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Old 05-01-2019, 06:55 PM   #62521
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Anyone get a shipping notification on The Seduction yet?
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:00 PM   #62522
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If Scream does have The Abominable Snowman please let it be the unedited version. I love the transfer of the Japanese blu-ray but I just can't get over those missing 6 minutes they cut out
I want it too
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:01 PM   #62523
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If Scream does have The Abominable Snowman please let it be the unedited version. I love the transfer of the Japanese blu-ray but I just can't get over those missing 6 minutes they cut out
What type of content did they cut out?
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Old 05-01-2019, 07:16 PM   #62524
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If you're familiar with the movie it's pretty much all the dialog
[Show spoiler]in the cabin they stashed food in. I'm pretty sure they cut out that scene because they weren't speaking about Asian (Indian) culture in a great light. It doesn't affect the movie so much but it's important for the backstory of who "Tom Friend" really is.
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More Hammer is excellent!




Hoping that SF announces The Mummy's Shroud and Scars of Dracula soon.
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:01 PM   #62526
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The Leech Woman. Urgh. Another formulaic title, though the good news however you look at it is that there's only 2 50s Universal sci-fi titles left, and one of those - the standout Incredible Shrinking Man - may not even be with Scream.
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It's no surprise, but Scream posted this in reply to someone asking about Hammer:



'A lot' probably suggests more than one a month.
Me waiting for Hammer films

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Old 05-01-2019, 08:09 PM   #62528
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The main Hammer title I want is Scars of Dracula to complete my Christopher Lee Dracula collection. Hopefully it's coming soon.
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:19 PM   #62529
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For example, it's ok if someone likes the new Robocop but not me, i call the new Robocop film as Robocrap (i refuse to call the new film by the name Robocop as i'm a hardcore fan of 1 and 2 and i'm not calling the new film by the name Robocop as it doesn't deserve the name Robocop) as i totally despise it and one of the shittiest remakes i've seen and even as horrid as Robocopout 3, the lame live action syndicated TV show and lousy mini-series as i felt they keep watering down Robocop since 3 and i felt 2 was the last worthwhile film as i will defend part 2 but continue to pan 3, the mini-series, live-action TV show and remake. Same for Ghostbusters, like any new film all you want, but i felt Ghostbusters 2 was the last GB film worth a look and GB the game is the real GB 3 but as a game while 2016's Assbusters (i'm not calling it Ghostbusters as it doesn't deserve the name since the movie was godawful in my view as it busted my ass and the film was ass itself) i pan as the film deserves to be thrown in the garbage with all the other horrid remakes of the last 9 years like A Nightmare on Braindead Street, Pultzergeist, Blight Night, Point Break and some others to be forgotten where the originals stand above them.
It's kind of hard for me to take you seriously when you mock some younger viewers for their narrow-minded criticisms of older movies, when you turn around and refer to the remakes in this fashion. You're more like those "bucketheads" than you realize.
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I'll take every bit of Hammer Horror they want to throw at me. The Corman and 50's sci-fi stuff is delicious icing on the cake. I love 70's exploitation, 80's slashers and even some 90's stuff as well. There's plenty of love to go around. But every Hammer announcement makes me do a happy dance. Keep bringing it, I'll keep buying it.
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The Leech Woman. Urgh. Another formulaic title, though the good news however you look at it is that there's only 2 50s Universal sci-fi titles left, and one of those - the standout Incredible Shrinking Man - may not even be with Scream.
The Leech Woman - bad movie, great MST3K episode.
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:29 PM   #62532
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Urrrgh...

That Forbidden World is so tempting, namely because of the new 2K transfer for the Director's Cut!
My thoughts exactly, but what is the source for that transfer??? As usual, they didn't gave that cruicial information right away for the potential costumers, and that is so irritating.
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I really hope we get some Fox titles soon. There is a lot of good stuff there and honestly still hoping for Death Sentence soon. If not, hopefully Kino does another deal with Fox/Disney.
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:31 PM   #62534
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[Show spoiler]Good God! I swear I feel like I need to beat some respect into some people..especially when it comes to older cinema. Just because it's older doesn't give you the right to rag on it. Especially for it's special effects of all things..

These are real comments from a real person on IMDB regarding the original RoboCop.

