First Blood / Rambo: First Blood Part II / Rambo III 4K UHDs (1982-1988)

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by rocknblues81

Both cuts.

Not happening, not from Lionsgate.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Not happening, not from Lionsgate.

Oh I so hope it's the director's cut, just this once.

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Oh I so hope it's the director's cut, just this once.

If it's anything like "Law Abiding Citizen" that director's cut will be on a nice 1080p disc.

[monstermidget]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Apparently it was restored by Eclair Paris and they've got themselves a lil' bit of a reputation of doing the same things as Ritrovita, e.g. treating contrast like a dirty word. I didn't mind the colour though as I can seemingly tolerate 'too green' more than I can 'too yellow'.

Thanks for the info Geoff....yup they were definitely giving it a bit of Ritrovita lite on this one.
Generally i found the colour wasn't too bad here really but once I got it in my head it might be a RItro-grade I dialled back the temp a note to pull a little of Lil' that yellow out of the whites.
The contrast mishandling and grey green blacks are the main things stopping this one from being an out and out winner for me.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Dailyan

If it's anything like "Law Abiding Citizen" that director's cut will be on a nice 1080p disc.

Sony could do their own disc

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by monstermidget

Thanks for the info Geoff....yup they were definitely giving it a bit of Ritrovita lite on this one.
Generally i found the colour wasn't too bad here really but once I got it in my head it might be a RItro-grade I dialled back the temp a note to pull a little of Lil' that yellow out of the whites.
The contrast mishandling and grey green blacks are the main things stopping this one from being an out and out winner for me.

The yellow is definitely there too in the whites, even on the newly added StudioCanal logo at the beginning, but that it stays in the whites is one reason why I don't run away screaming from it, the whole image hasn't suffered from PisstaVision. It's been given a touch of KermitVision instead in the mids and darker tones, and for whatever reasons I find that more palatable.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

The movie itself definitely has thin blacks.

But I’m not talking about the blacks within the film itself. I actually didn’t notice any raised blacks in the letterbox bars on First Blood. Only noticed the issue with Part II. III looked fine, too.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

But I’m not talking about the blacks within the film itself. I actually didn’t notice any raised blacks in the letterbox bars on First Blood. Only noticed the issue with Part II. III looked fine, too.

Like Geoff said, it's probably more obvious to you on an OLED that the bars are raised. My black bars get pretty damn black thanks to FALD, but OLED's would still be blacker.

[Geoff D]

Is your TV FALD or edge lit, Velvs?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Is your TV FALD or edge lit, Velvs?

It's technically edge-lit though they still say FALD in some of the literature, so I use that as shorthand (though I guess I shouldn't). Lesser local dimming is definitely the set's main drawback compared to more expensive LEDs like yours, but I didn't care at the time because I used a bias light which made it rather irrelevant.

I tried it out in a pure dark room a couple months ago though and was surprised to see the local dimming was improved a lot since I bought it, I guess through firmware. I know I did tests when I got it and saw a lot of blooming, but I pretty much never see it now except when there's bright white letters in the center of black, i.e. opening credits. Black bars are always stone black (for an LED), I assume because those edges are off or whatever.

I am tempted to go back to bias lighting though, to eliminate the opening credits issue and give me eyes a rest.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

"I have an OLED so I don't notice raised blacks" is a new one on me.

[Bourne1886]

Well the 4K of First Blood is miles better than the included Blu-ray. The Blu-ray is horrible. I think the German Blu-ray from the white trilogy digibox box set is better. Even though the HDR is subtle on the 4k it really improves the murkiness of the Blu-ray.

[Geoff D]

Pretty sure that's the original Lionsgate Blu-ray, not a remaster, so it's no wonder it looks awful in comparison.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by monstermidget

Thanks for the info Geoff....yup they were definitely giving it a bit of Ritrovita lite on this one.
Generally i found the colour wasn't too bad here really but once I got it in my head it might be a RItro-grade I dialled back the temp a note to pull a little of Lil' that yellow out of the whites.
The contrast mishandling and grey green blacks are the main things stopping this one from being an out and out winner for me.

Why do you keep calling it Ritrovita?

The name is L'Immagine Ritrovata (The Recovered Image)

[Geoff D]

Because that's an arseache to keep typing out whenever we have cause to complain about them, which happens a lot.

[jh901]

I miss black bars.

[monstermidget]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Why do you keep calling it Ritrovita?

The name is L'Immagine Ritrovata (The Recovered Image)

I misspelled it...once, I do apologies for upsetting your delicate sensibilities old chap.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Because that's an arseache to keep typing out whenever we have cause to complain about them, which happens a lot.

And it's why I invented Pisstavision as shorthand.

As in...

- 'I say, is this the work of L'Immagine Ritrovata?'

- 'Why, yes, old chap, it's a Pisstavision presentation.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Like Geoff said, it's probably more obvious to you on an OLED that the bars are raised. My black bars get pretty damn black thanks to FALD, but OLED's would still be blacker.

I don't think people are correctly reporting what 'elevated blacks' actually means.

I have an OLED, and the letterbox bars on my B6 remain perfectly pitch black. When I referred to the elevated blacks in the UHD for First Blood, I was clearly talking about the fact that during darker scenes in the film, they weren't interested in making the image look 'punchy' or contrast heavy. It's not an issue for me at all.

In fact, by having a set with self-emitting pixel technology, I've never had issues with discs that have elevated blacks. The image doesn't look 'washed out' or anything along those lines, just soft, which I'm sure is the intention, anyway.

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by jh901

I miss black bars.

Not sure why. They’re black on my E6 on all three of these discs, albeit with the second movie lowered by two brightness numbers.