Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[kraven]

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

I'll take things that never happened for $1000 Alex.

Things that never happened, and are incredibly tacky to say for $1000 Alex!

[Marsupial Werewolf]

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

I'll take things that never happened for $1000 Alex.

Sure, just ask the replicator with two kids who got fired.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

That's really a shame because the poor director is dying in a nursing home and begged Bill to put out this version of the movie that he wanted to be seen.

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

I'll take things that never happened for $1000 Alex.

Sounds familiar...


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Originally Posted by Yuchira

Terrible what happened to Bill. Hope he's recovering ok

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

They're pretending he fell and had his head stuck between the toilet. Probably had to go in for something related to all the bad food he eats.

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Originally Posted by IGotsNewShoes

Grown ass adults acting like this towards someone who they’ve been told is in the hospital over what? A movie? All I can do is shake my head at the lot of you. Hope Bill recovers soon

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

Its probably cause no one believes the bogus story.

[frakking toaster]

"This message is hidden because Ruined is on your ignore list." Is definitely the best thing to see when Demon and BananaMan botch another release. I'm sure he's somehow posting that Arrow are much worse and this is the superior directors cut and you're all wrong.

[GasmaskAvenger]

lol Ruined. Almost all of those Arrow flubs are totally negligible.

Man, this is ridiculous...and still no shipping notification in sight. I don't care about the ongoing dumpster fire, I just want my damn copy shipped, warts and all, then go fix shit from there going forward.

[kraven]

Originally Posted by frakking toaster

"This message is hidden because Ruined is on your ignore list." Is definitely the best thing to see when Demon and BananaMan botch another release. I'm sure he's somehow posting that Arrow are much worse and this is the superior directors cut and you're all wrong.

His last post was actually supporting you in how DF uses people's health issues to try to influence sales.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by GasmaskAvenger

lol Ruined. Almost all of those Arrow flubs are totally negligible.

Personally I don't find exposing 20% of the frame that shouldn't be there, including camera crew, lens filters, unfinished animation, SFX rigs, and light stands as "totally negligible."

I also find those Arrow errors a larger flub than not including an inferior alternate cut of the movie, since they affect the preferred cut of the movie.

[xXx$uicide_Ma$terxXx]

Originally Posted by GasmaskAvenger

lol Ruined. Almost all of those Arrow flubs are totally negligible.

Man, this is ridiculous...and still no shipping notification in sight. I don't care about the ongoing dumpster fire, I just want my damn copy shipped, warts and all, then go fix shit from there going forward.

Join the club

[GasmaskAvenger]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Personally I don't find exposing 20% of the frame that shouldn't be there, including camera crew, lens filters, unfinished animation, SFX rigs, and light stands as "totally negligible."

Sure is to me.

IMO the only really egregious Arrow screw-ups were the weird colors on Django, Prepare a Coffin and not having the real Director's Cut of The Guyver (RoboCop MAY also be a missed opportunity but the jury's still out on that one until the final details are out).

What happened with Forced Entry, especially with seemingly false advertising, is way less forgiving than a mere framing flub...but I still want my copy and not it end up being a waste of almost $30 by ending up short changed.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

That's really a shame because the poor director is dying in a nursing home and begged Bill to put out this version of the movie that he wanted to be seen. Bill took years to release this because he lost interest and handed it off to us because we figured The Last Victim was a good fit for Dark Force. Probably another mistake though.

The only mistake you made was assuming that people would not crucify you if you made an error when you were excitedly providing more info about your new release.

I really enjoy your personal way of running the label, but I think this is why a lot of labels are very impersonal and have left forums like this. A small slip up and you have a line of angry people with pitchforks and torches ready to go, even if they aren't sure what it is they are yelling about. It appears half the people complaining here don't even realize the longer cut they are demanding is a butchered cut of the film and instead think its the same film with longer uncut scenes, which is incorrect. People are demanding an inferior re-cut of the film when the disc has the director's cut on it.

[kraven]

Beer goggle pov ftw!

[Hecatomb]

After going through the history of this Dark Force thread, it boggles my mind that anyone still buys their product. Many of their releases were either falsely advertised in some way, cut or had sub par picture and sound sound quality.