"so everyone was saying to watch the original but it was so bad! The effects are so choppy and unrealistic. this one is way better! Like i can't believe people fell for those effects back then.."

First off, I have to say it..This guy or gal or whatever the hell is a frickin' MORON!

I am all for having a different opinion. If you don't like a film cool. But to think like this? HELL no. It's unacceptable to me to be this stupid. If there is one person that thinks like this there are most definitely more. And the majority of them are kids and tweens. What the hell happened to kids braincells lately? I mean this isn't even a valid criticism.

Sure the effects don't look like CGI eye candy. It also didn't have a 100 million dollar budget either. I honestly think the effects for RoboCop looked fantastic for their time and still do. Key word..For their time!

Talking about how the effects were "choppy and unrealistic" in a film from the 80's is nuts. People fell for the effects back then the dimwit from 2014 on IMDB because that was some top of the line special effects back then. It may not be now. But for back then it was spectacular. And people bought it. Get a fricking clue. Seriously. Does he criticize the Wizard Of Oz's effects like this too? I don't dislike the 50's Blob because the effects suck. I dislike it because it wasn't my cup of tea and I personally found it boring. That's a valid criticism. If I was a braindead dimwit from mars like this doofus who made that comment in 2014 on IMDB I would condemn the film because it's effects weren't realistic enough. Which would be stupid since it's a film from the 1950's!

Here's more quotes from this idiot back in 2014 on Robocop 1987 to raise your blood pressure...

"but it was clearly choppy and looked like crap. people that grew up with the original and see this one. their minds will be blown! therefore, this one is better.

remakes ALWAYS outcast originals due to better effects."

That last quote made my blood boil. It really did. The Blob 1988 has some great effects, but it is also a new take on the original story and is able to stand on it's own merits as a great movie. This argument of "Remakes ALWAYS outcast originals due to better effects." Is flawed at best, and dumb at worst! And the people that grew up with the original will have their minds blown? Yeah after I put a bullet through my brain to ease the pain of how shitty the remake is.

As for realistic effects? How the hell is it possible now for CGI to be considered more realistic than practical effects? Tell me how? Because I can't for the life of me see how this is fricking possible.

Here's even more from this buckethead. This is a reply to a comment I left on IMDB back in 2014 as i had it saved on a paper before IMDB went down on messageboards telling him about what he expected from the 1987 film. I even brought up Gravity in the conversation, as the film that he might have expected the effects to look like..

"no but when they make a remake it is always better than the original due to the better effects. and plus gravity was boring."

It's bad enough he said that stupid shit about remakes always being better than the original due to better effects once..but he did it again. And Gravity is boring? I understand some people feel the same way..but I can and will never understand how anyone could find that film boring. I was on the edge of my seat during the whole film. Boring my ass. I'd like to use a magical spell to become a living vapor to go into his ear, Maybe it might make him a little bit smarter in the process. Let all the air out.

The internet is a resource for learning as well as it is for candy crush. Use it to do some research and learn about cinema and the history of special effects before you start talking out of your nose. Educate yourself, kids of modern day America. Because us adults? We don't want to continue to see you embarrass yourself in front of the entire internet anymore. It's for your own good.

If this type of thinking spreads to later generations, film and the quality of it will be degraded. After people like me and others like me who share my sentiments pass away, all that will be left will be these same dumb kids, grown up who were never taught to appreciate or to respect elder cinema. And if this does get too out of hand? The classics we hold near and dear will be forgotten and disrespected for years to come. For stupid reasons like the effects weren't realistic enough. This is not ok. It's a scary thought, and a bad omen for the future of cinema. I know if I have any kids they will learn to respect and understand how to properly critique cinema. I don't want to see a future where classics like the original RoboCop are only in topics of conversation as that old "cheesy" (a hate that i despise) movie from the 80's, and the 2014 film will be held in high regard. I shudder at the thought.

