The Shield: The Complete Series (2002-2008)

[jz1276]

Originally Posted by Renascent

Whenever I read information like this I like to verify it from multiple sources. Don't get me wrong, thanks for letting us know,

[Show spoiler]but currently you are the only one here (?) claiming it is a mono track.

I've ordered the Blu ray and will be able to confirm/deny when I get it.
Given the audio reviews posted by different sources, I've a hard time believing it is a mono track and will take your statement with a pinch of salt. If you are indeed correct I will have no problem saying so in this thread later, but until then...

I tried posting screenshots 2x & both times the administrators never approved the post. I am not saying the audio tracks are pure mono as there is some information in all tracks, but EXTREMELY little except for the opening/closing theme song. Other than that, there is so little audio there might as well be none. Let us know when you get your set & give it a listen.

[Renascent]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

It's not "botched," since the episode used is a legit edit. As I've said many times before, the incorrect aspect ratio is a much bigger deal than 10 seconds of a missing BJ, but hey, no one cares if the aspect ratio is wrong. I'll keep saying hypocrites until people actually get it.

That is funny, cause:

We always filmed it widescreen and edited it to be safe for that. It aired foreign in many places widescreen. I kept it 4:3 on air because I didn't think widescreen TVs were widespread enough. New 4k version will be widescreen.

https://twitter.com/shawnryantv/stat...52789959692288

So the widescreen version is legit, it aired in countries that had adapted tech faster than the US and 4:3 wasn't an intended look from an artistic perspective. So to use your analogy this BD-set isn't botched when it comes to aspect ratio

Originally Posted by jz1276

I tried posting screenshots 2x & both times the administrators never approved the post. I am not saying the audio tracks are pure mono as there is some information in all tracks, but EXTREMELY little except for the opening/closing theme song. Other than that, there is so little audio there might as well be none. Let us know when you get your set & give it a listen.

Sure thing. My set will arrive early/mid March. Reviews have said back channels aren't used that much, so I'm more interested in if the "stereo"-part is sort of intact. Meaning I'll disconnect my center channel and see what is going to happen.

[DVD Polizei]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

And Sony is still so scared that this along with other television products were/are being licensed out to Mill Creek.

Sony should be scared. Their format still sucks due to STILL not having definitive extras porting over and compression artifacts STILL being observed on many releases, and their marketing was so pathetic in the first place, it's no wonder they can't bring out a "standard". LOL.

#LongLiveHD-DVD

I'm gonna have to hold out on this release. As far as the Mum difference, maybe a disc replacement is in order, but hell, that's not going to be cheap for Ryan. I feel sorry for him as The Shield was his baby and I feel like everyone just tossed out the baby water with it. However, I'd like to see more confirmation on episode audio consistency, and overall DNR and compression issues. This is Mill Creek we're talking about, so I'm not too surprised.

We need some screenshots about the compression observations.

[quack75]

From reddit:

ShawnRyanTV

Got this email from my Sony Home Video contact yesterday. Just wanted to make clear why it's taking awhile to get answers, but also wanted to let you all know I am very much on it.

I’m sorry for the delays. I am still awaiting the 4k raw files. They should be ready for review and confirmation next week, which is what I said last week, but unfortunately there were delays getting the files moved to the facility. They are in house now, and are being loaded.

Thanks for your patience as we figure this out.

More as I know it.

Shawn

[Morten3251]

The timestamp for my file is somewhere between 3:47 and 3:55. Sorry, I didn't realise the picture was gonna get compressed quite so much.
In response to the above post, this means that (as has been implied earlier) that it's all the way back to the editing/ master at Sony. The reason a remaster of film to digital releases is so complicated, is that first EVERYTHING has to be rescanned (in this case to 4k files), then either a master editing notes already exists, or every shot of the previous DVD/ SD master has to be analysed and recognised before the 4k master can be reassembled. Sony must have accidentally used a master file for the cut version of "Mum", meaning a correct 4k master of the episode currently doesn't exist. This means they have to bring back editing crew, rather than just BD master and quality control crew. So that's what's taking time, people.

[jz1276]

I've added an attachment of the core DTS-MA audio track I ran through Audacity. If anyone would like me to to this with additional episodes let me know & I will but I checked around 10 episodes & they're all similar.

[Renascent]

Originally Posted by jz1276

I've added an attachment of the core DTS-MA audio track I ran through Audacity. If anyone would like me to to this with additional episodes let me know & I will but I checked around 10 episodes & they're all similar.

Now this is very useful!

If you could upload one for "s1 e13", which is the sample Morten3251 used, that would be great. If Morten3251 could upload the equivalent with his tool, then we are getting somewhere

I do agree with you jz1276, it doesn't look good when inspecting your screen grab. If it really is the case, then one have to make the decision of going for higher bit rate or stereo sound.

