreen laserdisc as far as I've seen. The THX widescreen VHS may have had the same framing. From then on, each home video becomes progressively tighter, with the 3D Blu-ray cutting off heads of dinosaurs. The UHD has less height than the 2D BD but might only be a tiny bit bigger than the 3D framing.

The colours of none of the home videos were accurate. But the 3D Blu-ray at least tried. If you watch the 3D Blu-ray with a less warm kelvin on your TV then you'll more or less get a grading that resembles the original golden-brown, green-yellow and teal timing of the original prints.
The UHD sh**s on that by going back to the 2011 BD as "reference."

As opposed to popular belief, grain is not the only thing that separates the filmic look from the modern digitally graded look. Photochemical colours printed on a lab is an inherent part of that film look. Those colours can only be loosely approximated but can never be recreated. This is because physical colour material after drying, reacts differently with light than digital colour. In 2013, the DI colour space, as far as I heard, wasn't fully capable of resolving all the various shades of petrochemical colours.

However, The Mummy's brilliant UHD grade, thanks to GeoffD's screenshots, had me hopeful! But what I saw here, has dashed all those hopes. Only JP2 looks proper "filmic" despite showing telltale signs of DNR. JP2 got the colours close to the prints.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

It's pretty obvious from the screenshots isn't it?

Screenshots are not in HDR and wide color gamut. I've seen the pinkish Blu-ray, and I've seen 4K HDR version which doesn't have any weird tint.

I was talking about the colour grading not DNR!

Then explain to me since when color grading says something was shot on digital or film? It's a matter of creeator's intention done in post and has nothing to do with shooting method.

So you know better than those involved with the production of the film???

So you know better than Steven Spielberg how his movie suppose to look?

Sure they could've gone slightly overboard with the orange but THE PRINTS WERE WARM!

I believe prints were warmer than UHD version, but the problem with 3D version is not that it's warm, but completely overdone with warmness, teal and orange to the point it doesn't fit the movie at all.

So, any version that looks different and close to the original warm teal, golden brown, you'll cry "REVISIONIST!"

You clearly mistook me for someone else. My judgement of remaster's color grading is based only about one thing: my own eyes. Does it look good? Does it fit the movie? Does it work?

When it comes to Jurassic Park's color grading, UHD version is in my opinion the best one. That's all.

[Geoff D]

I'm not giving them a "pass", just underlining how this UHD set has been handled: if anything it's MORE disappointing, given that they have - IMO - done new film transfers but still ended up with two out of three looking like overly "managed" masters from yesteryear. Oh, sweet irony.

[Agent Kay]

I don't think Speilbergo had anything to do with these discs TBF.

[Shimshuta]

Man I just finished JPIII, I can’t believe how soft it is. I had to eject it to make sure I had not put in the blu-ray. There was a minor uptick in detail in random scenes, but nothing like the first two. About to start JW now.