Why in the holy hell should I respect this IMDB guy's opinion? It doesn't make any sense. If he had any valid criticisms of the orginal film. Fine, I could understand. But this crap about the effects sucking is not a valid one. No excuses. I also lived through the CGI era as well. And I know kids that at least have an understanding of the limitation film had in terms of effects back in the days before CGI. Condemmning an older film because it's effects don't look realistic or as good as today's is asinine and stupid. And kids like this need to go find a wikipedia article or read a god damn book about the history of hollywood and special effects. Because this isn't one of those instances where it's what we are brought up on comes in to play..and least in my opinion. No excuses for refusing or not knowing the history of film. This is like if the same person saw a silent film like A Trip To The Moon and talked how the acting sucked, it has no sound, and it looks crappy compared to the effects of today. It's the same ridiculous argument and there should be no excuses or support given to this kind of inanity.

Please take heed to my warning. Otherwise kids of the future won't even know what Citizen Kane is. Or The Godfather, or The Exorcist or be able to understand why they were so beloved in the first place. So continue to speak your mind my friends, and call out these morons on their ridiculously off base opinions. They may not respect or understand what your attempts are to help, but if that is the case they're hopeless anyway, and are too far gone to be saved.

If I had one word for kids today regarding the realm of cinema, it would be as follows...

Please, try to put things into perspective, do your research and respect your elder cinema (90s and above). If you don't, you look like a total idiot to all the adults around you, and to some of your fellow peers. It's like with the Tim Burton movies compared to the Nolan films, if you love the Nolan films, cool but please respect give certain respect to the Burton films and for other films, please give certain respect to those that came before. You respect your grandparents right? so please respect or appreciate those that came before any new Batman film or any new version of a film, and respect for your elder films, you don't have to love the Burton films like i do, but give them a certain respect, respect your elder films. Go ahead and look forward to a new film, but please appreciate or respect your elder films that came before them, respect people like me and our opinions on the new films.
So what if some random guy didn't like "Robocop"? Not everybody is going to enjoy what you like.

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[Show spoiler]I'm just a person with a passion for film and cinema and just saying it's important to appreciate or respect elder cinema from the 90s and above. Like i said if there was any new version of Batman even Nolan's Batman, they should appreciate/respect the other Batman films (not the Schumacher films as those can rot for all i care) like the Burton films and 1966's film for what they were and how they succeeded.

For example, it's ok if someone likes the new Robocop but not me, i call the new Robocop film as Robocrap (i refuse to call the new film by the name Robocop as i'm a hardcore fan of 1 and 2 and i'm not calling the new film by the name Robocop as it doesn't deserve the name Robocop) as i totally despise it and one of the shittiest remakes i've seen and even as horrid as Robocopout 3, the lame live action syndicated TV show and lousy mini-series as i felt they keep watering down Robocop since 3 and i felt 2 was the last worthwhile film as i will defend part 2 but continue to pan 3, the mini-series, live-action TV show and remake. Same for Ghostbusters, like any new film all you want, but i felt Ghostbusters 2 was the last GB film worth a look and GB the game is the real GB 3 but as a game while 2016's Assbusters (i'm not calling it Ghostbusters as it doesn't deserve the name since the movie was godawful in my view as it busted my ass and the film was ass itself) i pan as the film deserves to be thrown in the garbage with all the other horrid remakes of the last 9 years like A Nightmare on Braindead Street, Pultzergeist, Blight Night, Point Break and some others to be forgotten where the originals stand above them.

But there is 2 good horror remakes of this decade like Maniac which i found to be on par with the original film and a worthy one and The Crazies which i found better than the original which i thought was one of Romero's worst and inferior to the dead trilogy, Creepshow, Martin, Monkey Shines and Dark Half. Suspiria was a enjoyable remake. And i don't consider IT to be a "remake" of the 1990 mini-series which i enjoy both versions but consider it to be a separate adaptation of the novel.

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I do hope that both Forbidden World and Galaxy of Terror won't going to be the next CYBORG when it comes to PQ especially with those "new 4K scans". I still own the previous blu-ray releases with booklets from both, and I still think that those are pretty decent after all.
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The Leech Woman is solid good news, and I'm all in.

