HDR is crayons

[nick4Knight]

HDR is badass. Crayons is a hilarious meme. But reality is reality.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Ruined

For multipurpose uses game HUDs are biggest issue. The burn in potential actually does resonate with many consumers.

Gaming frequently? Yep, Id buy an LCD too. I still dont agree that most OLED buyers are going to fall into the burn-in risk category. Joe Shmoe is not going to pay top dollar for an OLED. They're going to buy whatever is on sale at Wally World or whichever LCD is cheapest at Best Buy on the endcap.

OLED buyers are usually more concerned with PQ and will use the TV for movies, TV shows and sports. They wont use the thing for much gaming. They wont turn it on at 6am and leave it on until midnight on the same channel. Most wont anyways.

Just like in the plasma days - the burn-in "thing" was overly dramatic and blown way out of proportion. On forums it appeared to be a bigger problemthan it was due to the burn-in sufferers posting but the non burn-in people staying quiet. Thats par for any TV issues! Forums make any TV or TV tech seem bad! Alls you get are the problem posts. Boring to post you're happy with your TV, right?

[Brahmzy]

Nah, plenty of burn in reports from users of all types on both plasmas and OLEDs.
It’s a thing for a lot of people. Heck a lot of people are buying OLED KNOWING it’ll burn in and making sure they get a 3rd party warranty that covers burn in.
I want a 78” bad and am thinking of doing just that. I’ve got an HTPC that’ll burn an OLED in short order, no matter how careful I am.

[ROSS.T.G.]

I’ve gamed quite a bit on my OLED playing Battlefront 2 and have no burn in. If I spend hours gaming I run the refresher before bed. No issues on my end.

[StingingVelvet]

My in-laws have massive burn-in issues on their set, which I've never been able to figure out. It's not like they play videogames. I think it might be from the Fox News and ESPN tickers and borders, but commercials should prevent that right? I dunno.

[HeavyHitter]

I've owned three plasmas (Panasonic ST30, VT60, and now Samsung F5300B) and even with light to moderate viewing, I've had subtle burn-in from tickers - combination of news and sports mostly. However, I never really see it in any viewing...only certain commercials with a light colored grey background, example. I've also been guilty of not running that burn-in swiper periodically or whatever it's called. My next TV will probably be an OLED so I'll keep a better eye on things.

[Colson]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I've owned three plasmas (Panasonic ST30, VT60, and now Samsung F5300) and even with light to moderate viewing, I've had subtle burn-in from tickers - combination of news and sports mostly. However, I never really see it in any viewing, only certain commercials with a light colored grey background, example. I've also been guilty of not running that burn-in swiper or whatever it's called.

On my old plasma, which I adores, I would get image retention after watching letterboxed or windowboxed content, but it would disappear after a few minutes of viewing other content.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

My in-laws have massive burn-in issues on their set, which I've never been able to figure out. It's not like they play videogames. I think it might be from the Fox News and ESPN tickers and borders, but commercials should prevent that right? I dunno.

Those tickers annoy me so much and are so unnecessary in 2018.

[tama]

Never had burn in issues with my old plasma or my OLED now. My in laws never had issues with their plasma and there mostly cook shows sports and news watchers.

In fact most of the complaints I see online are from non plasma/OLED owners complaining about all the reports they see. Which I hardly ever see any of myself except those making those claims that they see them. Robert, are local insider dealer on this board, says he hasn't had many if hardly any issues or complaints with his consumers.

Image retention that dissipates after a few moments is not the same as permanent burn in.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Brahmzy

Nah, plenty of burn in reports from users of all types on both plasmas and OLEDs.
It’s a thing for a lot of people. Heck a lot of people are buying OLED KNOWING it’ll burn in and making sure they get a 3rd party warranty that covers burn in.
I want a 78” bad and am thinking of doing just that. I’ve got an HTPC that’ll burn an OLED in short order, no matter how careful I am.

So its gauranteed then? Geesh. I might just toss my set out out then, . Like any reports of issues like this, the use case will be severely downplayed and its always "It happened with completely normal viewing, I swear". Right. Of course, every single emissive display EVER would have burn in if this were true. But most dont have burn in. Well that just doesnt jive, does it?

I dont care. Not going to get into this here like it was over at AVS. My goodness.... make it stop.

Originally Posted by tama

Never had burn in issues with my old plasma or my OLED now. My in laws never had issues with their plasma and there mostly cook shows sports and news watchers.

In fact most of the complaints I see online are from non plasma/OLED owners complaining about all the reports they see. Which I hardly ever see any of myself except those making those claims that they see them. Robert, are local insider dealer on this board, says he hasn't had many if hardly any issues or complaints with his consumers.

Image retention that dissipates after a few moments is not the same as permanent burn in.

Ive owned emissive displays sionce like forever. never a single issue with any of them. Pioneer KUROs, Samsung 64" plasmas, Panasonics and now my OLED. I must keep getting lucky! Cool for me then, I guess.

[RustinCohle]

With Red Dead Redemption 2 coming out, I'll be BURNING the hell out of my OLED. That's what a warranty is for, right?

[fighthefutureofhd]

I've got burn in bad so to speak on my OLED set that I'm still paying on. I've got the words BUN, RUN, or something like that burned onto my screen. I don't know how I did that. I'm pretty bad about not remembering to set my timers. It doesn't always show though. It's the worst when I'm watching "special interest" DVDs. I think it's the skin tones that are the reason for that. I ran the program on the tv to get rid of this type of stuff twice already. I get up early Saturday morning and do it three more times back to back to see if that helps.

