Sony UBP-X700 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[Steven11788]

I had update player. Saw vision logo thanks guys it working.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

But sending compressed video signal through HDMI would make more sense regarding the decoding inside the TV as it would do a custom processing for the panel it has, with uncompressed video over HDMI the player can not custom decode or do the best chroma upsampling for example as it doesn't know what kind of panel the video signal will ended up displayed, apart from detecting HDR, Dolby Vision and video resolution via HDMI handshake. And I don't think these decoding chips can be so expensive if some brands can make decent looking UHD BD players that feature this circuitry for around 100 US $. Panasonic UHD BD player can customize video decoding but some of them are not cheap and you're not going to match one of these with a cheap TV set.
In my opinion there should be the option of video being sent over HDMI both in a compressed and uncompressed form.

It's different silicon that ends up in a player though, it's not designed to turn electriconic signals back into light and squirt them through a panel of whatever type which is why it's cheaper than TV chippery. And again, "custom processing" means more complexity in the end product which is already applying 1001 different processing doohickies to the image as it is. Not saying that they couldn't do it, but that ship has sailed mate.

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's different silicon that ends up in a player though, it's not designed to turn electriconic signals back into light and squirt them through a panel of whatever type which is why it's cheaper than TV chippery. And again, "custom processing" means more complexity in the end product which is already applying 1001 different processing doohickies to the image as it is. Not saying that they couldn't do it, but that ship has sailed mate.

Iknow that ship has sailed and I think it's unfortunate, having the two options, uncompressed and compressed video over HDMI would have been great, I think it'd have added a level of flexibility and picture customization,not only to one's tastes, that can be done already, an optimization that I think we don't have today. HEVC (or AVC) has to be decompressed somewhere, why not do it inside the TV? Look at streaming, video decompression is done INSIDE the TV if you use your set's app. I've compared Netflix picture quality playing House Of Cards and Altered Carbon on HDR10 by my Sony X-800 (with no DNR for streaming and video output set to 4:4:4 and Native Resolution) and by my mid range 49" Samsung set and both series look better using the TV's app. There may be plenty of reasons for this, maybe Chroma Upsampling is done on a single step using the TV's app (all video signal must end as RGB) instead of receiving the 4:2:0 native signal from Netflix on the X-800, let it do its own chroma upsampling, either 4:2:2 or 4:4:4, send the decompressed video signal through HDMI so it gets in the TV (this may add jitter) and then the TV has to do another step of chroma upsampling so the 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 video signal fed by the player has to be converted to RGB to feed it to the panel.
If you have any UHD BD remux on mkv I suggest you to do this test: connect the HDD or flash drive where the UHD BD remux is to your TV's USB port and play it with the TV's built in player (I know unless you have HDMI 2.1 I think you will loose lossless audio, but we are talking about video here), then play the UHD BD remux with your UHD BD player, needless to say this must be connected to the same TV as before. Pay good atention to picture quality in both cases and check what you see...

[Socko]

I finally got some problems.
Last month I had two major freezes when I played something from USB. I had to unplug the powerchord as the player was not responding to any button pressing. Even turning it off wouldn't work.

And Jurassic Park: The Lost World (US Best Buy release) has two scene skips around 36 minutes and 92 minutes if I recall correctly. Can't tell if it is the disc since I own only one UHD player.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

If you have any UHD BD remux on mkv I suggest you to do this test: connect the HDD or flash drive where the UHD BD remux is to your TV's USB port and play it with the TV's built in player... then play the UHD BD remux with your UHD BD player, needless to say this must be connected to the same TV as before. Pay good atention to picture quality in both cases and check what you see...

I would hope there is little-to-no difference as I'm rocking a portion of my collection from my own remux for cost reason (time share of sort, and audio related customizing). And what I mean to say is there is little to no difference A wink a wink. A nudge a nudge.