I hope that Scream puts on Cult of the Cobra soon. This film features the amazing Faith Domergue, who graced the screen in This Island Earth, It Came from Beneath the Sea, and Where Danger Lives. This is my favorite role of hers, and, hopefully, all of you will soon find out why.
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[Show spoiler]It's kind of hard for me to take you seriously when you mock some younger viewers for their narrow-minded criticisms of older movies, when you turn around and refer to the remakes in this fashion. You're more like those "bucketheads" than you realize.
You could tell how clever he thought all those were too.
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It's kind of hard for me to take you seriously when you mock some younger viewers for their narrow-minded criticisms of older movies, when you turn around and refer to the remakes in this fashion. You're more like those "bucketheads" than you realize.
It's cause i'm like Ocpcommunications (ever heard of that youtube critic? him and Ramboraph4life are like youtube's siskel and ebert and better than JeremyJahns, Chrisstuckman and more!) is like me and he's one of my friends on facebook/youtube and he is a real person with high standards in film like me who has a passion for movies like me and can see through the errors of Hollywood now who is not blinded by the beauty of the movie sometimes like for example he is a hardcore fan of Robocop 1 and 2 (except for 3 and the remake which he despises like me) and Ghostbusters 1 and 2 and Elm Street films (except 5 and the remake which he despised both) as he calls Robocop 2014 as Robocock (he said it on his rant/review of why he refuses to call it Robocop and calls it Robocock because he shows a clip of the actor playing Robocop mispronouncing the name Robocop with his foreign accent and that the film was a robotic dildo that rapes the franchise more than 3 did) and as much as he calls Ghostbusters 2016 "Ballbusters" because it has the 4 characters in the film shoot the logo in the balls in the film and it was such a poorly made poorly written poorly paced overlong joyless unfunny badly made piece of garbage according to him which i agree even when he gave the film "no stars".

Afterall he is one of my favorite youtube critics as he's passionate for movies and all just like me and a film student. Yet not everything in the past was gold according to him as there's much shit as there is today like say Cannibal Terror (which was one of the worst films i ever suffered through even when i rented it in the 90s and seeing it again recently and the worst film Mike aka Ocpcommunications saw in 2016 as he suffered through it like i did as now he knows what it's like watching that extremely horrid piece of garbage from 1980) or Demented from 1980 which baffles me and Mike of why Scream factory released such an abomination on blu-ray, he suffered watching that absolute piece of garbage back in 2016 on his reviews as much as i suffered watching that shitpile when i was 13 when i rented it on video then rewatched it again in 2015 on youtube as it was such an absolute pile of garbage that deserves to be burned and never seen again by human eyes.

If i ever saw a copy of Demented at a pawn shop i would use it as a drink coaster. Yet i can't wait for Mike when he does his respect elder cinema video which i requested to him to do a video on respecting some films of the past 1990 to above and appreciating them for what they did and how some succeeded

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Personally i see nothing wrong with Robocop as i think it's a perfect movie as i grew up with it since i saw it in theaters as a kid and he's one of my fave movie characters and the original is one of my fave movies and i give the original 5 out of 5 stars plus i give RC 2 4 out of 5 (very underrated film), RC 3 half a star and Robocrap (2014 remake) zero stars just like i give Ghostbusters 1984 5 stars, GB 2 4 out of 5 and Assbusters 2016 No stars.

I am a person with high standards afterall! The biggest problem with film today if you ask me boils down to the audiences themselves.

I would argue it's not audiences getting dumber that's the problem. It's audiences lowering their expectations that is. So much of the mass audience nowadays that sees films have standards that are so low that all that matters is that the film was entertaining or had a few scenes they liked. And it's a good if not great movie.

They are also lacking respect for elder cinema, and don't have the necessary knowledge of what makes a film good, great or even truly terrible. They lack appreciation for every aspect of filmmaking and don't really know what is truly good, bad or even mediocre because their standards are so low.

And Hollywood studios know this. This is why they pump out formulaic lazy sequels, prequels, remakes and reboots because they know the audiences eat it up and does not ask that much of them anymore.

Yes. There are exceptions. But they are clearly outnumbered by the mass amount of people who have lowered expectations and let their viewing habits and opinions on films be skewed by youtube videos (despite i do like Ocpcommunications and Ramboraph4life) and rotten tomatoes scores. Further spreading this cancerous disease of little to no standards for filmmaking or storytelling. And the death of the individual opinion amongst the hordes of audience members.


I have to say it. Too many people have lowered expectations or vague semblances of standards. Especially when it comes to films. The idea that any film is good if it entertained someone, and it provides jobs is to me personally a giant load of steaming bullshit.

