Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Right now the Digital Code Market is Flourishing!

No, EST has slowed and put the industry in a tizzy. They know UV has stalled (Warner's words)[read: UV failed] so they switched to Movies Anywhere. Paramount and Lionsgate have not switched. The only thing I see positive about Movies Anywhere is Amazon is a participant, they never had UV.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

No, EST has slowed and put the industry in a tizzy. They know UV has stalled (Warner's words)[read: UV failed] so they switched to Movies Anywhere. Paramount and Lionsgate have not switched. The only thing I see positive about Movies Anywhere is Amazon is a participant, they never had UV.

Generation Z have zero interest in owning content generally speaking. That’s why stocking up on discs is the best way to go for us. The subscription/mobile model will be king for that generation given another 15-20 years. Some think when those people get older their habits will shift to bigger screens. I completely disagree with that viewpoint. This time around, I think the shift to smaller screens is permanent. Mobile is such a huge part of life now that it’s set in stone. Whether that means the big screen dies out with millennials or not remains to be seen but I just want it to last at least 30 years or until I Croke it!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

This time around, I think the shift to smaller screens is permanent.

The what now?

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Right now the Digital Code Market is Flourishing!

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

No, EST has slowed and put the industry in a tizzy. They know UV has stalled (Warner's words)[read: UV failed] so they switched to Movies Anywhere. Paramount and Lionsgate have not switched. The only thing I see positive about Movies Anywhere is Amazon is a participant, they never had UV.

I was talking about the Grey Digital Code Market, that I don't think goes into the Data for EST. These are the Codes that are included with the Discs. They sell them here on this Site and also the growing UV/MA Stores.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

The what now?

I’m talking about generation Z. The generation that matters to the industry. As they settle into middle age, we will see.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

As they settle into middle age, we will see.

Sure, we might still be around...



Then again...

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

This time around, I think the shift to smaller screens is permanent.

Originally Posted by octagon

The what now?

The Screens are getting bigger, and the Millennials will remember watching Video on the Big Screen.

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Since the Millennials like to Stream their Video, their Movie Collections will be stored with their Streaming Providers. Screens are getting bigger and thinner, and the Home Theater will remain in the home but will blend into the Wall. There will be more Original Content, and shorter time Releases on Movies Streamed to the Home Theater.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I was talking about the Grey Digital Code Market, that I don't think goes into the Data for EST. These are the Codes that are included with the Discs. They sell them here on this Site and also the growing UV/MA Stores.

OK, I thought you were talking about official sales data not something that can not be verified. Not sure why folks even bother with trying to sell codes. A while back I tried selling about 30 (all A or tent pole titles) UV titles on eBay and found it was not worth the effort. By the time you paid the fees and postage there was little money left over.

So I just gave them away to strangers, my doctors, hygienist, etc. Some folks that had VUDU, Prime, etc. did not want them even tho they were free.

Disney sued Redbox for selling Disney UV codes, will be interesting to see how that turns out.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not sure why folks even bother with trying to sell codes.

I feel the same way about selling discs. Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad people sell their discs cause I love buying them. But selling used discs?

The work/return ratio always seemed way out of whack.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Generation Z have zero interest in owning content generally speaking. That’s why stocking up on discs is the best way to go for us. The subscription/mobile model will be king for that generation given another 15-20 years. Some think when those people get older their habits will shift to bigger screens. I completely disagree with that viewpoint. This time around, I think the shift to smaller screens is permanent. Mobile is such a huge part of life now that it’s set in stone. Whether that means the big screen dies out with millennials or not remains to be seen but I just want it to last at least 30 years or until I Croke it!

Yes they are going to be college age and older and invite people over to "Netflix and chill" on a 4 inch screen.

[Dustin44]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

OK, I thought you were talking about official sales data not something that can not be verified. Not sure why folks even bother with trying to sell codes. A while back I tried selling about 30 (all A or tent pole titles) UV titles on eBay and found it was not worth the effort. By the time you paid the fees and postage there was little money left over.

So I just gave them away to strangers, my doctors, hygienist, etc. Some folks that had VUDU, Prime, etc. did not want them even tho they were free.

Disney sued Redbox for selling Disney UV codes, will be interesting to see how that turns out.

You can sell codes easily here in this forum:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=220953

And there are all kinds of Google+ groups selling codes too.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Yes they are going to be colleg age and older and invite people over to "Netflix and chill" on a 4 inch screen.

It will be Snapchat and snack by the time they are settled down with kids.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I was talking about the Grey Digital Code Market, that I don't think goes into the Data for EST. These are the Codes that are included with the Discs. They sell them here on this Site and also the growing UV/MA Stores.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

OK, I thought you were talking about official sales data not something that can not be verified. Not sure why folks even bother with trying to sell codes. A while back I tried selling about 30 (all A or tent pole titles) UV titles on eBay and found it was not worth the effort. By the time you paid the fees and postage there was little money left over.