I doubt i'll be doing this good attention paying

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by eddievanhalen

Iknow that ship has sailed and I think it's unfortunate, having the two options, uncompressed and compressed video over HDMI would have been great, I think it'd have added a level of flexibility and picture customization,not only to one's tastes, that can be done already, an optimization that I think we don't have today. HEVC (or AVC) has to be decompressed somewhere, why not do it inside the TV? Look at streaming, video decompression is done INSIDE the TV if you use your set's app. I've compared Netflix picture quality playing House Of Cards and Altered Carbon on HDR10 by my Sony X-800 (with no DNR for streaming and video output set to 4:4:4 and Native Resolution) and by my mid range 49" Samsung set and both series look better using the TV's app. There may be plenty of reasons for this, maybe Chroma Upsampling is done on a single step using the TV's app (all video signal must end as RGB) instead of receiving the 4:2:0 native signal from Netflix on the X-800, let it do its own chroma upsampling, either 4:2:2 or 4:4:4, send the decompressed video signal through HDMI so it gets in the TV (this may add jitter) and then the TV has to do another step of chroma upsampling so the 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 video signal fed by the player has to be converted to RGB to feed it to the panel.
If you have any UHD BD remux on mkv I suggest you to do this test: connect the HDD or flash drive where the UHD BD remux is to your TV's USB port and play it with the TV's built in player (I know unless you have HDMI 2.1 I think you will loose lossless audio, but we are talking about video here), then play the UHD BD remux with your UHD BD player, needless to say this must be connected to the same TV as before. Pay good atention to picture quality in both cases and check what you see...

My TV is awful at playing files, the interface is terrible and it doesn't recognise half of them anyway. But why does HDMI 2.1 pertain to a TV playing back lossless audio directly thru a USB? I don't use surround sound so it doesn't bother me if you're referring to eArc or whatever.

As for streaming, I don't do that either but I wouldn't take the two playback methods as being some smoking gun. Panasonic's streaming decoder in their players doesn't even output streaming in 24p (it's fixed at 60Hz) so I'm not surprised that there are differences in the silicon between TV and players, I've already said there is, and when you're dealing with such ultra-heavily compressed content as streaming then small improvements in processing can make noticeable differences. But as heavily compressed as UHD Blu is it's still vastly better than streaming for compression so any perceived gains that you're getting from your UHD remuxes will be minute, if at all. But if you want to keep playing your UHDs through the telly, then be my guest.

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

My TV is awful at playing files, the interface is terrible and it doesn't recognise half of them anyway. But why does HDMI 2.1 pertain to a TV playing back lossless audio directly thru a USB? I don't use surround sound so it doesn't bother me if you're referring to eArc or whatever.

As for streaming, I don't do that either but I wouldn't take the two playback methods as being some smoking gun. Panasonic's streaming decoder in their players doesn't even output streaming in 24p (it's fixed at 60Hz) so I'm not surprised that there are differences in the silicon between TV and players, I've already said there is, and when you're dealing with such ultra-heavily compressed content as streaming then small improvements in processing can make noticeable differences. But as heavily compressed as UHD Blu is it's still vastly better than streaming for compression so any perceived gains that you're getting from your UHD remuxes will be minute, if at all. But if you want to keep playing your UHDs through the telly, then be my guest.

I don't play my UHD BD's through my Samsung TV, I just have some UHD BD remuxes and one day the idea of comparing picture quality by playing them by the X-800 and the Samsung TV popped my mind and yes, there are picture differences, the mkv UHD BD remuxes look better played by the Samsung TV. I'm using the same picture settings of course for both ways. I think the picture quality differences may be because Chroma Upsampling, keep in mind that there's a shorter signal path also by playing the mkv UHD BD remux by the TV, and we allknow that on electronics the shorter the signal path the better. I do the same with my Hi Res music files. Why should I play them by the Sony X-800 that will decompress the FLAC data stream and reconstruct the original PCM file, then transmit this Hi Res PCM signal by the HDMI cable/port which are not precisely jitter-free, then make it into the Receiver on its PCM form, converted to analog by the receiver's own D/A converters and then get the signal to the amplification stages (prior to pass it through the volume control)? I just plug one of my SSD containing the Hi Res Music files to the receiver's own USB input and on the same circuit board the FLAC data stream will be decompressed and the original PCM stram reconstructed and converted back to analog by the receiver's own D/A converters. Is there a sound quality between both ways? Yes, there is, FLAC files played back by the receiver sound better than being played by the X-800 and all the messing that decompressing and sending a signal through HDMI is. Sometimes less is more...

[Sky_Captain]

Had my first issue, earlier. Lost all audio, but not picture.

Thought it was either the HDMI lead, or my Sony HT-XF9000, (which is not even two months old), was doing some weird shit. Ruled out the soundbar pretty quickly, audio from all other sources was fine, and an HDMI lead swap showed the same problem.

Turning the player on and off again didn't solve it, nor did a factory reset via the menus. It took a hard reset to sort it out.

Not what I want to be trying to solve at 2:30am.

[avs commenter]

After adjusting my TV settings for HDR, regular blu rays look really good with DV left on. I might just watch everything with DV left on.

[Cross1994]

Hello guys, any idea if it is possible to change the subtitle police when reading video files from usb device ? Didn't find it and the standard one is in my opinion pretty ugly...

