Superman: The Movie 4K UHD (1978)

[Adam_ME]

So we went from DTS HD-MA 2.0 to Dolby Digital 5.1 for the original theatrical mix?

[GKintz]

Is the Dolby Digital 5.1 track 448 or 640kb/s?

[MEB]

Originally Posted by DMRI2006

Yes. The Atmos track is the remix with the "new" effects and the LFE if anything is even more prominent here. The remastered 6 track is in lossy Dolby Digital 5.1 though it still sounds quite good.

Thank you! I think it's terrific that they are offering both. It sounds like the original theatrical track might have some LFE boost too.

Mark

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by GKintz

Is the Dolby Digital 5.1 track 448 or 640kb/s?

If I'm not mistaken I think, Dolby Digital 5.1 is 640kb/s on Blu-ray, and 448 on DVD, that's if you can tell the difference, and most people can't. Actually it all depends on the quality of the receiver and the speakers.

[guachi]

Next Tuesday I will believe a man can fly!

Gotta watch it day one so I can be distracted from watching election returns.

[5x10]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

I posted this last week, but if you have this or are getting it, and you don't want or need the digital copy, please PM me. I will be more than happy to buy it from you.

U can have mine, I’ll pick one up on Thursday, just remember to remind me via pm

[BNex99]

Yay, mine came in today!

It looks terrific. Krypton has a bit more of a grayish look to it, and the contrast between the actors' faces and their reflective costumes is much better than in previous home releases (where they always seemed to be competing with each other).

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

So we went from DTS HD-MA 2.0 to Dolby Digital 5.1 for the original theatrical mix?

The 5.1 Dolby Digital sounds quite good. Lossless would be preferable, but it's still much more enveloping than the 2.0 on the Blu-ray. There is definitely some stereo activity in the surrounds, so this may very well be taken from that legendary split surround mix.

I imagine this has been pointed out, but the theatrical version of Superman is finally available on its own for those who want it. And combined with the Warner Archive release of the extended cut and special edition, that would give you pretty much all anyone could reasonably expect for this film, in about the best quality we're likely to see for a good long while. A bit pricey, but it's there.

[Purploros]

Not to be that person, but can someone who’s already received this confirm whether the Blu-ray’s remastered?

[BNex99]

Originally Posted by Purploros

Not to be that person, but can someone who’s already received this confirm whether the Blu-ray’s remastered?

It's the same BD from the Anthology set with new disc art.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

So we went from DTS HD-MA 2.0 to Dolby Digital 5.1 for the original theatrical mix?

Well, the 5.1 is the actual 70mm 6-track which has never been available before. So while we went from lossless to lossy, it’s still exciting to have it this way.

[DR Herbert West]

This looks beautiful. It's going to be hard waiting for Part II.

[joenostalgia23]

I can't believe people doubted that a film nominated for the Best Cinematography Oscar wouldn't benefit from 4K.

[Pieter V]

DISC INFO:

Disc Size: 93,399,747,064 bytes
Protection: AACS2
BD-Java: Yes
Extras: Ultra HD
BDInfo: 0.5.8.7

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00800.MPLS
Length: 2:23:12.250 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 90,705,352,704 bytes
Total Bitrate: 84.45 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-H HEVC Video 72337 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 Profile 5.1 High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / HDR / BT.2020 /
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 63 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 Profile 5.1 High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / Dolby Vision / BT.2020 /

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Atmos/TrueHD Audio English 4342 kbps 7.1-Atmos / 48 kHz / 4342 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1-EX / 48 kHz / 448 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio German 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Italian 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Portuguese 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
* Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 25.399 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 17.992 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 24.764 kbps
Presentation Graphics Italian 25.733 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 20.316 kbps
Presentation Graphics Dutch 21.472 kbps
Presentation Graphics Chinese 21.276 kbps
Presentation Graphics Korean 15.339 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 21.581 kbps
Presentation Graphics Portuguese 22.395 kbps
Presentation Graphics Arabic 13.885 kbps
Presentation Graphics Czech 21.352 kbps
Presentation Graphics Danish 21.325 kbps
Presentation Graphics Finnish 16.167 kbps
Presentation Graphics Norwegian 18.123 kbps
Presentation Graphics Swedish 18.295 kbps
Presentation Graphics Thai 21.324 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Japanese 1.448 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Japanese 14.261 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Japanese 40.748 kbps

[OutOfBoose]

Bitrate to handle a kryptonian.

WB, please, now give us burtons.

[supersonic395]

Any screen cap comparisons?

[AaronY]

So amped

[Geoff D]

Man, look at that video bitrate when they're not having to pack loads of foreign audio tracks @ high bitrates on there, most are 192 kb/s which is nothing. And this sucker needed it too, being a soft, grainy source. If we don't wan't the grain fighting with the detail and vice versa then you need enough bitrate to handle both and that the 72 Mb/s is an average - meaning that it'll spike well above that - is most impressive. Dobly enhancement layer is metadata only but I'm not surprised.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

enhancement layer is metadata only but I'm not surprised.

The HDR10 encode uses a 4.000 nits container

Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 3938 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 193 cd/m2

[Geoff D]

Which is why I'm not surprised because Sony and Warners typically master to 4000-nit HDR10 layers even when using DV, apart from Matrix trilogy which is 1000 nits, VERY unusual for Warners but even in that case the DV layer is metadata only.

If Supes' HDR10 layer had been mapped to 1000 nits then the DV enhancement layer would contain the remainder that lives in the >1000 nit region, though I can't imagine that the 3938 nit MaxCLL figure is for a constant part of the movie, just the very brightest speculars in one moment or another.

Does anyone know what the HDR10 base layer to 2001 was mastered at? I'm guessing it's 1000 nits again, given that the DV enhancement layer has more than just metadata.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Does anyone know what the HDR10 base layer to 2001 was mastered at? I'm guessing it's 1000 nits again, given that the DV enhancement layer has more than just metadata.

2001 has a 1000 nits container for HDR10

Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.2020
Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
Mastering display color primaries        : BT.2020
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2
Maximum Content Light Level              : 992 cd/m2
Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 282 cd/m2