The Matrix 4K UHD (1999)

[aetherhole]

There are occasions that I do appreciate having a pop-up menu accessible. It's not a full interruption of the movie itself as opposed to a main menu is. The Oppo 203 has the ability to change the audio on the fly (usually), but it doesn't tell you the exact details sometimes, so it's nice to see the exact details in the disc's audio track selection menu.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by koberulz

I don't think anyone sits there fiddling with the pop-up menu just for something to do, but sometimes you can't quite catch a line and want subtitles, or you realise you're listening to the wrong audio track, or the credits are rolling and you want to jump straight into the special features.

The Oppo 203 handles subtitles so I don't have to go the disc's menus for that. I make a point to sort out the audio before I start the movie so that there are no distractions and no extra remotes (long story). There aren't any special features on a 4k UHD so that's a non-issue. at least not any that I care about particularly. I don't use the disc's menus much outside of starting a movie (when I need to). That is very odd and I just noticed that odd quirk today discussing menus.

[VonMagnum]

Originally Posted by jh901

Are you serious?




You don't remember a single thing about the image from the theater. Not a thing.

You probably weren't even born. You sound like a flipping Millennial.

Is this a serious post or is it a satire or parody? When is this "back then" with respect to DNR?

If you prefer DVD over this 4K release, then your 4K display is due for a major upgrade.

You must REALLY enjoy mountains of grain. The outside shots weren't unwatchable, but the inside shots were abominations of grain. Unwatchable. I had to shut it off. God awful. 2018 QLED.

Finally, no member of this site should be calling for "mildly degrain". No one.

WTF are YOU to tell anyone else what to think????? My god.....

The sheer arrogance of some children never ceases to amaze me.

[guachi]

I can't tell if you're a intentionally a troll or just one by your nature. But you come across as someone who has no idea what he's talking about mixed up with a complete lack of reading comprehension combined with a massive dollop of condescension.

There is no way you can remember what Ghostbusters looked like in the theater 34 years ago. In any event, I'll explain using small words since you didn't comprehend the first time. Ghostbusters has lots of grain because the film used was grainy high-speed film.

If you don't like grain I'm sure your TV has some kind of DNR function you can crank up.

For the rest of you, how do I block someone since Von Magnum is a waste of my time (and your time)?

[SurroundSensei]

The review states that the Atmos mix "is not the kind of controversial remix that adds new effects or attempts to alter the dimensions of the sonic field with which fans have lived for the past nineteen years". Are there any Atmos mixes that are actually guilty of that?

[Cherokee Jack]

[VonMagnum]

Originally Posted by guachi

I can't tell if you're a intentionally a troll or just one by your nature.

I'm a troll? What does that make you? Blind is a good word for starters. You can't see the most grain of any movie in the history of time???? My god.... It's farking blatant!!!!!! Grain grain grain. Enjoy a 2nd helping of grain and then a third. As much lower resolution the old DVD is, I wasn't staring at mountains of grain. Actually, the old iTunes version (stored here) wasn't anywhere near the levels of grain here. It was watchable at least. Believe it or not, mild to medium DNR does not harm detail and grain has NOTHING to do with telling a story.

But you come across as someone who has no idea what he's talking about mixed up with a complete lack of reading comprehension combined with a massive dollop of condescension.

And you come across as a condescending [insert].

There is no way you can remember what Ghostbusters looked like in the theater 34 years ago.

I don't have to remember it exactly. My point is that if looked THIS bad, I would have walked out of the theater!!! Period! And this is on a small screen. Blow it up to a theater sized screen and it would look like the killer locust scene from some biblical Egyptian movie! It's awful and I normally don't mind film grain.

In any event, I'll explain using small words since you didn't comprehend the first time. Ghostbusters has lots of grain because the film used was grainy high-speed film.

That's what I suggested about Top Gun 3D. I was told nope that's no excuse. 3D should be degrained. Yeah I found Top Gun watchable. Not this.

For the rest of you, how do I block someone since Von Magnum is a waste of my time (and your time)?

Ditto, except I already know how. I'm tired of reading garbage from people who have no clue what they are talking about or what an opinion is.

[ROSS.T.G.]

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Grain on a film print being projected is a lot different than on a digital scan of a negative. Grain on a print is smoother and a lot more subtle due to being several generations removed from the source compared to grain on a negative which is much more refined due to being the source itself.

We're already far past the way films looked theatrically, essentially we're at the point where we're getting 1:1 reproductions of original negatives except with color timing and intended framing of course. For better or for worse.

[aetherhole]

Von, seriously... you come across very hostile, very defensive, not very friendly, and downright condescending.

The sheer arrogance of some children never ceases to amaze me.

You have no idea how old some of the people here are. To say so without, or even with, the knowledge of how old someone is, that is just straight condescension.

I'm not a moderator, but as a friendly suggestion, I think you ought to be a bit more cordial in your posts here. You'll find people reciprocate pretty quickly. Not everyone will always do so, but that's on them, right?

Regarding the topic of grain/de-graining:

This is my opinion, and the opinion of many here on the forums, in this day and age, de-graining should NOT be a thing. You kill fine detail in the process of removing the grain. If you prefer to have less grain, your TV should have setting to help with that. There are so many examples where the studios have destroyed what could've been a great image by applying too much DNR.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by guachi

For the rest of you, how do I block someone since Von Magnum is a waste of my time (and your time)?