So I just gave them away to strangers, my doctors, hygienist, etc. Some folks that had VUDU, Prime, etc. did not want them even tho they were free.

Disney sued Redbox for selling Disney UV codes, will be interesting to see how that turns out.

Redbox is not selling Codes, they went to an On Demand service. The UV/MA Stores started with just a few, now there are many and doing very well. Selling Codes by individuals works well on this Site, I have successfully sold a few but bought even more. I tried it on eBay, but like you said it didn't work well. It worked better to buy the Disc with Code then sell the Disc. The Disc Market on eBay has dried up too, they only want to pay a couple of bucks for them so it's not worth it.

[Vilya]

It's nice to just sit back and observe.

I give away duplicate discs, after I upgrade a title, to family, friends, or to charitable institutions. I gave away two codes once to someone claiming some kind of hardship, but I stopped doing that as I feel people should pay something for their desired content.

My friends keep wanting me to play online video games while my ISP will allow it, so I have less time to play here.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It's nice to just sit back and observe.

I give away duplicate discs, after I upgrade a title, to family, friends, or to charitable institutions. I gave away two codes once to someone claiming some kind of hardship, but I stopped doing that as I feel people should pay something for their desired content.

My friends keep wanting me to play online video games while my ISP will allow it, so I have less time to play here.

What you playing?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What you playing?

They mostly want to play Diablo 3; I am playing a level 918 Demon Hunter.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

The digital code market flourishing is proof that plenty of people are buying discs and are selling their codes because they don't want them. That must mean that they want the discs! How is that a bad sign for the disc market? How does that support your "no one wants discs" theory?

It's the Rental Market that supplies the Codes to the MA/UV Stores, but the Codes here on this Site do come from the Disc Market. My observation of no one wanting Disc comes from the shriking Disc displays at stores like Best Buy, Target, and WalMart. Also my sales of Discs on eBay are dismal. The other thing I noticed at WalMart, their sales of Vudu Digital Movies are doing very well by the way they need to restock the growing Digital Display.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Also my sales of Discs on eBay are dismal.

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Then you're doing it wrong. I have no problem selling the extra discs from the combo packs I buy.

Then you must be selling them for a couple bucks, that's not worth it to me. Buying the Codes are a better deal.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Then you must be selling them for a couple bucks, that's not worth it to me. Buying the Codes are a better deal.

Digital HD has no future. Even the industry has stopped pushing them like they were. Digital HD is the unloved child of this generation. The masses want cheap buffets, the hardcore want the best quality, Digital HD want, emmmmm, uhhhhhhh, ehhhhhhh, nope, it’s not coming to me.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It's the Rental Market that supplies the Codes to the MA/UV Stores, but the Codes here on this Site do come from the Disc Market. My observation of no one wanting Disc comes from the shriking Disc displays at stores like Best Buy, Target, and WalMart. Also my sales of Discs on eBay are dismal. The other thing I noticed at WalMart, their sales of Vudu Digital Movies are doing very well by the way they need to restock the growing Digital Display.

Your observations are wrong as usual. We have hard sales data to tell us how disc sales and electronic sell thru sales are doing. Disc outsells EST by more than 2 to 1. These are verifiable facts compiled from across the entire market and they are not based on you seeing what you want to see at your local stores.

If no one wanted discs, as you keep incorrectly saying, stores would have no disc section at all. Stores are focusing on new releases while deep catalog titles are mostly found online. Where something is bought is nowhere near as important as if it is being bought. The best selection and the best prices on discs are usually found online. Those same stores continue to sell a wide range of titles online while featuring mostly recent titles on their sales floors.

Digital code cards being displayed in stores have not resulted in "flourishing" sales. Again, the sales data shows that when it comes to purchasing movies, discs are what people are buying. For typically just $2-$5 more than the code alone, you can have both.

When a disc owner sells the code that came with their disc purchase, those unwanted codes may sell well because they are so incredibly cheap, but that is a far cry from paying retail prices for a digital code. Digital codes sold in stores are not that much cheaper than the disc edition that includes them already. The principal value in these codes is that they can defray the purchase price of the disc when sold on the second hand market.

We have covered this before, but many people will not shop for discs on ebay because ebay is the bootleg merchandise capital of the world. ebay is flooded with fake goods. Any search on the subject will quickly reveal how pervasive the problem is.

You continue to ignore the actual sales data that is easily found on the Home Video Sales thread and instead base your comments on what you think is the meaning of what you see at the Walmart and Best Buy in your neighborhood. You and the stores in St. George, Utah are not the barometer by which the industry measures sales. Combined with what you claim your family, friends, and random sales clerks are doing, you have, wrongly, determined the status of the whole home video entertainment market. Why does the home entertainment industry spend the time and the money gathering and analyzing all of this sales data when they could instead just ask you? You have all the answers after all. All of the wrong ones.