Those that use the word "neutral" - please read

[mikem471]

I guess all automobiles will have to re-word "neutral" to something else, since it doesn't really match up with any of the provided examples.

[marzetta7]

Good points OP. Regardless, I consider those who are "format-neutral" for a lack of a better term are simply format-saboteurs--as they aren't helping the format war situation, but rather are making general HD optical formats to stagnate rather than helping either platform. So, in essence, format-saboteurs. IMO, pick a side so that one or the other may flourish and so we can enjoy a universal format. Yes, I think it will definitely be Blu-ray.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Good points OP. Regardless, I consider those who are "format-neutral" for a lack of a better term are simply format-saboteurs--as they aren't helping the format war situation, but rather are making general HD optical formats to stagnate rather than helping either platform. So, in essence, format-saboteurs. IMO, pick a side so that one or the other may flourish and so we can enjoy a universal format. Yes, I think it will definitely be Blu-ray.

Good post

My whole point of this thread was to not say format "Neutral" was invald. I just wanted to point out a word that people are throwing around as if they are gods saving grace. They come into conversations say "oh, I am FORMAT NEUTRAL" pffft! Your not. Your nothing really. Format NEUTRAL means you don't support EITHER format.

So call it what you want - I was just making a little point

They should be called "I will buy anything".

[mikem471]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Format NEUTRAL means you don't support EITHER format.

Obviously that's wrong, if you purchase a movie for either format, you're SUPPORTING that format with your purchase. Just because it doesn't fit your agenda doesn't make it true.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by mikem471

Obviously that's wrong, if you purchase a movie for either format, you're SUPPORTING that format with your purchase. Just because it doesn't fit your agenda doesn't make it true.

No its not. Format Neutral = You buy NEITHER format and stay with DVD.

Buying BOTH formats means nothing more than you out to watch all the latest movies in HD. Nothing more. It means you have no allegiance to any one format.

Don't twist this around. Its clear cut. You want to argue with the definition. Talk to Webster.

[mikem471]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

No its not. Format Neutral = You buy NEITHER format and stay with DVD.

Buying BOTH formats means nothing more than you out to watch all the latest movies in HD. Nothing more. It means you have no allegiance to any one format.

Don't twist this around. Its clear cut. You want to argue with the definition. Talk to Webster.

Sorry buddy, you're the one doing the twisting, not to mention getting psycho with this whole "allegiance" deal. What's clear cut is when you make a purchase for either format, you support that format with your purchase. Argue that all you want, the truth hurts.

[bferr1]

Okay, so "neutral" isn't the right term. How about "nonpartisan"?

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/nonpartisan

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by mikem471

Sorry buddy, you're the one doing the twisting, not to mention getting psycho with this whole "allegiance" deal. What's clear cut is when you make a purchase for either format, you support that format with your purchase. Argue that all you want, the truth hurts.

He is talking about the word "neutral" and you are talking about something else it seems. You keep saying that if you buy movies of a given format then you are SUPPORTING that format. Well, supporting a format is not a neutral stance. That is his point. It isn't difficult... well not for normal people.

[FilmmakingFiasco]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Good points OP. Regardless, I consider those who are "format-neutral" for a lack of a better term are simply format-saboteurs--as they aren't helping the format war situation, but rather are making general HD optical formats to stagnate rather than helping either platform. So, in essence, format-saboteurs. IMO, pick a side so that one or the other may flourish and so we can enjoy a universal format. Yes, I think it will definitely be Blu-ray.

I think that too much blame is put on the consumer and not enough on both camps of the HD formats. There were several chances for Toshiba and Sony to work together and both were stubborn (understandable with R&D and investor support being what it is) and when one side decided to bend a little, the other wanted them to cave in completely.

The early adopter who decides to purchase both formats helps you the consumer more than you think. Early adopter sales help companies generate profit and push to lower prices for potential and future buyers. We are the ones who test the waters and show that there is a market for new products.

I bought an HD-DVD player because there was limited content in HD at the time. Instead of being careless and blindly supporting only blu-ray by buying many mediocre titles in one format, I've chosen to by several highly quality titles in each format.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by FilmmakingFiasco

I think that too much blame is put on the consumer and not enough on both camps of the HD formats. There were several chances for Toshiba and Sony to work together and both were stubborn (understandable with R&D and investor support being what it is) and when one side decided to bend a little, the other wanted them to cave in completely.

