CES 2019 speculation & the facts

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by samlop10

Yeah, I mean, it’s possible the actual consumer units will be better, but at this point blooming should not be a noticeable thing in a premium model given the current technology available. I mean, seriously, miniLED is already possible and Sony is still focusing on features for marketing purposes while actual improvements in PQ seem to be bottom priority. I wonder how their selling numbers are with the Z9F.

I’m not saying the Z9G should’ve had 10,000+ zones (not that I would have complained), but at the same time, it doesn’t sound like it has many more than the Z9D, which the biggest model barely had 1,000 zones. Now Vizio just announced a model with 480 zones and Sony can’t even seem to go past 1,000 on their premium models. Like I said, hopefully the consumer units are better, but so far this is just disappointing. At this point, ~3,000 zones should be entirely feasible on consumer displays.

It really bothers me that something like wider viewing angles (but also streaming and other so called "smart" related things) get such attention and priority. All I really need my TV to be is a no nonsense monitor with the best possible picture quality available for it. I wish every manufacturer would have at least one such TV available in their lineup.

Another thing I will have to deal with at some point eventually, is the lack of 3D on whatever TV I might end up with in the future.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by DJR662

It really bothers me that something like wider viewing angles (but also streaming and other so called "smart" related things) get such attention and priority. All I really need my TV to be is a no nonsense monitor with the best possible picture quality available for it. I wish every manufacturer would have at least one such TV available in their lineup.

Another thing I will have to deal with at some point eventually, is the lack of 3D on whatever TV I might end up with in the future.

Completely agree.

As far as 3D goes, I’ve resigned myself to either get a projector in the future for 3D movies or get a good VR set. Really sad companies got rid of 3D on TVs since some films (like Gravity, Avatar, etc.) really benefit from it. But c’est la vie, I guess.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by samlop10

Completely agree.

As far as 3D goes, I’ve resigned myself to either get a projector in the future for 3D movies or get a good VR set. Really sad companies got rid of 3D on TVs since some films (like Gravity, Avatar, etc.) really benefit from it. But c’est la vie, I guess.

Watching 3D movies on a VR set will never be able to replace a TV or projector IMO. Ofcourse the PSVR is purely technically speaking the least capable, but I can't imagine watching a full movie on any other VR headset will be that much better and more comfortable for that matter (if it is actually possible on other VR sets as well that is).

You probably can imagine my irritation the past couple of years, because of TV manufacturers adding one useless feature after another on their TVs, while omitting the one feature that actually holds importance to me (3D).

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Watching 3D movies on a VR set will never be able to replace a TV or projector IMO. Ofcourse the PSVR is purely technically speaking the least capable, but I can't imagine watching a full movie on any other VR headset will be that much better and more comfortable for that matter (if it is actually possible on other VR sets as well that is).

You probably can imagine my irritation the past couple of years, because of TV manufacturers adding one useless feature after another on their TVs, while omitting the one feature that actually holds importance to me (3D).

Agreed. I watch 3D movies with my girlfriend. How exactly would a headset replace that experience?

Originally Posted by i_max2k2

I think 3d might make a comeback if Avataar sequels get big (as in rake in a ton of money), given they are released in 3d, which seems very likely, just like the first time when they pushed 3D to become more mainstream.

I'm still holding on tight to my E6, and perhaps I'll get an upgrade with the 2nd/3rd gen HDMI 2.1 Oleds which might get brighter then 1000 nits or some.

I doubt Avatar will have any impact. Avatar was huge because it was an early example of 3D done right (mostly). There's many great 3D films released these days that have 3D just as good as Avatar imo, or better. Some of the Disney Marvel 3D films have some pretty stunning depth to them, for example. If those aren't triggering the manufactures to reconsider 3D, I doubt a new Avatar film will. In fact, Disney doesn't even release their 3D Marvel films on 3D blu-ray in the US any more - you have to import them. And Cameron has no interest in home 3D apparently - look at the disaster Terminator 2 3D was on 3D blu-ray. A fantastic 3D conversion, not even released in the US, and Cameron obviously didn't care one bit.

Originally Posted by Castor18

Have all manufacturers completely abandoned plans to resurrect a 3D tv lineup on their upcoming models?
With many highly popular movies been released in 3D in recent months abroad and some domestic as well, if LG or Sony could work on new 3d OLED models, they would most likely face a substantial demand.
What is the insurmountable obstacle to stop them from manufacturing 3d sets again, other than not being the most popular displays?

Yeah, I'm absolutely disgusted at how the manufacturers have crapped all over 3D, and especially LG, who had by far the best 3D tech, especially on their UHD models. It's unforgivable imo to drop support on a display of a format that is still in wide support by the studios. It's actually mind-boggling. There is simply no good reason for dropping 3D support from TVs, other than them throwing a hissy fit that it wasn't the huge selling point they wanted it to be, and their desire to push UHD. I asked for a UHD player for Christmas but honestly I feel dirty about it, supporting a new format and rewarding the manufacturers for killing off a format in current use. If anything happens to my current 3D UHD TV, I'm screwed because I'll never be able to watch my 3D collection again it seems. The manufacturers don't deserve anybody trusting them with another format. How do I know they won't drop HDR as soon as they decide it's not worth it to them any longer, like 3D?

Sorry for the rant. I imagine that if LG had announced a new 3D UHD model this year, they would have had no problems selling it based on the 3D feature alone.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Agreed. I watch 3D movies with my girlfriend. How exactly would a headset replace that experience?

Because now you could watch it with four girls (three virtual) and not get dumped.

