Black Panther 4K UHD (2018)

[cynatnite]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

12 Years a Slave also won, though Moonlight is a bit more of a big deal though because it had nothing to do with racism or slavery and was also an LGBT film. They’re both incredible movies, though.

I forgot about Moonlight. I need to see that one.

[cynatnite]

Originally Posted by Hunter4201

Being relatively new to movies I’ve never heard of the color purple, precious, or Selma until now. And what do you mean by “I don’t think you’re that at all”

I don't think you're an ignorant racist is what I meant.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

12 Years a Slave also won, though Moonlight is a bit more of a big deal though because it had nothing to do with racism or slavery and was also an LGBT film. They’re both incredible movies, though.

Right, thanks; forgot 12 Years a Slave somehow (another great movie, but so excruciating that I really don't think I'll ever watch it again). There were also other minority-led movies over the years (Gandhi, Slumdog Millionaire, probably others I'm forgetting). And In the Heat of the Night took on racism and won Best Picture (over The Graduate, no less) all the way back in 1967.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by Hunter4201

Being relatively new to movies I’ve never heard of the color purple, precious, or Selma until now.

If you’re that new then don’t make statements like “This was only nominated because...”. I mean, Selma came out only around 3 years ago.

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Right, thanks; forgot 12 Years a Slave somehow (another great movie, but so excruciating that I really don't think I'll ever watch it again). There were also other minority-led movies over the years (Gandhi, Slumdog Millionaire, probably others I'm forgetting). And In the Heat of the Night took on racism and won Best Picture (over The Graduate, no less) all the way back in 1967.

I forgot about ItHotN. Another great movie. Also love Slumdog.

[Hunter4201]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

If you’re that new then don’t make statements like “This was only nominated because...”. I mean, Selma came out only around 3 years ago

I got into movies around 5 years ago, but as I previously stated I haven’t followed the oscars in FOREVER, all I do now is look to see if some of my favorite films of the year got nominated and that’s about it

Edit: I have heard of Selma, I remember my history teaching showing us the recap of the oscars, and they sang a song from that movie on stage. I’ve just never seen it

[Mierzwiak]

Black Panther was nominated because of political reasons, simple as that.

Now it's all about politics, and Hollywood's virtue signalling is stronger than ever. Celebrities are throwing buzzwords like diversity, representation, woke, Nazi (I'm from Poland where millions of people lost their lives in Auschwitz, so seeing how word "Nazi" is being mindlessly used by ignorant idiots as a random insult makes me furious!!!) etc. and from the very beginning Black Panther was hyped as a milestone because of the ethnicity of its director and cast, for being first blackbuster.

Honestly? Yeah, rightly so, but on the other hand there's a difference between movie's importance and success, and how good it is. Of course it's all subjective, but to me Black Panther is a mediocre, reductive (Lion King did that story better, sorry) film with bad action scenes and even worse CGI. There's nothing exceptional about it from the cinematic point of view, not a single memorable idea, scene or dialogue. Nothing. If it's one of the best movies of the year as the nomination suggests, why no nomination for the screenplay and direction?

Logan deserved to be nominated for Best Picture because it's indeed a great MOVIE and that's what should be celebrated, not box office or skin color of the cast.

[BluProofie]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Black Panther was nominated because of political reasons, simple as that.

Now it's all about politics, and Hollywood's virtue signalling is stronger than ever. Celebrities are throwing buzzwords like diversity, representation, woke, Nazi (I'm from Poland where millions of people lost their lives in Auschwitz, so seeing how word "Nazi" is being mindlessly used by ignorant idiots as a random insult makes me furious!!!) etc. and from the very beginning Black Panther was hyped as a milestone because of the ethnicity of its director and cast, for being first blackbuster.

Honestly? Yeah, rightly so, but on the other hand there's a difference between movie's importance and success, and how good it is. Of course it's all subjective, but to me Black Panther is a mediocre, reductive (Lion King did that story better, sorry) film with bad action scenes and even worse CGI. There's nothing exceptional about it from the cinematic point of view, not a single memorable idea, scene or dialogue. Nothing. If it's one of the best movies of the year as the nomination suggests, why no nomination for the screenplay and direction?

Logan deserved to be nominated for Best Picture because it's indeed a great MOVIE and that's what should be celebrated, not box office or skin color of the cast.

The story of Logan was done a million times before as well. It didn’t really have anything new to say beyond doing it with a superhero and Mangold’s superb direction.

[cynatnite]

Originally Posted by Hunter4201

I got into movies around 5 years ago, but as I previously stated I haven’t followed the oscars in FOREVER, all I do now is look to see if some of my favorite films of the year got nominated and that’s about it

Edit: I have heard of Selma, I remember my history teaching showing us the recap of the oscars, and they sang a song from that movie on stage. I’ve just never seen it

It really does help to widen your exposure to a variety of movies. I come here not just for the tech discussions, I'm pretty weak with those, but for the love of films, going back to silent movies to the current ones. I also come here because movies I otherwise wouldn't have heard of, they get talked about quite a bit here.