To block someone, just visit their public profile by clicking on their member name and look for the little drop down menu titled "User Lists" beneath the large image on that profile page, if they have one, or under their forum name. Within that drop down list is the option to ignore that person.

I have never used this option, but it is good to know where it is located.

[HeightOfFolly]

Originally Posted by VonMagnum

Whatever the reason, Ghostbusters is the WORST looking 4K movie I've ever seen. The 2K remaster version looked like shit also. I don't remember it looking like shit at the theater. Not at all. Did they have DNR back then? In any case, I'd rather watch the DVD than that level of grain. They should have at least mildly degrained it. Awful. Just farking awful in 4K.

Grain should be more visible in 4K. If you don't like it, then what are you doing on a 4K forum?

[bbwiscfan]

Originally Posted by Vilya

To block someone, just visit their public profile by clicking on their member name and look for the little drop down menu titled "User Lists" beneath the large image on that profile page, if they have one, or under their forum name. Within that drop down list is the option to ignore that person.

I have never used this option, but it is good to know where it is located.

Problem is it doesn't work because if their posts are quoted, you see them anyway.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by bbwiscfan

Problem is it doesn't work because if their posts are quoted, you see them anyway.

Well, then I guess putting up with those members deemed to be objectionable will have to be a lesson in tolerance.

[bbwiscfan]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Well, then I guess putting up with those members deemed to be objectionable will have to be a lesson in tolerance.

I'm proud to say I haven't thrown my computer across the room yet lol.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

Grain on a film print being projected is a lot different than on a digital scan of a negative. Grain on a print is smoother and a lot more subtle due to being several generations removed from the source compared to grain on a negative which is much more refined due to being the source itself.

We're already far past the way films looked theatrically, essentially we're at the point where we're getting 1:1 reproductions of original negatives except with color timing and intended framing of course. For better or for worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgE-...ature=youtu.be

[hoodgyno]

I can't find this movie anywhere.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by hoodgyno

I can't find this movie anywhere.

Why don’t you order it on line? That why you’ll have it almost straight away compared to trying to find it in a store which could take forever.

[VonMagnum]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

Von, seriously... you come across very hostile, very defensive, not very friendly, and downright condescending.

Great. Have you SEEN how people respond to my comments and opinions? These are not friendly people. They show me zero respect for anything I say and you want me to be friendly with them? Saying I hate the amount of grain in Ghostbusters 4K should not result in people saying I don't remember a THING from the theater and NO ONE on here should ask for even mild grain reduction even if that is NOT what anyone saw in the theater!!! That's Bullshit!

YOU be friendly with that guy. The movie is unwatchable for me. You and others may enjoy swimming in grain, but too much is too much for some of us. There's a difference between a film and a movie. Grain doesn't exist in digital as such so someone asking me WHY I'm reading a 4K forum like this guy below is beyond absurd. Grain was one of the things that did NOT bother me with The Matrix 4K.

Ghostbusters has maybe 2-4x the grain and it doesn't blend well for some reason. It doesn't look much better in 2K either. The previous iTunes copy had far less grain. Go look in the Top Gun 3D thread. I'm the one defending the director there as most people HATE grain with 3D. I don't want a cartoon look to get rid of grain, but there's a point where it interferes with the enjoyment of the movie itself. That point probably varies by the individual, but not in this guy's mind. It's his way or the highway. That is childish behavior. Real adults learn to live with the fact everyone has different tastes and opinions.

You have no idea how old some of the people here are. To say so without, or even with, the knowledge of how old someone is, that is just straight condescension.

I'm referring to behavior not age. I've known 5 year olds with more maturity than some of the people on here. I also believe in treating people with the same respect they have shown me.

Regarding the topic of grain/de-graining:

This is my opinion, and the opinion of many here on the forums, in this day and age, de-graining should NOT be a thing. You kill fine detail in the process of removing the grain. If you prefer to have less grain, your TV should have setting to help with that. There are so many examples where the studios have destroyed what could've been a great image by applying too much DNR.

You can have your opinion. I'd normally agree. But Ghostbusters is awful to watch. There are some TV settings on SOME sets, but they're not remotely the same as even Handbrake's tools. I also find it strange that some of the grain defenders don't want ANY for a 3D conversion.

Originally Posted by HeightOfFolly

Grain should be more visible in 4K. If you don't like it, then what are you doing on a 4K forum?

See above. WTF does grain have to do with 4K??? Digital movies have none. Wonder Woman was 35mm film. Where is all its grain? Ghostbusters is in a league of its own. There may be more out there that bad with grain, but I have not seen them. The Matrix is fine in terms of grain. I have issues with the new blue colors used inside The Matrix scenes but not the grain.


Either way, grain is an anomaly. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the movie itself. If it could be removed without losing any detail, I'd say good riddance. It's like tape noise. It's an artifact of recording to tape. That noise did not exist in the real world and neither does film grain! It's a chemical error on the film and varies with film formulation, speed and exposure. Some levels of tape noise are tolerable on an album. Too much noise and you're listening to more noise than music!

Removing it might affect some low level detail, but with really top notch tools, it can be very minimal indeed. Removing at least enough so that it's enjoyable again makes sense to me. But that level is subjective and some will always take either extreme for various reasons. All or nothing doesn't work well in society. Look at the state of US politics.

[ROSS.T.G.]

It could be that you are very aggressive and take up entire pages with your thoughts like the one above. It’s almost like you’re trying to convince yourself with your notions. But hey, that’s what these threads are for so have at it. Just don’t be surprised if you alienate people while doing so