I'm sick of hearing that HD DVD is "winning"

[msallaq]

wow JTK ur Awesome r u mod?

[Footloose301]

Originally Posted by Manco

I just find it pathetic that they are willing to flood the market with a bunch of players like this when the mass majority of people trying to get on-board with HiDef don't fully understand 720p vs. 1080i vs. 1080p.

Once they get this so called "low cost" unit home and start going on boards looking for more info on HT setups or whatever, they'll eventually figure out they have been "dupped" when their HDTV can do 1080p but their HD-DUD player is only 1080i capable.

How can they support taking money from people like this? Highway robbery. Unbelievable

Its the same thing each company does actually. Just like XBOX360 core system without a HD and the premium for $100 with a HD. And like Sony with the PS3 and the 20GB vs 60GB for $100 more, and Ford trucks with their gas vs. diesel and Apple's iPhone 4GB vs. 8GB for $100 more..... same concept. Every manufacturer looks for ways to get people that don't want to spend a lot and then also has something that is superior to it for those that will spend the extra money or even possibly convince the people to spend that extra $100 for the superior product. Then people bring home the product and see that their xbox360 can't play certain games or go certain places, or their PS3 is filling up too quickly, or their iPhone doesn't hold enough music for their trip, or that their brand new heavy duty truck isn't capable of pulling their trailer with a gas engine and that they needed to spend $8k more to pull 4000lbs more...... same thing IMHO.

[Manco]

Originally Posted by Footloose301

Its the same thing each company does actually. Just like XBOX360 core system without a HD and the premium for $100 with a HD. And like Sony with the PS3 and the 20GB vs 60GB for $100 more, and Ford trucks with their gas vs. diesel and Apple's iPhone 4GB vs. 8GB for $100 more..... same concept. Every manufacturer looks for ways to get people that don't want to spend a lot and then also has something that is superior to it for those that will spend the extra money or even possibly convince the people to spend that extra $100 for the superior product.

Oh absolutely. But the execs at Tosh really do understand that people are completely uneducated in this area. And they are deliberately just pushing something cheap to "dupe" people so they can "win the war". It's sickening to me. In your examples, buyers are more in touch with the realities of those buying decisions.

[Xerious]

whilst i understand for the most part why toshiba released a 1080i machine, what i don't understand is that at the 3G interation they are still releasing 1080i max machines... it's like their combo discs... they assume that people want to slowly integrate themselves into the HD world... AFAIAC, you either are all in or all out... there's no half assing it (ahem, M$ and your add ons and, elites)...

and ^^ i totally agree... not only does their HD-DVD confuse customers who are illinformed but the fact that they slip in the i behind the 1080 and mask it as a cheaper hidef unit.... dispicable... this is why i abhor anything with the name toshiba branded on it.

[grognard66]

Originally Posted by JTK

No, he's someone that hates deliberate lies.

It's called having integrity. Look it up sometime.

Funny that you're so concerned about Toshiba's "lies" but don't have a problem with Sony's. Did you have a problem when Sony issued the fake news release saying Target was only carrying Blu-Ray this Holiday Season when in fact Target only signed an agreement with Sony for Blu-Ray endcaps in stores?

I have both formats (PS3 and 360 add-on) and think they both look and sound great on my somewhat modest setup. However, I prefer the features HD-DVD currently offers over Blu-Ray (dual-format, in-movie experience, etc.) which is why I have 4 Blu-Rays and 12 HD-DVD's. I'm just a gadget geek and am agnostic about the whole thing and can't fathom why some people see this as some epic battle between good and evil.

To be perfectly honest, I expect both formats to fail miserably as I suspect downloadable movie services will prevail over both of these formats in the long run.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by msallaq

wow JTK ur Awesome r u mod?

Nope.

Originally Posted by grognard66

Funny that you're so concerned about Toshiba's "lies" but don't have a problem with Sony's. Did you have a problem when Sony issued the fake news release saying Target was only carrying Blu-Ray this Holiday Season when in fact Target only signed an agreement with Sony for Blu-Ray endcaps in stores?