I can understand wanting a certain movie, but the way that Dark Force hypes up every release as "Super Deluxe Blu-ray with HD Picture" and delivers anything but should not be supported. They have shown in their one year of being around that they would rather hype up releases and play games, than make the best blu-ray they can.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

God, what a cluster****. So will I own a worthless disc?

No. It has the original version of the PG film that the director wanted released. That can never be worthless.

Originally Posted by Katatonia

[Show spoiler]
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Indeed they did. I knew I had seen it announced that way somewhere:

False advertising just a little?

I mean seriously, you literally have to wait on reviews now when you can't even trust what they say it will be. That's what I'll be doing from now on...it's just not even worth it otherwise at these premium prices.

DeFalco went off IMDB. I go off IMDB all the time, even now, after having spent a couple of months of my life tracking down a train film (because I have a bit of a thing for sex-on-trains films, especially ones with murderers in them, so, sorry for that) only to discover that the IMDB time was for a version that never existed, including projected runtime for scenes they never filmed. With rare exceptions, IMDB gives accurate runtimes. Here, they just happened to give the extended cut running time as the time for Last Victim.

Originally Posted by Ruined

It's the original film / directors cut. Forced Entry was a rerelease like 10 years later with more sexual violence inserted for marketing purposes, earning it an R rating.

Dear Ruined, I like you fine, because you like Code Red as much as I do. However, your refusal to say rape is getting on my nerves. A large chunk of our friends here on the boards are literally fighting over not getting to see more rape, not more "sexual violence", which could include anything from a slap to a shove to a quiet-background rape, filmed in total darkness, but more, full-on, simulated rape, going back for pages and pages.

Originally Posted by Braktastic

Code Red/Dark Forces Motto:

"We don't QC, so you have to"!

It never pays to be an early adopter of Code Red or Dark Forces Blu-rays.

David clearly regrets that this happened. He isn't being angry or even slightly ill-tempered. He is as surprised this happened as anyone else. I can only imagine how upsetting Bill finds this. But, again, this release, which I haven't even bought yet thanks to a broken car, is the original PG film, The Last Victim, with a cut of Forced Entry, not all cuts of Forced Entry. They made an error as to the running time on that cut, but, otherwise, they did a great job getting a film out that never would have seen the light of day.

Originally Posted by Ruined

Personally I don't find exposing 20% of the frame that shouldn't be there, including camera crew, lens filters, unfinished animation, SFX rigs, and light stands as "totally negligible."

I also find those Arrow errors a larger flub than not including an inferior alternate cut of the movie, since they affect the preferred cut of the movie.

Arrow has their own board. I don't mind that we disagree on this company, however, with everything that's going on, re-hashing Arrow errors is kind of melting my brain.

[babybreese]

Originally Posted by Ruined

DF/CR stated BOTH cuts were provided by the director himself and neither are a "fan edit" as you incorrectly state.

So you should be taking it up with the director if you don't like his handiwork.

Hey Ruined.

I got a bridge to sell ya....


And mentioning Mr Sotos, who is apparently ill, is sickening.
I do not believe for a second he gave anyone a brand new cut of the film,
and regardless of what DF were given,
it's obvious what people expected.
DF even used these descriptors to false advertise.

They lied outright and now spout more nonsense.



You must think everyone is as thick as you are, eh Ruined?

Demon,
I hope you are shimmering with a gloss of oil,
poised in front of your full length mirror,
doing the only thing you seem to be able to successfully accomplish...

flexing.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Ruined

The only mistake you made was assuming that people would not crucify you if you made an error when you were excitedly providing more info about your new release.

Dave mentioned he made a mistake and relied on IMDB, but what boggles my mind is how is he not intimately familiar with his own release?

This begs the question whether this is actually a Dark Force or a Code Red release; ignoring the logo on the release. Given his FB post was only a month prior to this being made available he should have been well aware what the running time was let alone what was on the cover art since it had to be approved prior to replication.

One thing I think everyone would agree on is that he could have saved himself a lot of grief. Maybe some of this could be avoided if DF/CR would post back cover art prior to release.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by miribeau

Dear Ruined, I like you fine, because you like Code Red as much as I do. However, your refusal to say rape is getting on my nerves. A large chunk of our friends here on the boards are literally fighting over not getting to see more rape, not more "sexual violence", which could include anything from a slap to a shove to a quiet-background rape, filmed in total darkness, but more, full-on, simulated rape, going back for pages and pages.