First off, I have no issue if people are entertained by any film. Second, I also appreciate the hard work that gets put into making a film by multiple different people. But for me, the fact that a film was entertaining or that it provided work for someone is not enough of a reason for me to give a film a pass, or to lower my standards or to erase them completely.

Every film should not be a success. Just like every film should not be a failure. Whether it's financially or critically every film should have some kind of barometer for quality. If the barometer is nonexistent or is centered around vague concepts, then there are no heights for a film to climb to, no rewards, and nothing is ever at stake.

And film to me personally is more than just a source of entertainment. It's an art form. It's storytelling. And it is also a product. And as a form of storytelling and art, I want it to be able to continually evolve and to improve. And it will not be able to do that if people adopt the mindset that every film no matter how bad it is or how worthless its value is to cinema as a whole is good, let alone acceptable. Nothing ever gets better that way.

Constructive criticism is vital for improvement and sustained success. Patting every film on the back is not going to produce much improvement let alone success. It has to be held accountable sometimes for failure. Without that accountability, nothing will ever change. The quality of cinema will stay stagnant because the audience has placed their standards to such a low point that the quality never rises. It just stays mired in mediocrity or total shit.

And as a product, I expect the film to be of as high quality as it can be. If the film has a budget of hundreds of millions of dollars, I expect great effects and production values. If it has a low budget I expect the filmmakers to use what little they have to great effect. I also expect the stories to be somewhat original and spins on old ideas. Not lazy retreads of popular stories, characters, and franchises that I already know about and have seen plenty of already.

And the fact that films create jobs is not enough of a reason for me to have lowered standards or none at all. It's great that they provide work opportunities for people. But do you think every pizza you order with delivery is good, let alone great just because it provided a job for the person who made it? I sincerely doubt that you feel that way. I know I don't.

It's the same with films. Just like the pizza, whether or not it provided work for people is completely irrelevant to the overall quality of the product. And if someone enjoys that slice of low effort burnt pizza that doesn't make that pizza worth being made and served to the masses. The same applies to films. If an incompetent, poorly written film gets made and is universally reviled it should not be considered a success just because it got made and one person on the internet kinda of liked it.

If you adopt the mindset that every film is worth being made because it provided work or entertainment? That's fine. But keep in mind that this mindset is devastating for the form of entertainment you enjoy and consume. It essentially gives every film no matter how critics or audiences perceive it a gold star. And if critics and audiences as a whole took that mindset? Studios would crank out low effort films that were mediocre at best until they ran out of money or till the end of time. If you want film studios and filmmakers to strive for above average let alone great? You have to have higher standards than this.

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It's cause i'm like Ocpcommunications (ever heard of that youtube critic? him and Ramboraph4life are like youtube's siskel and ebert and better than JeremyJahns, Chrisstuckman and more!) is like me and he's one of my friends on facebook/youtube and he is a real person with high standards in film like me who has a passion for movies like me and can see through the errors of Hollywood now who is not blinded by the beauty of the movie sometimes like for example he is a hardcore fan of Robocop 1 and 2 (except for 3 and the remake which he despises like me) and Ghostbusters 1 and 2 and Elm Street films (except 5 and the remake which he despised both) as he calls Robocop 2014 as Robocock (he said it on his rant/review of why he refuses to call it Robocop and calls it Robocock because he shows a clip of the actor playing Robocop mispronouncing the name Robocop with his foreign accent and that the film was a robotic dildo that rapes the franchise more than 3 did) and as much as he calls Ghostbusters 2016 "Ballbusters" because it has the 4 characters in the film shoot the logo in the balls in the film and it was such a poorly made poorly written poorly paced overlong joyless unfunny badly made piece of garbage according to him which i agree even when he gave the film "no stars".

Afterall he is one of my favorite youtube critics as he's passionate for movies and all just like me and a film student. Yet not everything in the past was gold according to him as there's much shit as there is today like say Cannibal Terror (which was one of the worst films i ever suffered through even when i rented it in the 90s and seeing it again recently and the worst film Mike aka Ocpcommunications saw in 2016 as he suffered through it like i did as now he knows what it's like watching that extremely horrid piece of garbage from 1980) or Demented from 1980 which baffles me and Mike of why Scream factory released such an abomination on blu-ray, he suffered watching that absolute piece of garbage back in 2016 on his reviews as much as i suffered watching that shitpile when i was 13 when i rented it on video then rewatched it again in 2015 on youtube as it was such an absolute pile of garbage that deserves to be burned and never seen again by human eyes.