[halo0]

So I found this thread after picking up an X700 2 days ago and being confused why my TV was saying Dolby Vision on a non-DV title (Bladerunner 2049). This has seriously been going on for over 7 months straight now with no fix from Sony? Almost unbelievable. No indication it will be fixed? I already had to return the UBK90 because it had non-defeatable HDMI-CEC .

Also are people still able to get Atmos from Vudu? The best it will give me is DD+ (that's after finding some other gem of info online that the only way to get that to work is by disabling some poorly named audio enhancement setting) - on that subject, the menus on this thing are about the worst I've seen on any product made in the past 10 years.

So Atmos doesn't work in Vudu, but Dolby Vision does. And Dolby Vision isn't included on the disc, but Atmos works.

Is this real life???

Sony?

[sapiendut]

I had the 800 and I had the 700. In the end, I get what I paid for. I ended up using Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 without headache.

[halo0]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I had the 800 and I had the 700. In the end, I get what I paid for. I ended up using Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 without headache.

This is basic functionality. You shouldn't have to pay a premium price just to get a stupid feature to work properly. The player obviously knows whether the movie was encoded with Dolby vision because if you press the info button it will tell you. Even the LG player could do this correctly.

[steelers1]

Originally Posted by halo0

So I found this thread after picking up an X700 2 days ago and being confused why my TV was saying Dolby Vision on a non-DV title (Bladerunner 2049). This has seriously been going on for over 7 months straight now with no fix from Sony? Almost unbelievable. No indication it will be fixed? I already had to return the UBK90 because it had non-defeatable HDMI-CEC .

Also are people still able to get Atmos from Vudu? The best it will give me is DD+ (that's after finding some other gem of info online that the only way to get that to work is by disabling some poorly named audio enhancement setting) - on that subject, the menus on this thing are about the worst I've seen on any product made in the past 10 years.

So Atmos doesn't work in Vudu, but Dolby Vision does. And Dolby Vision isn't included on the disc, but Atmos works.

Is this real life???

Sony?

so have you contacted sony about why the tv shows dolby vision? let us no when you do and what they say to solve the problem. thanks have a nice day.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by halo0

This is basic functionality. You shouldn't have to pay a premium price just to get a stupid feature to work properly. The player obviously knows whether the movie was encoded with Dolby vision because if you press the info button it will tell you. Even the LG player could do this correctly.

Well, apparently it’s not so basic. LG players have trouble reading some discs that the 700/800 can read. That’s even more basic function Samsung can’t play DV at all, Sony DV functionality essentially don’t work. So the cheapest option for things that actually work is the Pana 820. I’m not happy in paying $500 but in the end, that’s what I have to do.

[Spike M.]

Originally Posted by halo0

So I found this thread after picking up an X700 2 days ago and being confused why my TV was saying Dolby Vision on a non-DV title (Bladerunner 2049). This has seriously been going on for over 7 months straight now with no fix from Sony? Almost unbelievable. No indication it will be fixed? I already had to return the UBK90 because it had non-defeatable HDMI-CEC .

Also are people still able to get Atmos from Vudu? The best it will give me is DD+ (that's after finding some other gem of info online that the only way to get that to work is by disabling some poorly named audio enhancement setting) - on that subject, the menus on this thing are about the worst I've seen on any product made in the past 10 years.

So Atmos doesn't work in Vudu, but Dolby Vision does. And Dolby Vision isn't included on the disc, but Atmos works.

Is this real life???

Sony?

DV is manually activated on this player. If it's activated, then even non-DV titles will be read as DV by your TV. Simply turn the function off if you aren't watching DV content (go to the settings tab in the upper right hand corner of the player's menu).

[Sky_Captain]

It's a shame there's not a thread, that doesn't already explain this...

[steelers1]

Originally Posted by Spike M.

DV is manually activated on this player. If it's activated, then even non-DV titles will be read as DV by your TV. Simply turn the function off if you aren't watching DV content (go to the settings tab in the upper right hand corner of the player's menu).

if you don`t turn this off what is the effect`s or does it hurt anything? could you explain more on this? thanks have a great day.

[russdornisch]

Ok, so having a problem with my player that is super weird. Was trying to play my new Planet Earth 2 disk... menu plays fine, when I hit play screen goes black and nothing. I can bring up the pop up menu, pretty much do everything, but it doesn't actually play. When googling the issue I see tons of people trying to play the disk on Xbox one X with the same issue, but nothing on the Sony. Anyone have any ideas? Seems to be the only thing with problems, I tried 3 other disks and they all played just fine.

[weberrygt]

Added "DV On" and "DV Off" sequences to my Logitech Harmony remote. That's how I roll. Now sony will probably release some update that will automatically detect Dolby Vision.