I especially want my favorites in the best possible quality to further my love and appreciation for them.

[imsounoriginal]

People call Black Panther "cookie cutter" or "just another Marvel movie," but I have yet to hear or read anything that actually substantiates this. It's not just another origin story, it's not just another "the world is ending" movie, and other than a throwaway reference to Civil War at the very beginning and a brief scene after the credits, it's pretty much completely standalone.

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Man I need watch Get Out again. Such a great looking title. Haven’t watched it on my OLED yet.

Yeah it is such a good film. It was actually one of those films, I realize, that my interest in it went down so much when I heard all the oscar hype (it is unintentional, but my immediate reaction to any movie getting critical academy hype is to be 50% less interested).

[cynatnite]

Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Black Panther was nominated because of political reasons, simple as that.

Now it's all about politics, and Hollywood's virtue signalling is stronger than ever. Celebrities are throwing buzzwords like diversity, representation, woke, Nazi (I'm from Poland where millions of people lost their lives in Auschwitz, so seeing how word "Nazi" is being mindlessly used by ignorant idiots as a random insult makes me furious!!!) etc. and from the very beginning Black Panther was hyped as a milestone because of the ethnicity of its director and cast, for being first blackbuster.

Honestly? Yeah, rightly so, but on the other hand there's a difference between movie's importance and success, and how good it is. Of course it's all subjective, but to me Black Panther is a mediocre, reductive (Lion King did that story better, sorry) film with bad action scenes and even worse CGI. There's nothing exceptional about it from the cinematic point of view, not a single memorable idea, scene or dialogue. Nothing. If it's one of the best movies of the year as the nomination suggests, why no nomination for the screenplay and direction?

Logan deserved to be nominated for Best Picture because it's indeed a great MOVIE and that's what should be celebrated, not box office or skin color of the cast.

Seriously, that is not why Black Panther was critically acclaimed and the huge hit that it was. And comparing to to an animated film that had nothing to do with the movie (other than it being on the same continent) is just flat out wrong.

One of the things that made it stand out from the rest was that BP was about a country that was untouched by western colonialism. No one was abducted for slavery, it had zero influence from the outside from the global corporate world. Wakanda was a country that grew on it's own without any influences from the outside world. Part of the reason they isolated themselves was because of what was happening on their own continent.

The result of that decision is what led up to the events with Killmonger. The king's brother saw what was happening to his own people in Oakland which was rife with gang violence and police brutality. He was killed and his son was left behind to live in that all the while knowing that he had a country and a family that abandoned him. He lived in the very environment that had been subjugating and oppressing his people for centuries all the while knowing that he came from a land untouched by that.

It's no wonder that he sought to fight for his place there through any means necessary. He only knew one world. When he finally arrives at Wakanda, he's still rejected and scorned. Everyone wants to deny who he is and his place there. They want to remain in the dark and isolated from the truth much like Wakanda did in it's early days. The duality of this can't be missed, IMO.

In the end, when Killmonger is dying and T'Challa is sitting with him, both came to understand their place. T'Challa sees that along with the death of his cousin, Wakanda can no longer be an isolated country. That had to die as well.

I don't get why this is dismissed so easily. The layers of subtext, the duality of the stories, the character arcs and how well it was seamed together makes this a good movie.

People need to stop acting like this is an apology movie to black people.

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by cynatnite

Seriously, that is not why Black Panther was critically acclaimed and the huge hit that it was. And comparing to to an animated film that had nothing to do with the movie (other than it being on the same continent) is just flat out wrong.

One of the things that made it stand out from the rest was that BP was about a country that was untouched by western colonialism. No one was abducted for slavery, it had zero influence from the outside from the global corporate world. Wakanda was a country that grew on it's own without any influences from the outside world. Part of the reason they isolated themselves was because of what was happening on their own continent.

The result of that decision is what led up to the events with Killmonger. The king's brother saw what was happening to his own people in Oakland which was rife with gang violence and police brutality. He was killed and his son was left behind to live in that all the while knowing that he had a country and a family that abandoned him. He lived in the very environment that had been subjugating and oppressing his people for centuries all the while knowing that he came from a land untouched by that.

It's no wonder that he sought to fight for his place there through any means necessary. He only knew one world. When he finally arrives at Wakanda, he's still rejected and scorned. Everyone wants to deny who he is and his place there. They want to remain in the dark and isolated from the truth much like Wakanda did in it's early days. The duality of this can't be missed, IMO.

In the end, when Killmonger is dying and T'Challa is sitting with him, both came to understand their place. T'Challa sees that along with the death of his cousin, Wakanda can no longer be an isolated country. That had to die as well.

I don't get why this is dismissed so easily. The layers of subtext, the duality of the stories, the character arcs and how well it was seamed together makes this a good movie.

People need to stop acting like this is an apology movie to black people.