If i ever saw a copy of Demented at a pawn shop i would use it as a drink coaster. Yet i can't wait for Mike when he does his respect elder cinema video which i requested to him to do a video on respecting some films of the past 1990 to above and appreciating them for what they did and how some succeeded



Personally i see nothing wrong with Robocop as i think it's a perfect movie as i grew up with it since i saw it in theaters as a kid and he's one of my fave movie characters and the original is one of my fave movies and i give the original 5 out of 5 stars plus i give RC 2 4 out of 5 (very underrated film), RC 3 half a star and Robocrap (2014 remake) zero stars just like i give Ghostbusters 1984 5 stars, GB 2 4 out of 5 and Assbusters 2016 No stars.

I am a person with high standards afterall! The biggest problem with film today if you ask me boils down to the audiences themselves.

I would argue it's not audiences getting dumber that's the problem. It's audiences lowering their expectations that is. So much of the mass audience nowadays that sees films have standards that are so low that all that matters is that the film was entertaining or had a few scenes they liked. And it's a good if not great movie.

They are also lacking respect for elder cinema, and don't have the necessary knowledge of what makes a film good, great or even truly terrible. They lack appreciation for every aspect of filmmaking and don't really know what is truly good, bad or even mediocre because their standards are so low.

And Hollywood studios know this. This is why they pump out formulaic lazy sequels, prequels, remakes and reboots because they know the audiences eat it up and does not ask that much of them anymore.

Yes. There are exceptions. But they are clearly outnumbered by the mass amount of people who have lowered expectations and let their viewing habits and opinions on films be skewed by youtube videos (despite i do like Ocpcommunications and Ramboraph4life) and rotten tomatoes scores. Further spreading this cancerous disease of little to no standards for filmmaking or storytelling. And the death of the individual opinion amongst the hordes of audience members.


I have to say it. Too many people have lowered expectations or vague semblances of standards. Especially when it comes to films. The idea that any film is good if it entertained someone, and it provides jobs is to me personally a giant load of steaming bullshit.

First off, I have no issue if people are entertained by any film. Second, I also appreciate the hard work that gets put into making a film by multiple different people. But for me, the fact that a film was entertaining or that it provided work for someone is not enough of a reason for me to give a film a pass, or to lower my standards or to erase them completely.

Every film should not be a success. Just like every film should not be a failure. Whether it's financially or critically every film should have some kind of barometer for quality. If the barometer is nonexistent or is centered around vague concepts, then there are no heights for a film to climb to, no rewards, and nothing is ever at stake.

And film to me personally is more than just a source of entertainment. It's an art form. It's storytelling. And it is also a product. And as a form of storytelling and art, I want it to be able to continually evolve and to improve. And it will not be able to do that if people adopt the mindset that every film no matter how bad it is or how worthless its value is to cinema as a whole is good, let alone acceptable. Nothing ever gets better that way.

Constructive criticism is vital for improvement and sustained success. Patting every film on the back is not going to produce much improvement let alone success. It has to be held accountable sometimes for failure. Without that accountability, nothing will ever change. The quality of cinema will stay stagnant because the audience has placed their standards to such a low point that the quality never rises. It just stays mired in mediocrity or total shit.

And as a product, I expect the film to be of as high quality as it can be. If the film has a budget of hundreds of millions of dollars, I expect great effects and production values. If it has a low budget I expect the filmmakers to use what little they have to great effect. I also expect the stories to be somewhat original and spins on old ideas. Not lazy retreads of popular stories, characters, and franchises that I already know about and have seen plenty of already.

And the fact that films create jobs is not enough of a reason for me to have lowered standards or none at all. It's great that they provide work opportunities for people. But do you think every pizza you order with delivery is good, let alone great just because it provided a job for the person who made it? I sincerely doubt that you feel that way. I know I don't.