I originally said "hardcore," but several objected to that term because they felt the content was not specifically hardcore enough to be considered "hardcore," so I edited it to the more general "sexual violence," which is a more general term. So I'm just gonna leave that where it is and not re-classify it a third time.

Also, the 88min version has a bunch of nonsense added to it as well that butchers the story - I posted a link with the differences a few pages back.

Arrow has their own board. I don't mind that we disagree on this company, however, with everything that's going on, re-hashing Arrow errors is kind of melting my brain.

I agree, kraven should not have brought up Arrow which is completely unrelated, but he did unfortunately.

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Dave mentioned he made a mistake and relied on IMDB, but what boggles my mind is how is he not intimately familiar with his own release?

This begs the question whether this is actually a Dark Force or a Code Red release; ignoring the logo on the release. Given his FB post was only a month prior to this being made available he should have been well aware what the running time was let alone what was on the cover art since it had to be approved prior to replication.

One thing I think everyone would agree on is that he could have saved himself a lot of grief. Maybe some of this could be avoided if DF/CR would post back cover art prior to release.

This was originally a Code Red release DF sublicensed from Code Red very, very late in the game - after it was finished. So there was likely very little (none) intimate Dark Force involvement with the disc itself.

[iamnoone]

Saying that the FORCED ENTRY version of the film is crap and doesn't matter is ridiculous, considering it's the version that was seen by the majority, had theatrical playdates, and had a good run on homevideo for years. Regardless of "quality" and being a "butchered" version of some older lost film that barely anyone ever saw in its original form, FORCED ENTRY is a valid film in its own right, regardless of what the director says or wants now. It's also historical in the sense of seeing how a film got reworked completely years later to capitalize on the fame of Tanya Roberts and Nancy Allen, who were nobodies when The Last Victim was shot.

I have only seen FORCED ENTRY, and I have seen it several times over many years. I like it. Is it trashy, seedy, and brutal? Yes. Is it dumb and full of silly narration? Yep. Has it reworked a better film into something completely oddball and inferior? Maybe, but so what? It deserves to exist.

I respect the director's wishes, and he likes THE LAST VICTIM and I can't wait to finally check that version out. But George Lucas likes his SW special editions over the ones most fans want, so there you go. They are all valid alternate versions of films and each should be presented properly, regardless if "YOU" think one is better than the other.

And once again, yes, I would have preferred a VHS transfer of FORCED ENTRY in its complete 88-minute-form, which is easy to obtain, as an "extra" on this Blu of the original version. Definitely preferable over a severely edited print in HD. Just because it's in HD, no one wants to watch a film that's missing 15 minutes. So a nice BLU of THE LAST VICTIM, and as an SD bonus, FORCED ENTRY in its entirety, that would have been a really nice release. Maybe on a second pressing, DF can throw in a pressed DVD of the uncut VHS in a paper sleeve inside the case.

Until I have seen THE LAST VICTIM, I'm not sure which film I will prefer. I may like both films equally, or may like TLV more, or maybe I'll miss all the seediness that is in FORCED ENTRY including that coke bottle that isn't in TLV. In any event, a proper version of FORCED ENTRY is not on this release, and it has been a much wanted title by many since Bill announced it, what, 10 years ago? It is the version fans have known and seen for decades, and we still don't have it.

[kraven]

Hardcore is for porn. Sexual violence is the better term, cause not just rape happening. The angle meribeau is going for is that we are all bad people for wanting to see rape. Which of course ignores the point of getting the movie version we were told we were getting, but ignoring the point is what you guys do

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by rdodolak

Dave mentioned he made a mistake and relied on IMDB, but what boggles my mind is how is he not intimately familiar with his own release?

This begs the question whether this is actually a Dark Force or a Code Red release; ignoring the logo on the release. Given his FB post was only a month prior to this being made available he should have been well aware what the running time was let alone what was on the cover art since it had to be approved prior to replication.

One thing I think everyone would agree on is that he could have saved himself a lot of grief. Maybe some of this could be avoided if DF/CR would post back cover art prior to release.

