The Magnificent Seven (2016)

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

You must not be talking about Jurassic World...

Definitely, that was the most bored I've ever seen D'onofrio in a movie.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Denzel gets at least one of Brynner's lines (from what I can remember).

Don't forget "If God didn't want them to be sheared, he wouldn't have made them sheep."

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

Even putting aside the genre (which is a strange thing to completely dismiss), the "cowardly" gunfighter who redeems himself would stand out more to me than either of the things you mentioned, just for starters.

I'm not completely dismissing the genre. The 1960 film is a remake of Seven Samurai with a western setting. That's just a given. But there are so many more parallel scenes between those two films and anyone who is familiar with both films would know that. The Horst Buchholz character is an amalgamation of two characters from Seven Samurai (including Mifune's) and there are tons of scenes which reflect this, most notably the fact that he himself downplays his own background as a villager and the scene where he sounds the alarm and scolds the cowardly villagers. The scenes from Seven Samurai where they "ambush" prospective men to test them is touched upon briefly in the 1960 film. The concept of hiding female villagers away because they distrust the men they hired to protect them. There are so many others that I don't have time to catalogue them. Watching the 1960 film and Seven Samurai back to back, it can be fun picking out the similarities and interpretations. The 2016 film has very little of that and is clearly an in-name remake only, similar to the likes of the 2003 version of the Italian Job. Sure there a couple of things they retained in the 2016 film but if they had given it a completely different title, I'd have just thought it was a decent western with pays a little bit of homage to the Magnificent Seven.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

I'm not completely dismissing the genre. The 1960 film is a remake of Seven Samurai with a western setting. That's just a given.

I would say that when discussing the changes that were made from "The Seven Samurai" to "The Magnificent Seven" and comparing them with the changes that were made from "The Magnificent Seven" to "The Magnificent Seven", it is very silly to say that you can't use the genre change as an example because it's "a given". It's only a given because the original film did it and did it so well because it incorporated those changes into its DNA.

The Horst Buchholz character is an amalgamation

That's just a fancy word for change.

The scenes from Seven Samurai where they "ambush" prospective men to test them is touched upon briefly in the 1960 film.

But when the new one does the same lines and shots delivered by the same basic character archetypes, that's just "homaging"? Come on, now. Stop being silly.

The concept of hiding female villagers away because they distrust the men they hired to protect them.

I would agree that changing the setting from a "Mexican village" to a "stock western town" has a lot of ripples and would count as a big change, but I'd only count it as one change. But if you can write off the entire genre change as a given, I would definitely say that today's current political climate makes it an absolute given that they had to change the "Mexican village" aspect (though, honestly, I don't know whether the far left or the far right would be the first to complain).

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

I would say that when discussing the changes that were made from "The Seven Samurai" to "The Magnificent Seven" and comparing them with the changes that were made from "The Magnificent Seven" to "The Magnificent Seven", it is very silly to say that you can't use the genre change as an example because it's "a given". It's only a given because the original film did it and did it so well because it incorporated those changes into its DNA.

It's just a setting change. That was the gimmick of the 1960 film, taking the Seven Samurai and changing it to a western setting. The plotline of the 1960 film by and large matches Seven Samurai beat for beat. The 2016 film may share the western setting but the plot deviates much more significantly.

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

That's just a fancy word for change.

No, it's a fancy word for "combining". The Chico character combines elements of two characters from Seven Samurai, and in watching Seven Samurai you can see which elements they were (romancing the girl from the village being one, the background as a embittered former villager himself being the other).

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

But when the new one does the same lines and shots delivered by the same basic character archetypes, that's just "homaging"? Come on, now. Stop being silly.

I'm saying IF the title was changed and it wasn't trumpeted as a remake, then those similarities would be homage because they are much more loosely applied.

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

I would agree that changing the setting from a "Mexican village" to a "stock western town" has a lot of ripples and would count as a big change, but I'd only count it as one change. But if you can write off the entire genre change as a given, I would definitely say that today's current political climate makes it an absolute given that they had to change the "Mexican village" aspect (though, honestly, I don't know whether the far left or the far right would be the first to complain).