Any proof of this stuff?

I have both formats (PS3 and 360 add-on) and think they both look and sound great on my somewhat modest setup. However, I prefer the features HD-DVD currently offers over Blu-Ray (dual-format, in-movie experience, etc.) which is why I have 4 Blu-Rays and 12 HD-DVD's. I'm just a gadget geek and am agnostic about the whole thing and can't fathom why some people see this as some epic battle between good and evil.

Lurk around a while and maybe you'll learn something, although I don't think you'll see anyone here disagree with you about how good looking most of that stuff is all the way around.

To be perfectly honest, I expect both formats to fail miserably as I suspect downloadable movie services will prevail over both of these formats in the long run.

Very unlikely.

Until you get FIOS like setups up in the mountains and out in the boondocks and it costs a lot less than $50 on average...you can forget this.

[msallaq]

Originally Posted by grognard66

Funny that you're so concerned about Toshiba's "lies" but don't have a problem with Sony's. Did you have a problem when Sony issued the fake news release saying Target was only carrying Blu-Ray this Holiday Season when in fact Target only signed an agreement with Sony for Blu-Ray endcaps in stores?

I have both formats (PS3 and 360 add-on) and think they both look and sound great on my somewhat modest setup. However, I prefer the features HD-DVD currently offers over Blu-Ray (dual-format, in-movie experience, etc.) which is why I have 4 Blu-Rays and 12 HD-DVD's. I'm just a gadget geek and am agnostic about the whole thing and can't fathom why some people see this as some epic battle between good and evil.

To be perfectly honest, I expect both formats to fail miserably as I suspect downloadable movie services will prevail over both of these formats in the long run.

u need to go to ur shitty hd dvd forum i hope u get banned from here.

[Xerious]

Originally Posted by grognard66

Funny that you're so concerned about Toshiba's "lies" but don't have a problem with Sony's. Did you have a problem when Sony issued the fake news release saying Target was only carrying Blu-Ray this Holiday Season when in fact Target only signed an agreement with Sony for Blu-Ray endcaps in stores?

I have both formats (PS3 and 360 add-on) and think they both look and sound great on my somewhat modest setup. However, I prefer the features HD-DVD currently offers over Blu-Ray (dual-format, in-movie experience, etc.) which is why I have 4 Blu-Rays and 12 HD-DVD's. I'm just a gadget geek and am agnostic about the whole thing and can't fathom why some people see this as some epic battle between good and evil.

To be perfectly honest, I expect both formats to fail miserably as I suspect downloadable movie services will prevail over both of these formats in the long run.

yeah... okay... good luck toting your xbox around everywhere... hopelly by the time you get to where you're going it wouldn't have RRoD on ya or have your disc drive funk out on ya.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by msallaq

u need to go to ur shitty hd dvd forum i hope u get banned from here.

Hmmm...blunt yet to the point.

I like you.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by grognard66

Funny that you're so concerned about Toshiba's "lies" but don't have a problem with Sony's. Did you have a problem when Sony issued the fake news release saying Target was only carrying Blu-Ray this Holiday Season when in fact Target only signed an agreement with Sony for Blu-Ray endcaps in stores?

I have both formats (PS3 and 360 add-on) and think they both look and sound great on my somewhat modest setup. However, I prefer the features HD-DVD currently offers over Blu-Ray (dual-format, in-movie experience, etc.) which is why I have 4 Blu-Rays and 12 HD-DVD's. I'm just a gadget geek and am agnostic about the whole thing and can't fathom why some people see this as some epic battle between good and evil.

To be perfectly honest, I expect both formats to fail miserably as I suspect downloadable movie services will prevail over both of these formats in the long run.

lol, the highdefforum fools and HD DVD fanatics weren't joking when they said they'd invade blu-ray.com to start crapping. I would have expected a slightly better attempt though, this is pathetic.

[msallaq]

Originally Posted by JTK

Hmmm...blunt yet to the point.

