Lucasfilm Discussion Thread

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Friday the 13th Part V.

Coulda swore it was Saturday.

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Have some dignity. You are grasping at any straws you can to maintain that the public are so profoundly disturbed by a movie that continues to sell. And you're feigning innocence after gleefully imagining some random misfortune for Kennedy in order to show up the celebrators of the hater's complete misjudgement of Kennedy's immediate fate at LFL.

I haven't equated any "greatness" of my perception of TLJ to sales. Just common sense that something with sustained popularity isn't as divisive as the people that criticise it want to make out.

Solo is very good in my opinion. That doesn't translate to very good box office though. I didn't go to see it in the cinema but it had nothing to do with TLJ or some intuition that a Solo film produced by the people that brought me TLJ can't be worth seeing.

Ok...now I know you are just trolling..lol

I NEVER said TLJ did not sell well. I said all those "SALES" are not JUST from people who loved the movie..LOL You have yet to validly dispute my facts about the other reasonings for purchasing them (which goes for ANY movie as aI have stated twice.,,as you have ignored that to make it seem like I singled TLJ out) . You are literally doing the same thing you are accusing me of doing lol... As you said "you cannot pick and choose which sales are irrelevant"...to which Im not just breaking them down to show that not all sales were from your "beloved" fans...(prime example...I was gifted TLJ & I hated the movie...oh but it was bought so it MUST mean the person who bought it liked the movie and the sales don't lie about the quality of the movie..LMAO gimme a friggin' break)...only someone who can't grasped that concept or doesn't want to admit another possibility would dismiss that so arrogantly.

(Here is another example of that fundamental concept in a different medium: Spawn #1 was the most single selling comic issue when it was released, till X-Men #1 came out and sold more....was that because it was better? Not necessarily...since X-men had what FIVE different covers??. A ton of fans & collectors bought all 5 for their collection so yeah of course it sold more copies...LOL)

I only Started my views after I read a bunch of people saying "hah take that crybabies" when they announced KK's contract extension (to which I already stated I don't know which way i feel about it) As it seems like a premature celebration WAY too early to tell if its a good thing or not. Doesn't matter if you agreed or disagreed with her getting the extension....If Ep 9 tanks (It may OR may not) what are you gonna say???...let me guess...."well...ummm....sequels never make as much as the 1st movie"? She may get canned, She may get another extension after this one. Who knows??? My point about Gunn was valid (though obvious diff circumstances) but who knew he would have gotten canned? Yea she could get hit by a bus as you arrogantly typed...but you missed my point or "chose not to" (like your own quotes used against you?? LOL)


Well that's enough of schooling for today.. Peace out..LOL (save yourself the time & energy don't bother responding..just laugh to yourself as I know you will & cry deep down inside)

[Martoto]

Nobody ever said you did say TLJ didn't sell well. You go ahead though. But guess who sounds more like the troll for wilfully speaking at crossed purposes?

Your "facts about the reasonings" thing sounds like an interesting, abstract concept. But I prefer actual facts.

Facts like KK being given an emphatic seal of approval. Instead of being promptly dismissed. Which is what many people, who assumed that their dissent is the prevailing opinion of her employers and the better half of the public and the fandom, had predicted.

It's in the face of this undeniable fact that someone appears compelled to envision a pipe dream of random misfortune ,
unconnected to hers or SW's success, toppling Kennedy. In a word. Spite.

[shinobipopcorn]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Coulda swore it was Saturday.

Yep. But the reason I mentioned it was that it had crazy BO numbers due to how good Part IV was, but the film itself was received as mediocre to even terrible by some. Part VI, which is actually one of the good ones, suffered as a result because people remembered how disappointed they were in V.

Time somewhat redeemed Part V (some see it as the Halloween III of the franchise, some as just a good horror movie), but we'll have to wait and see on TLJ.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by aiman04

I just want Lucasfilm to make many other films other than Star Wars.

You want this... present tense? What would be the point?

I can understand people having felt that way back when Lucas owned the company since most anything being made (whether directed by him or written/produced by him) had his involvement on some level and if you liked most of what he made.

But now the company is owned by Disney, and anything they put out (that isn't SW or Indiana Jones), regardless of whether or not it is under the Lucasfilm banner, doesn't have his involvement at all. Releasing a new, original movie (or even adapted from some other random existing property that Lucasfilm never touched previously back when George was in charge) would be no different if released under Lucasfilm or under one of Disney's other studio banners like Touchstone or something.

When Disney bought Lucasfilm, they were mainly buying Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Putting out any other content now other than those properties under the Lucasfilm banner would be moot since it would just be other random people making that stuff who never worked with Lucas, and who would do the same job if put under another Disney-owned banner.

[car2nst]

The only thing worse than a fan is a fanatic...just plain dumb. Like the Flat Earthers...you can prove to them the world is not flat but they still won't believe it. LMFAO...SOOOOO hilarious in their own little world of denial. Can't help those who can't help themselves i suppose.

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Nobody ever said you did say TLJ didn't sell well. You go ahead though. But guess who sounds more like the troll for wilfully speaking at crossed purposes?

Your "facts about the reasonings" thing sounds like an interesting, abstract concept. But I prefer actual facts.

Facts like KK being given an emphatic seal of approval. Instead of being promptly dismissed. Which is what many people, who assumed that their dissent is the prevailing opinion of her employers and the better half of the public and the fandom, had predicted.

It's in the face of this undeniable fact that someone appears compelled to envision a pipe dream of random misfortune ,
unconnected to hers or SW's success, toppling Kennedy. In a word. Spite.

Please ...enlighten me...show me the statistics that show how many people loved the movie as they bought the copies in stores. I'm sure a lot did & even the good majority of may have, but subtract my mentioned examples (as would be used in a thorough business model) & it doesn't seem so impressively high now does it?