The early adopter who decides to purchase both formats helps you the consumer more than you think. Early adopter sales help companies generate profit and push to lower prices for potential and future buyers. We are the ones who test the waters and show that there is a market for new products.

I bought an HD-DVD player because there was limited content in HD at the time. Instead of being careless and blindly supporting only blu-ray by buying many mediocre titles in one format, I've chosen to by several highly quality titles in each format.

Nice try, but again another flawed reason. The reason the TWO companies did not work together or came to pass is due to money. It all comes down to money. If Toshiba were to go along with Sony, Sony would be raking in the cash and Toshiba would be paying Sony royalties and the like. Toshiba would still be making money, but not nearly as much if it were to have its OWN format.

Get it?

[BTBuck1]

You know, I own Both. However I consider myself a Blu-ray supporter and an HDDVD owner. I prefer Blu-ray in every way. And when given a choice I always opt for the Blu-version even when the audio is dumbed down in the past I.E, superman returns, Happy feet. I only have HDDVD because I am a movie lover FIRST, Blu-ray supporter second. If/When Universal switches to Blu, there will be no reason for me to continue buying HDDVD's unless ofcourse there is the rare occassion like with "Matrix" Shananagans.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

You know, I own Both. However I consider myself a Blu-ray supporter and an HDDVD owner. I prefer Blu-ray in every way. And when given a choice I always opt for the Blu-version even when the audio is dumbed down in the past I.E, superman returns, Happy feet. I only have HDDVD because I am a movie lover FIRST, Blu-ray supporter second. If/When Universal switches to Blu, there will be no reason for me to continue buying HDDVD's unless warner ofcourse continues on with "Matrix-like" Shananagans.

Thank you. Very nice post A person that does NOT use "format neutral". Lol.

[Mr.Neutral]

Who cares what term is used. Neutral is at least close. I'm Neutral in the sense that I don't care who wins. And I'm MR. Neutral because I can sit back and see both sides and discuss them both equally regardless of the topic.

If you are so concerned with how people are using words, maybe you should take up a thread on the use of the word FUD. It means Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. And its used in many cases just to describe incorrect statements.

[FilmmakingFiasco]

I thought I was clear enough mentioning monetary interests of R&D and investments but you're also right,royalties do play a part in it. I'm just saying that you have people in the BD camp that blame Toshiba for this whole mess and on the other side there are many willing to chuck rocks at Sony just for being Sony (there's an old saying, 'It's lonely at the top') Both companies tried to get together several times but in the end, Sony pushed for Toshiba to drop things all together and join Blu-ray. That is not compromise, it's an 'all or nothing approach'. Am I saying that Sony was wrong? They do have a better technology but some of the things that the two were fighting over dealt with such things as the data layer on the disc.

What I am saying is that it's not fair to consumers to be given a choice and then wholly criticized for being able to make free choices. We can't put blame solely on one camp and it's equally unfair to scapegoat consumers for studios unwillingness to work things out.

[KenThompson]

You know it was the other way around when dvd came out and Toshiba was racking in the cash and Sony was getting little. This is not Sony's fault. Toshiba is just a money grabbing company just like any other company. Why settle for peanuts when you can have caviar.

[scott87]

i don't think you can be neutral you like one or the other, like you like one ice cream flavor better then the other!you like your mum better then your dad lol get what im saying?

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by mikem471

I guess all automobiles will have to re-word "neutral" to something else, since it doesn't really match up with any of the provided examples.

Wrong, it matches definition #2 perfectly. The "neutral" gear in a car has no bias toward forward acceleration or reverse accleration and takes part in neither. The neutral gear is perfectly neutral. A movie buyer who owns both BD and HD-DVD may has no bias but clearly actively partakes in both.

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

A movie buyer who owns both BD and HD-DVD may has no bias but clearly actively partakes in both.

Everyone has some bias, its just human nature. Except for me though - I'm MR. NEUTRAL!

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

Everyone has some bias, its just human nature. Except for me though - I'm MR. NEUTRAL!

When talking about the semantics of the definition but that's for the input.

And you were right the first time, everyone has some bias. The people who are the most annoying are those who try to deny it.

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

Everyone has some bias, its just human nature. Except for me though - I'm MR. NEUTRAL!

You're right everyone is bias.

Anyone who says they're neutral, here's a question for you.
How many Blu-ray do you have?
How many HD-DVD do you have?

If the answer is equal than you're Neutral, if the number is greater in one of theses than you're bias towards that one.