[jz1276]

No problem. Here's the DTS audio track for Season 1 Episode 13 "Circles".

[hilfderk13287]

In regards to JHCubs comment, I know I was on DVD Josh's and the other guy's case about entitlement, but your response sways against the other end of that spectrum. For a prospective buyer like me who hasn't bought the set yet, it come down to several factors that you're just writing off:

1.) Having bought boxed sets at their initial release only to see their price be dramatically reduced down the line, there's always going to be a cheaper price if you're patient enough.
2.) There's so much content to watch now that I have plenty to fill my time until #1 transpires.
3.) You can be a completionist without taking it off the deep end.
4.) The mistake has been spotted, acknowledged, and folks are working as diligently as possible to fix it. I can wait until they start shipping new box sets with the correct disc.

[JHCubs]

Originally Posted by hilfderk13287

In regards to JHCubs comment, I know I was on DVD Josh's and the other guy's case about entitlement, but your response sways against the other end of that spectrum. For a prospective buyer like me who hasn't bought the set yet, it come down to several factors that you're just writing off:

1.) Having bought boxed sets at their initial release only to see their price be dramatically reduced down the line, there's always going to be a cheaper price if you're patient enough.
2.) There's so much content to watch now that I have plenty to fill my time until #1 transpires.
3.) You can be a completionist without taking it off the deep end.
4.) The mistake has been spotted, acknowledged, and folks are working as diligently as possible to fix it. I can wait until they start shipping new box sets with the correct disc.

That’s fair.

Everyone is entitled to buy a box sex at any time they like, on day 1 or months/years down the line. Imo, if there wasn’t a replacement disc program being set up it would be a shame to miss out altogether for such a small cut. But it does sound like there will be a replacement disc in any case, so at the end of the day, Shawn Ryan and Sony have done right by the fans of the series.

I think I might have been frustrated at the time because Shawn Ryan was being bad mouthed for something that was out of his control and I vented. Even he missed the UK version of “Mum” was used and I do believe that he even if he watched the upgraded version months before the BluRay release date he probably didn’t realise those few seconds were missing to go back and do an upgrade the correct version. How likely would it be that Shawn and Sony knew of the error ahead of time and still didn’t bother correcting the error and just hoped for the best that fans who have rewatched the series a number of times would simply miss the error? I’d say that at least Sony are trying to correct the error as quickly as they can.

[DVD Josh]

Originally Posted by hilfderk13287

In regards to JHCubs comment, I know I was on DVD Josh's and the other guy's case about entitlement, but your response sways against the other end of that spectrum. For a prospective buyer like me who hasn't bought the set yet, it come down to several factors that you're just writing off:

1.) Having bought boxed sets at their initial release only to see their price be dramatically reduced down the line, there's always going to be a cheaper price if you're patient enough.
2.) There's so much content to watch now that I have plenty to fill my time until #1 transpires.
3.) You can be a completionist without taking it off the deep end.
4.) The mistake has been spotted, acknowledged, and folks are working as diligently as possible to fix it. I can wait until they start shipping new box sets with the correct disc.

I've stayed out of this thread b/c I didn't really want to make it about me. I will just say this as to Mum. I realize its only a 5-10 second cut. But it's an important cut. I'm no fan of sexual assault but that even dictates Aceveda's entire character arc, and even makes Vic sympathize with him. It's a massive, game changing scene, and for it to lose a bit of its power is a big deal in my book. It's not that I WANT to see "more" of a sexual assault. But the framing, the disturbing nature of it, the sound, the just incredible uncomfortability of the event is so core to the entire series that to lose it has an impact of the episodes that come after it. For something that is supposed to be the definitive release with the hands on involvement of the creator, to me it really makes me question the value of this set. Whether anyone else does is up to them.

[hilfderk13287]

Cool, now go ahead and copy-paste under all your original comments.

[jz1276]

I don't understand how this thread became a debate. I didn't post what I believe to be an audio error to start a protest against the set or encourage those that own it to toss it as I'm sure who ever brought up the cut from Mum had the same intentions. The more that know about the issues the better the chances will be of the studio correcting them.
With that said, those who still want to make the purchase after being made aware should be able to do so without argument right?

[phobicsquirrel]

I hope this gets fixed before spring break so I can get/watch this on blu. Come on ryan...

[phobicsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

DVDs were also OAR 1.33, so the whole series is wrong, but you are angry at a missing 10 seconds of a BJ.. ok.