The only Fact is KK got a contract extension, nothing more. Whether it is to be seen as good or bad is yet to be determined. Your use of "empathetic seal of approval" is showing you are really trying (too hard) to force your opinion. This is where logic & common sense prevails over your forced factual "opinions". Sorry man, your just not a very good debater....your keyboard warrior skills may be better than my own, but that alone doesn't mean you are 100% correct either. I just showed you other "real world" factors to consider & you toss them aside like nonsense.

"You can lead a horse to water......"


Go ahead reply again & show you can't let it go & can't take in other factors....LOL. So sad dude, man up & just let it go...

[shinobipopcorn]

Lucasfilm pictures:

Star Wars:
Indiana Jones:
Willow: sequel in development hell
Howard the Duck: ha ha no
Captain EO: RIP MJ
Labyrinth: not really Lucasfilm, besides keep that woman away from anything HA with a 50ft pole
American Graffiti: been done, nothing to see here
THX 1138: lmfao no
Red Tails: Disney probably wants to bury this one
Strange Magic: ker-flop

I don't think there's much to work with here.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by DrWally

Interesting that, backlash or no, the supposedly loathed TLJ has sold over a million more home video units than the supposedly beloved Black Panther and Infinity War. And there can't be THAT many hate-watchers out there.

I can only find the US numbers, but Black Panther has outsold The Last Jedi by over one hundred thousand units combined.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Yep. But the reason I mentioned it was that it had crazy BO numbers due to how good Part IV was, but the film itself was received as mediocre to even terrible by some. Part VI, which is actually one of the good ones, suffered as a result because people remembered how disappointed they were in V.

Time somewhat redeemed Part V (some see it as the Halloween III of the franchise, some as just a good horror movie), but we'll have to wait and see on TLJ.

That's right. (Although the margins are not really comparable to Solo's lack of performance in the wake of TLJ. Return Of the Jedi is arguably a bigger "failure" than Jason Lives, when comparing cost to gross ratios to their preceding films)).

But it would take a concerted effort and a will to suggest that TLJ needs time to redeem itself from a general perception of being mediocre to terrible, or even public disappointment.

There is a combination of fatigue at the flawed release strategy (imagine if Solo came out six months after the character's emotional swansong in TFA), and the toxic nature of the way particular and varied demands are made within the fandom then reported in the media, plus the fear that some of them will be met and unduly influence the movies themselves for the worse.

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Lucasfilm pictures:

Star Wars:
Indiana Jones:
Willow: sequel in development hell
Howard the Duck: ha ha no
Captain EO: RIP MJ
Labyrinth: not really Lucasfilm, besides keep that woman away from anything HA with a 50ft pole
American Graffiti: been done, nothing to see here
THX 1138: lmfao no
Red Tails: Disney probably wants to bury this one
Strange Magic: ker-flop

I don't think there's much to work with here.

Howard the Duck may make it back in the MCU as a cameo.
Willow could be interesting.

[bferr1972]

Originally Posted by car2nst

Howard the Duck may make it back in the MCU as a cameo.

He already has, in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.

[car2nst]

Originally Posted by bferr1972

He already has, in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.

I meat future cameo's beyond his GOTG sequence

[drush9999]

I'd be down for a Willow sequel, not sure it would be a box office smash though

[Porco Azzurro]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

You want this... present tense? What would be the point?

I can understand people having felt that way back when Lucas owned the company since most anything being made (whether directed by him or written/produced by him) had his involvement on some level and if you liked most of what he made.

But now the company is owned by Disney, and anything they put out (that isn't SW or Indiana Jones), regardless of whether or not it is under the Lucasfilm banner, doesn't have his involvement at all. Releasing a new, original movie (or even adapted from some other random existing property that Lucasfilm never touched previously back when George was in charge) would be no different if released under Lucasfilm or under one of Disney's other studio banners like Touchstone or something.

When Disney bought Lucasfilm, they were mainly buying Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Putting out any other content now other than those properties under the Lucasfilm banner would be moot since it would just be other random people making that stuff who never worked with Lucas, and who would do the same job if put under another Disney-owned banner.

I totally disagree. There is a lot of connective tissue between many of Lucasfilm's projects - a certain ethos, that no doubt was derived from George Lucas. You can make the same observation with the films from the Disney company whilst Walt Disney was alive. Did Disney stop making new Disney films? For that matter, are Marvel not going to ever introduce any new characters now they've been bought by Disney? Are Pixar doomed to sequels forever more after their founders are all gone?

IMHO they could absolutely make new projects at Lucasfilm that respect and are inspired by the kind of ideas, interests, obsessions and aesthetics of George Lucas. I hope they do at some point.

[Shin sam]

This bickering is pointless. Now, can a mod close this thread?

[Aclea]

Could you really see Disney producing the likes of Tucker, Mishima, Kagemusha or (as Lucas did uncredited) Body Heat and Latino? Or even - indeed, especially - a Don Bluth film for that matter?

[shinobipopcorn]

You forgot someone- Mel Brooks co-produced The Elephant Man, but kept his name off it for obvious reasons.

[Aclea]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

You forgot someone- Mel Brooks co-produced The Elephant Man, but kept his name off it for obvious reasons.

Not entirely: it's credited onscreen as a Brooksfilm production, as it were The Fly, Frances, 84 Charing Cross Road and The Doctor and the Devils among others, where Lucas took both his and Lucasfilm's names off Body Heat and Latino because he didn't want people to associate them with Lucasfilm's more family oriented branding.

[demonknight]

Tucker: The Man and His Dream is one of Coppola’s best movies.