It's not the changing of a Mexican village to a town I'm talking about. Just so it's clear because you're not paying attention, the plotlines of the first two films are much more aligned as are the characterizations. If you are still unable to (a) recognize the nuances of the point I'm making, and (b) recollect the three films and apply what I'm saying, then you're just being purposefully obstinate.

[HDTVguy]

I am getting a loud pop when resuming playback of this blu-ray, after a pause, while playing the DTS-HD MA version of the film, I have tried to recreate this happening with several of my other DTS-HD MA blu-rays but it does not happen. Leads me to believe it is something in the encoding on this particular disc. Anyone else experienced this? Thanks

[El_Fez]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

But if we're being honest, the best Seven Samurai remake is still Battle Beyond the Stars

Fixed that for you.

So I picked up Magnificent Seven today - I had two gift cards to burn up and the 20% off Target Pinwheel coupon (and dear god does their movie section suck balls). But three bucks? Yeah, I'm fine with getting a western at that price.

I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed it!

Does it reinvent the Wheel? No it doesn't, but it does unabashedly embrace the old school western tropes as much possible. The lonesome rider introduced enigmatically riding into town, the gun twirling, the larger than life villains and heroes, the silhouettes against the sun.

The characters are all appropriately badassed, the action is clean and easy to follow (a VERY rare thing in action movies these days), and the score is damn solid. Normally remakes suck (yeah, I'm looking at you Total Recall, Robocop and Ghostbusters), but this one? Yeah, I have no regrets putting it on my shelf right next to the originals.

[Rich65]

My wife and I enjoyed this as well and I am a big fan of the Magnificent Seven movies and the TV series as well as Seven Samurai.
If I were to rank this among the Magnificent Seven feature films it would be this:
1. The Magnificent Seven (1960)
2. Guns of The Magnificent Seven
3. The Magnificent Seven (2016)
4. Return of The Seven
5. The Magnificent Seven Ride
But all the films are enjoyable.

[timcat4843]

On sale at [I]Amazon[I] for $9.99.
Time for me to pull the trigger on this one!

[Zen_Amako]

Originally Posted by timcat4843

On sale at [I]Amazon[I] for $9.99.
Time for me to pull the trigger on this one!

This is part of a B1G1F deal at Best Buy this week. Get it for $4.99 if you buy another $9.99 title with it.

[Ned Schneebly]

Any idea why the 4k release and the blu release contain different cover art for the Blu-ray Disc?

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Ned Schneebly

Any idea why the 4k release and the blu release contain different cover art for the Blu-ray Disc?

Sony does this all the time. The Blu-ray in the UHD combo has a plain vanilla label while the Blu-ray in the BD combo has actual artwork.

[Ned Schneebly]

Thanks! Are they the same disc? I mean same content

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Ned Schneebly

Thanks! Are they the same disc? I mean same content

As he said, they use different art for the UHDs and BDs. They're obviously the same movie, but obviously not the same disc.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Ned Schneebly

Thanks! Are they the same disc? I mean same content

Should be the same in terms of A/V and bonus features. Just different disc art. I honestly have no idea why they bother doing that.

[Leonidas King]

Its still shocking to me how this movie bypassed a PG-13 rating. One of the most violent PG-13 ratings in recent memory.

Watched the 4K tonight and its top notch.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Leonidas_King

Its still shocking to me how this movie bypassed a PG-13 rating. One of the most violent PG-13 ratings in recent memory.

Watched the 4K tonight and its top notch.

Yeah, I did think it should have been rated R as well. I still loved it.

[The Great Owl]

I finally got around to watching my Blu-ray of The Magnificent Seven remake.

I wrote a review after I saw the movie at the theater a couple of years ago, and that review still stands, although I enjoyed the film even more during the second viewing today when I was not constantly making comparisons.

The Blu-ray looks incredible. I've got the 4K + Blu-ray combo, but no means to play 4K just yet. I'll look forward to that day, but, for now, standard high definition rocks on for this disc.