[RustinCohle]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

I've got burn in bad so to speak on my OLED set that I'm still paying on. I've got the words BUN, RUN, or something like that burned onto my screen. I don't know how I did that. I'm pretty bad about not remembering to set my timers. It doesn't always show though. It's the worst when I'm watching "special interest" DVDs. I think it's the skin tones that are the reason for that. I ran the program on the tv to get rid of this type of stuff twice already. I get up early Saturday morning and do it three more times back to back to see if that helps.

and that is why I went with the Geek Squad plan. As far as I know, it's the only plan that covers burn-in. They also just replace the entire TV instead of trying to repair/replace just the panel.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by RustinCohle

and that is why I went with the Geek Squad plan. As far as I know, it's the only plan that covers burn-in. They also just replace the entire TV instead of trying to repair/replace just the panel.

I didn't get my tv at Best Buy though. As I've said I've gotten screwed more over this television than a virgin at a prison rodeo. My fault. I will have to deal with it.

[motorheadache95]

I play video games on my OLED sometimes, but what I heard is that you're only going to risk burning in images if you let the same images sit on the screen for hours on a daily basis without changing up the content. I think if you take small precautions not to let the same static images stay on the screen too long too often you probably have nothing to worry about.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Gaming frequently? Yep, Id buy an LCD too. I still dont agree that most OLED buyers are going to fall into the burn-in risk category. Joe Shmoe is not going to pay top dollar for an OLED. They're going to buy whatever is on sale at Wally World or whichever LCD is cheapest at Best Buy on the endcap.

OLED buyers are usually more concerned with PQ and will use the TV for movies, TV shows and sports. They wont use the thing for much gaming. They wont turn it on at 6am and leave it on until midnight on the same channel. Most wont anyways.

Just like in the plasma days - the burn-in "thing" was overly dramatic and blown way out of proportion. On forums it appeared to be a bigger problemthan it was due to the burn-in sufferers posting but the non burn-in people staying quiet. Thats par for any TV issues! Forums make any TV or TV tech seem bad! Alls you get are the problem posts. Boring to post you're happy with your TV, right?

9% of people getting OLED burn-in is 9%, regardless of how people wish to frame it.

I engage in activities that would make it much more likely to occur on my set. I'm an avid sports watcher and I do marathon gaming sessions.

[aetherhole]

Originally Posted by Nothing371

9% of people getting OLED burn-in is 9%, regardless of how people wish to frame it.

I engage in activities that would make it much more likely to occur on my set. I'm an avid sports watcher and I do marathon gaming sessions.

I agree that OLEDs just aren't as favorable to those who are more prone to watching Sports. One, most of the time, content is being viewed with lights on, diminishing more of the benefits of an OLED. Two, motion handling, while sufficient for most, is still not as good as other television techs. Three, then there's the constant tickers and score overlays that may cause image retention/burn-in.

Video games, however, are slightly less of an issue, I think. I think devs are more aware people don't want constant HUD elements always on or implement a more transparent HUD elements to prevent too much issue.

For me, I do about 50/50 content between movie watching and video games and I don't experience IR at all really. Burn-In is a non-issue. This is not to refute the statistic of people who do suffer from it, because those are certainly valid. I think people are just much less careful about it and if that's the case, knowing their tendencies (or family member's tendencies, not always the purchaser), I'd never steer them towards a self-emissive television.

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

I agree that OLEDs just aren't as favorable to those who are more prone to watching Sports. One, most of the time, content is being viewed with lights on, diminishing more of the benefits of an OLED. Two, motion handling, while sufficient for most, is still not as good as other television techs. Three, then there's the constant tickers and score overlays that may cause image retention/burn-in.

Video games, however, are slightly less of an issue, I think. I think devs are more aware people don't want constant HUD elements always on or implement a more transparent HUD elements to prevent too much issue.

For me, I do about 50/50 content between movie watching and video games and I don't experience IR at all really. Burn-In is a non-issue. This is not to refute the statistic of people who do suffer from it, because those are certainly valid. I think people are just much less careful about it and if that's the case, knowing their tendencies (or family member's tendencies, not always the purchaser), I'd never steer them towards a self-emissive television.

I have 2 OLED tv's. The EF9500 and the E6. The 9500 is in a brighter room, and I watch nothing but sports on that tv. Over 4000 hours on the tv. I use bright room setting with has OLED light at 100 and contrast at 85. To this day, I have no BI. In fact, when I display the colored slides to check for BI, there is not one area that even shows a hint of BI.

My E6 is in a darker room for movie and regular non sport viewing. Needless to say, that tv remains flawless after 2 years.

The only thing I changed on both tv was going into SM and changing how often the auto comp cycle runs from 4 hours to 1 hours. So both tv's have probably run that 7 to 8 minute cycle more that most with the same amount of hours. Perhaps that is why both my OLED's remain flawless to this day.

[oddbox83]

The Samsung Q9 seems to be a good alternative for anyone worried about OLED burn.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

I agree that OLEDs just aren't as favorable to those who are more prone to watching Sports.

The simple fact is there are multiple reasons to choose LED, even if OLED is technically better in a lot of ways. That's why the pissing matches drive me nuts. Let everyone pick the set that makes sense for their situation. The differences aren't big enough between OLED and high-end LED to factor it into disc quality discussions.

Now if someone owns a $500 Walmart LED, that's another matter.