I like you.

tnanx JTK i'll do anything for blu ray.

[Josh]

Originally Posted by grognard66

To be perfectly honest, I expect both formats to fail miserably as I suspect downloadable movie services will prevail over both of these formats in the long run.

If you expect both formats to fail, why did you purchase them? Isn't that the same as cutting your arm off, knowing that you have nothing to gain and everything to lose?

[phil]

Well maybe he wants to keep his films, something physical you know? The whole downloading thing is convinent and easy but when you're spending money you'd always like to have something in your hands right? But he's not the only one that thinks both formats are going to die, I think I remember a Gamespot interview where one of the REviewers in there said that he too felt like both were going to die.

[Manco]

Originally Posted by grognard66

To be perfectly honest, I expect both formats to fail miserably as I suspect downloadable movie services will prevail over both of these formats in the long run.

Good. You can be the beta tester. Have you read the miserable experiences with AT&T's UVerse roll out? Yeah, this will be reality in like 15 years. In the meantime, we're looking for something we can do today right now with existing technology. For most of us that's Blu-ray.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by phil

Well maybe he wants to keep his films, something physical you know? The whole downloading thing is convinent and easy but when you're spending money you'd always like to have something in your hands right?

There's definitely that factor. A lot of people feel that way.

...But he's not the only one that thinks both formats are going to die, I think I remember a Gamespot interview where one of the REviewers in there said that he too felt like both were going to die.

I just don't see it. Usually you see those opinions put out there and they're backed up by little to nothing of substance.

Even if Microsoft gets their way for a while and keeps HD-DVD alive to keep the market splintered and slowed down...I just don't see it for AT LEAST another decade, if not more.

They have to figure out how to get high bandwidth, uber fast Internet out to the mountains and boondocks and have it cost a lot less then what it costs today.

When these things finally happen, then I can start to maybe believe it, but certainly not before.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by grognard66

Funny that you're so concerned about Toshiba's "lies" but don't have a problem with Sony's. Did you have a problem when Sony issued the fake news release saying Target was only carrying Blu-Ray this Holiday Season when in fact Target only signed an agreement with Sony for Blu-Ray endcaps in stores?

I have both formats (PS3 and 360 add-on) and think they both look and sound great on my somewhat modest setup. However, I prefer the features HD-DVD currently offers over Blu-Ray (dual-format, in-movie experience, etc.) which is why I have 4 Blu-Rays and 12 HD-DVD's. I'm just a gadget geek and am agnostic about the whole thing and can't fathom why some people see this as some epic battle between good and evil.

To be perfectly honest, I expect both formats to fail miserably as I suspect downloadable movie services will prevail over both of these formats in the long run.

Let me get out the checklist.

Sony are liars. Check.
I'm agnostic. Check.
HD DVD is better because of combos and extras. Check.
Both formats will fail. Check.
Downloads will rule. Check.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Let me get out the checklist.

Sony are liars. Check.
I'm agnostic. Check.
HD DVD is better because of combos and extras. Check.
Both formats will fail. Check.
Downloads will rule. Check.

Classic MO.

[phil]

Manco take it easy, I think many of the users in here are PS3, and that's a no brainer but I don't think you guys are taking into consideration that many of the xbox users (Myself Included) download movies on market place for like 3 dollars or so in HD format. Catch is we can only keep the movies for 24 hours, but I happen to like movies so much that if I like the film I'll buy it, but truthfully speaking I'd like to watch everything in HD format but I can't afford to buy a BAD movie for 30 dollars. So I have to test it out, via download, and then if I like it I'll happily buy it.

[msallaq]

Originally Posted by Manco

Good. You can be the beta tester. Have you read the miserable experiences with AT&T's UVerse roll out? Yeah, this will be reality in like 15 years. In the meantime, we're looking for something we can do today right now with existing technology. For most of us that's Blu-ray.

i agree with you.

[Jim L]

It's funny how every time a poster says that he/she is "neutral" or "agnostic" about the formats, it turns out that they are very biased towards H-DUD.