Back-cover photos are always advisable. When it comes to this error, with everything DD and Bill have been dealing with, in terms of business, while Bill has been suffering through the horror of aging (in case no one ever told you, our bodies fall apart while we are still living in them and it really sucks), I'm amazed they have been able to get releases pressed and actually released. I would have ground my business to a halt during this. They've pushed forward putting out multiple releases and have more on the horizon. It is a blow to both businesses, to be sure, but this kind of mistake is far more forgivable given the circumstances of the last two months.

Originally Posted by Ruined

I originally said "hardcore," but several objected to that term because they felt the content was not specifically hardcore enough to be considered "hardcore," so I edited it to the more general "sexual violence," which is a more general term. So I'm just gonna leave that where it is and not re-classify it a third time....

No, you should go for that third time. If people are going to argue over missing rape, we should be honest about it.

I didn't purchase, as I said, because my car is falling apart and they stopped making that model a long time ago. I know, I know, pathetic attachment to a vehicle is not something I should admit to. So, I'm old and sentimental.... Back to the point, were it not for the inclusion and, truly, focus on the original PG cut, which did not include all of the additional, gratuitous scenes of rape and additional violence, I wouldn't have wanted this release. It is that director's desired cut, without all the add-ons, that makes Last Victim worth owning and viewing in the first place.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by iamnoone

Bashing the FORCED ENTRY version of the film is ridiculous, considering it's the version that was seen by the majority, had theatrical playdates, and had a good run on homevideo for years. Regardless of "quality" and being a "butchered" version of some older lost film that barely anyone ever saw in its original form, FORCED ENTRY is a valid film in its own right, regardless of what the director says or wants now. It's also historical in the sense of seeing how a film got reworked completely years later to capitalize on the fame of Tanya Roberts and Nancy Allen, who were nobodies when The Last Victim was shot.

I have only seen FORCED ENTRY, and I have seen it several times over many years. I like it. Is it trashy, seedy, and brutal? Yes. Is it dumb and full of silly narration? Yep. Has it reworked a better film into something completely oddball and inferior? Maybe, but so what? It deserves to exist.

I respect the director's wishes, and he likes THE LAST VICTIM and I can't wait to finally check that version out. But George Lucas likes his SW special editions over the ones most fans want, so there you go. They are all valid alternate versions of films and each should be presented properly, regardless if "YOU" think one is better than the other.

And once again, yes, I would have preferred a VHS transfer of FORCED ENTRY in its complete 88-minute-form, which is easy to obtain, as an "extra" on this Blu of the original version. Definitely preferable over a severely edited print in HD. Just because it's in HD, no one wants to watch a film that's missing 15 minutes. So a nice BLU of THE LAST VICTIM, and as an SD bonus, FORCED ENTRY in its entirety, that would have been a really nice release. Maybe on a second pressing, DF can throw in a pressed DVD of the uncut VHS in a paper sleeve inside the case.

Until I have seen THE LAST VICTIM, I'm not sure which film I will prefer. I may like both films equally, or may like TLV more, or maybe I'll miss all the seediness that is in FORCED ENTRY including that coke bottle that isn't in TLV. In any event, a proper version of FORCED ENTRY is not on this release, and it has been a much wanted title by many since Bill announced it, what, 10 years ago? It is the version fans have known and seen for decades.

I can understand this viewpoint.

The viewpoint I don't respect is saying the disc has no value because it doesn't have the 88min version. While that may have been a popular version of the film, personally I'd rather have the original film rather than a sloppily re-cut version. And frankly, the original film is more important in terms of preservation IMO as it is the film in its pure form, rather than some re-cut released for a quick buck.

Truthfully, how many people would actually watch a VHS tape rip on a blu, with cheesy narrations that aren't even from the original cast...? If people go on a tirade about the Carrier having some DNR, I can only conclude having 240 line resolution with tracking errors and all is going to result in full meltdown. I mean, I'll always entertain more cuts of a film, but something that is of such poor quality is definitely not something I am going to lose sleep over not having.

Someone earlier mentioned my defense of "The Last Victim" was my same defense of "The Carrier," and this is correct as the DC in that disc is also a much better movie than the previously available version. The same thing applies - yeah it didn't have the cut you expected intact, but it had an arguably better cut approved by the director that has never been made available before in decent quality. Perhaps not everyone agrees with that defense, but to me getting the directors final versions of these obscure movies is priceless. VHS rip of 88min version? That on the other hand has been available all over the place for a very long time.