Originally Posted by mar3o

There is simply no good reason for dropping 3D support from TVs, other than them throwing a hissy fit that it wasn't the huge selling point they wanted it to be

For a CEO though, that's pretty much the best reason.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

For a CEO though, that's pretty much the best reason.

Indeed, it seems. Though dropping a must-own feature is reason enough to not buy their product. Have they considered that? Many 3D fans are now waiting on buying a new set, hoping they will release a new 3D set at some point. I mean, people still have huge collections of 3D movies they don't want to part with.

Motion interpolation is not a feature I see tons of people asking for, and most people on these sites turn it off immediately and never look back. They certainly aren't buying their TV for that feature. Yet I don't see them dropping that feature.

Dropping 3D support on TVs while it's still being supported by the studios was a kick in the groin to everyone who has been supporting the format. If a TV can't display a current format, there's a major issue somewhere.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Indeed, it seems. Though dropping a must-own feature is reason enough to not buy their product. Have they considered that? Many 3D fans are now waiting on buying a new set, hoping they will release a new 3D set at some point. I mean, people still have huge collections of 3D movies they don't want to part with.

Motion interpolation is not a feature I see tons of people asking for, and most people on these sites turn it off immediately and never look back. They certainly aren't buying their TV for that feature. Yet I don't see them dropping that feature.

Dropping 3D support on TVs while it's still being supported by the studios was a kick in the groin to everyone who has been supporting the format. If a TV can't display a current format, there's a major issue somewhere.

I don't know the numbers, but you said in your previous post it wasn't a "huge selling point" so perhaps their definition of "many" differs from yours?

I imagine the implementation of motion interpolation/motion compensation circuitry is much cheaper than 3D, but again...I'm only guessing. I'd love to see the numbers, as it's the kind of thing I'm interested in.

Which came first, CE's dropping 3D tech from their TVs or motion picture houses dropping it from their BD releases? I have several 3D titles that I'm now only ever going to see in 2D as I upgraded from my VT60 3D plasma. Honestly though, most of my 3D was playing WipEoutHD. Awesome in 3D.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by DJR662

All I really need my TV to be is a no nonsense monitor with the best possible picture quality available for it. I wish every manufacturer would have at least one such TV available in their lineup.

Another thing I will have to deal with at some point eventually, is the lack of 3D on whatever TV I might end up with in the future.

At some point? You got a 75" ZD9 lol I mean, you'd imagine that is a 10 year set and you're 3 years in. Plenty of years for 3D support.

Wait for MicroLED to reach the prices you got the 75" at and you're golden for phase two of 4K bliss? Who knows the Avatar sequels might lure some manufacturers back into the fold for 2K 3D support again.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

At some point? You got a 75" ZD9 lol I mean, you'd imagine that is a 10 year set and you're 3 years in. Plenty of years for 3D support.

Wait for MicroLED to reach the prices you got the 75" at and you're golden for phase two of 4K bliss? Who knows the Avatar sequels might lure some manufacturers back into the fold for 2K 3D support again.

I really can't wait till the day they will anounce at CES that 3D will be "brought back", be it the old passive/active way or glasses free if they can figure out how to do it properly.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by DJR662

I really can't wait till the day they will anounce at CES that 3D will be "brought back", be it the old passive/active way or glasses free if they can figure out how to do it properly.

There was the CES 2019 demo I saw online. Still using animations.

Hologram At CES 2018 - YouTube

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DJR662

It really bothers me that something like wider viewing angles (but also streaming and other so called "smart" related things) get such attention and priority. All I really need my TV to be is a no nonsense monitor with the best possible picture quality available for it. I wish every manufacturer would have at least one such TV available in their lineup.

Another thing I will have to deal with at some point eventually, is the lack of 3D on whatever TV I might end up with in the future.

Yep yep yep yep. Could not give a flying **** about 'smart' features, I don't need a viewing angle so vast that I can view it from two doors down, I don't even need a TV tuner. Just gimme a display that's got PQ that's as badass as can be. Ta muchly

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by DJR662

It really bothers me that something like wider viewing angles (but also streaming and other so called "smart" related things) get such attention and priority. All I really need my TV to be is a no nonsense monitor with the best possible picture quality available for it. I wish every manufacturer would have at least one such TV available in their lineup.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep yep yep yep. Could not give a flying **** about 'smart' features, I don't need a viewing angle so vast that I can view it from two doors down, I don't even need a TV tuner. Just gimme a display that's got PQ that's as badass as can be. Ta muchly

I'd also like to see the same philosophy applied to the sound as well. As impressive as it is what Sony and the others do with the sound on their OLEDs for example, if someone is paying that much for a TV - and they care about audio - then chances are they already have, or are planning to get, an external solution. And a receiver + speakers (or a couple powered speakers for a simple 2.0 system), or even a good (by soundbar standards) soundbar is going to be superior to what the TV offers.

Could be cool to see TVs that focused on picture and picture alone, and then sales would prove whether there's a market for such a thing...

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I'd also like to see the same philosophy applied to the sound as well. As impressive as it is what Sony and the others do with the sound on their OLEDs for example, if someone is paying that much for a TV - and they care about audio - then chances are they already have, or are planning to get, an external solution. And a receiver + speakers (or a couple powered speakers for a simple 2.0 system), or even a good (by soundbar standards) soundbar is going to be superior to what the TV offers.

And this is why I skipped the Sony X940C in 2015.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep yep yep yep. Could not give a flying **** about 'smart' features, I don't need a viewing angle so vast that I can view it from two doors down, I don't even need a TV tuner. Just gimme a display that's got PQ that's as badass as can be. Ta muchly

Sony/LG/Panasonic OLED.

[LordoftheRings]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw0Y...ature=youtu.be

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