Honestly, I was more siding with most of Killmonger and definitely understood why (and why the whole marvel concept of Wakanda to me seems off). And he took the throne fair and square according to their rules... What happened after, including how it turned out, just has me scratching my head on what the theme / moral point was. Just grey.

[cynatnite]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

Honestly, I was more siding with most of Killmonger and definitely understood why (and why the whole marvel concept of Wakanda to me seems off). And he took the throne fair and square according to their rules... What happened after, including how it turned out, just has me scratching my head on what the theme / moral point was. Just grey.

Despite Killmonger winning the throne, everyone knew that he was out for blood and he would take his hate out on the rest of the world for the wrongs done against him. He was going to take Wakanda on the same path that he'd been on through most of his life. The difference is, Wakanda likely wouldn't survive it.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by cynatnite

People need to stop acting like this is an apology movie to black people.

I've seen Black Panther so your plot summarize is pointless to me and nothing you wrote makes this movie other-than-MTV award worthy.
Some themes might be interesting on paper, but to me they're barely touched or shallowly executed. It would be much better movie if it focused more about confrontation of characters and ideas, not about awful CGI battles and fights.

[cooney]

Every year, it seems like one or two films get nominated that don’t really deserve it. (But I mean, this is all subjective anyway so who’s to say?) Sometimes they’re blockbusters that had a cultural impact. Avatar was groundbreaking but it’s not hard to find its flaws. I still get the nomination. The merits of The Martian, Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close, The Blind Side, The War Horse, and American Sniper all come to mind as being debatable. But you can’t slap virtue signaling on those because they’re mostly made up of white people (and blue people and a horse). When there are routinely head scratcher nominations, why does Black Panther need to get an extra level of scrutiny?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by cooney

When there are routinely head scratcher nominations, why does Black Panther need to get an extra level of scrutiny?

There's a lot of reasons, depending on the person. Some of them are probably icky reasons, but there are valid reasons to eyeroll over it too.

[imsounoriginal]

Watched this again last night. Still awesome.

Anyone notice some very faint banding during the credits? Not during the scroll, just the initial part before the first post-credit scene. Thought I saw some when the colors changed a few times, but nothing major by any means.

[cooney]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Watched this again last night. Still awesome.

Anyone notice some very faint banding during the credits? Not during the scroll, just the initial part before the first post-credit scene. Thought I saw some when the colors changed a few times, but nothing major by any means.

I just watched it again too. A co-worker, whose thoughts on movies I appreciate, really dislikes Black Panther. I wasn’t sure if it was a typical hot take or something more thoughtful. I still enjoy this movie. All of my gripes with it apply most of the Marvel franchise and a lot of current blockbusters in general which I can get over.

And yeah, I noticed that issue with some of the color gradations as well. Agree, not a huge deal.

[Rizor]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Just settled in to watch this...and I had to turn it off after 10 minutes because the black levels are completely ****ed. Disney have done EXACTLY what they did with Guardians 2 on UHD, they've pulled down the black levels considerably and it crushes the shadows to shit. Right from the opening scene in the Oakland apartment it just looked wrong, with blacks that pervade the image and consume everything around them and make the bright spots stand out far too much on a backlit LCD display (all the power windows on people's faces are horribly obvious) and it leaves behind the exact same rusty tint that I saw on JPs 2 and 3. I can imagine this looking better on an OLED because this grade doesn't do a subtle gradation from light to dark, it just nukes anything that's even close to black and without the backlighting artefacts it will look tidier for sure. But as it is, on my ZD9, this is a crushing disappointment for me.

Popping in the Blu to compare it shows an SDR grade that already has beautifully deep darks but which doesn't crush anything like as badly what this HDR grade does, instantly the apartment scene look so much better balanced with a far more natural roll off into black, and the less said about the forest ambush in HDR the better. The problem is that the HDR is pulling down a black level that is ALREADY reaching absolute black throughout the movie and so it can only crush what's there even further. I was SO looking forward to this but...ugh.

When Infinity War comes out then I don't care what ratio the UHD is in or whether the sound has been Atmoused, if they pull this shit again with the black levels then I'm out.

A bit late, but I decided to give the 4K disc a watch instead of attending the free cinema screenings. And I came to this thread to see if anyone had brought up the black crush on this disc. The casino scene in particular is really bad - just look at everyone's hair. There's a pretty bad shot of Okoye at 43:35 where her wig looks like a cartoon. Many of the scenes that suffer the most from the poor black levels are already very dark. I was trying to turn down the brightness on my display to eliminate all the funky black crush artifacts, but then I could barely see anything!

The Blu-ray looks much more balanced during these darker scenes.

Here's a quick comparison of the Okoye shot that I took with my phone. Not really accurate with regards to brightness, contrast, saturation, but gets the black crush across.

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[StingingVelvet]

The raised brightness shots show it off, so yes it's there, but I've watched the disc three times and it's never bothered me in motion. Geoffy gonna read that and roll his eyes, but it is what it is.