As I've said, factually, it's only an issue if you count EVERY alteration as an issue, to just ones you think are important. Where's the outrage the series isn't OAR? Oh yeah, composition doesn't matter because it doesn't fill your precious screen. 80+ hours being wrong is nothing, but 10 missing seconds, well that's an outrage! Get the pitchforks! LOL

I hate continually being right and showing hypocrites the door.

They filmed for widescreen yet had it on tv with 1:33 that's hardly oar. Back then widescreen tv's weren't that common nor was broadcasting.

You bust my balls over not being happy with getting a cut episode yet you whine about a oar that isn't really the oar? Oh man you got issues.


So yeah you are nuts and you can see yourself out that door.

[WadeWilson]

The compression issues concern me more than a few seconds of one episode. The fact the discs are missing a Play all option is really stupid too. MillCreek is a joke. It was obvious that was going to happen with the set having like half the number of discs the DVD set did. Why are they still allowed to buy content from other studios and ruin it?

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by phobicsquirrel

They filmed for widescreen yet had it on tv with 1:33 that's hardly oar. Back then widescreen tv's weren't that common nor was broadcasting.

You bust my balls over not being happy with getting a cut episode yet you whine about a oar that isn't really the oar? Oh man you got issues.


So yeah you are nuts and you can see yourself out that door.

As I've said 1000 times, no there WEREN'T "filmed" for widescreen. It's amazing how people pretend to know filmmaking and try to school others then post stuff like this. It's pretty embarrassing.

They were COMPOSED for 1.33. That's how they were filmed. Just because the entire negative was exposed doesn't mean they were "filmed" for widescreen. You do realize that most every film has image on the negative that's now shown, right/. Surely you must, since you're trying to tell me how films are made. That's why original negative means nothing, and the compositions are what matter. The compositions are all 1.33, but protected for widescreen (meaning no cameras or crew were in the edges of frame). The fact that you don't even know what composition is and the fact that composition determines OAR pretty much nullifies anything you try and "teach" me.

That's why I bust your balls, dude. The OAR is 1.33, period, because that's how they were composed and aired on TV. But all you care about is 5 seconds of a BJ and don't even care about original intent or how they were shot.

My post is easily justified. Again, you're whining because 1 episode is missing a few seconds, but if you really truly cared about original intent and wanted the REAL original episodes, then you'd be much more up in arms about the incorrect OAR since it affects every episode and isn't just 1 that's missing a few seconds. But you don't, because that's not your agenda.

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

As I've said 1000 times, no there WEREN'T "filmed" for widescreen. It's amazing how people pretend to know filmmaking and try to school others then post stuff like this. It's pretty embarrassing.

They were COMPOSED for 1.33. That's how they were filmed. Just because the entire negative was exposed doesn't mean they were "filmed" for widescreen. You do realize that most every film has image on the negative that's now shown, right/. Surely you must, since you're trying to tell me how films are made. That's why original negative means nothing, and the compositions are what matter. The compositions are all 1.33, but protected for widescreen (meaning no cameras or crew were in the edges of frame). The fact that you don't even know what composition is and the fact that composition determines OAR pretty much nullifies anything you try and "teach" me.

That's why I bust your balls, dude. The OAR is 1.33, period, because that's how they were composed and aired on TV. But all you care about is 5 seconds of a BJ and don't even care about original intent or how they were shot.

My post is easily justified. Again, you're whining because 1 episode is missing a few seconds, but if you really truly cared about original intent and wanted the REAL original episodes, then you'd be much more up in arms about the incorrect OAR since it affects every episode and isn't just 1 that's missing a few seconds. But you don't, because that's not your agenda.

Most people won't buy it in 1.33. They're not going to release it that way for the handful of people that actually care. Give it a rest. It looks fine in 1.78.

[Jlouisbarrett]

Originally Posted by WadeWilson

The compression issues concern me more than a few seconds of one episode. The fact the discs are missing a Play all option is really stupid too. MillCreek is a joke. It was obvious that was going to happen with the set having like half the number of discs the DVD set did. Why are they still allowed to buy content from other studios and ruin it?

I’d agree that the subpar compression is the most prominent issue with this set. Every now and then you get a scene where the grain structure looks perfect and stable and not like it’s some swarm of digital organisms which are struggling to survive, flickering in and out of existence... but overall it still looks better than the DVD so I can just barely deal with it/ignore it.

[balthazar_bee]

While I think Bates is taking the issue a bit far, I definitely recommend at least giving the show a try at 1.33:1 if your TV has that display option. I can't watch it for more than a few minutes like that because the fella I'm watching it with gets the vapours, but the framing is really playing tight, with not a wasted pixel. It can feel oppressive if you've only seen the show at 1.78:1, but give it a shot.