It's the same with films. Just like the pizza, whether or not it provided work for people is completely irrelevant to the overall quality of the product. And if someone enjoys that slice of low effort burnt pizza that doesn't make that pizza worth being made and served to the masses. The same applies to films. If an incompetent, poorly written film gets made and is universally reviled it should not be considered a success just because it got made and one person on the internet kinda of liked it.

If you adopt the mindset that every film is worth being made because it provided work or entertainment? That's fine. But keep in mind that this mindset is devastating for the form of entertainment you enjoy and consume. It essentially gives every film no matter how critics or audiences perceive it a gold star. And if critics and audiences as a whole took that mindset? Studios would crank out low effort films that were mediocre at best until they ran out of money or till the end of time. If you want film studios and filmmakers to strive for above average let alone great? You have to have higher standards than this.

The truth hurts.
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It's cause i'm like Ocpcommunications (ever heard of that youtube critic? him and Ramboraph4life are like youtube's siskel and ebert and better than JeremyJahns, Chrisstuckman and more!) is like me and he's one of my friends on facebook/youtube and he is a real person with high standards in film like me who has a passion for movies like me and can see through the errors of Hollywood now who is not blinded by the beauty of the movie sometimes like for example he is a hardcore fan of Robocop 1 and 2 (except for 3 and the remake which he despises like me) and Ghostbusters 1 and 2 and Elm Street films (except 5 and the remake which he despised both) as he calls Robocop 2014 as Robocock (he said it on his rant/review of why he refuses to call it Robocop and calls it Robocock because he shows a clip of the actor playing Robocop mispronouncing the name Robocop with his foreign accent and that the film was a robotic dildo that rapes the franchise more than 3 did) and as much as he calls Ghostbusters 2016 "Ballbusters" because it has the 4 characters in the film shoot the logo in the balls in the film and it was such a poorly made poorly written poorly paced overlong joyless unfunny badly made piece of garbage according to him which i agree even when he gave the film "no stars".

Afterall he is one of my favorite youtube critics as he's passionate for movies and all just like me and a film student. Yet not everything in the past was gold according to him as there's much shit as there is today like say Cannibal Terror (which was one of the worst films i ever suffered through even when i rented it in the 90s and seeing it again recently and the worst film Mike aka Ocpcommunications saw in 2016 as he suffered through it like i did as now he knows what it's like watching that extremely horrid piece of garbage from 1980) or Demented from 1980 which baffles me and Mike of why Scream factory released such an abomination on blu-ray, he suffered watching that absolute piece of garbage back in 2016 on his reviews as much as i suffered watching that shitpile when i was 13 when i rented it on video then rewatched it again in 2015 on youtube as it was such an absolute pile of garbage that deserves to be burned and never seen again by human eyes.

If i ever saw a copy of Demented at a pawn shop i would use it as a drink coaster. Yet i can't wait for Mike when he does his respect elder cinema video which i requested to him to do a video on respecting some films of the past 1990 to above and appreciating them for what they did and how some succeeded



Personally i see nothing wrong with Robocop as i think it's a perfect movie as i grew up with it since i saw it in theaters as a kid and he's one of my fave movie characters and the original is one of my fave movies and i give the original 5 out of 5 stars plus i give RC 2 4 out of 5 (very underrated film), RC 3 half a star and Robocrap (2014 remake) zero stars just like i give Ghostbusters 1984 5 stars, GB 2 4 out of 5 and Assbusters 2016 No stars.

I am a person with high standards afterall! The biggest problem with film today if you ask me boils down to the audiences themselves.

I would argue it's not audiences getting dumber that's the problem. It's audiences lowering their expectations that is. So much of the mass audience nowadays that sees films have standards that are so low that all that matters is that the film was entertaining or had a few scenes they liked. And it's a good if not great movie.

They are also lacking respect for elder cinema, and don't have the necessary knowledge of what makes a film good, great or even truly terrible. They lack appreciation for every aspect of filmmaking and don't really know what is truly good, bad or even mediocre because their standards are so low.

And Hollywood studios know this. This is why they pump out formulaic lazy sequels, prequels, remakes and reboots because they know the audiences eat it up and does not ask that much of them anymore.

Yes. There are exceptions. But they are clearly outnumbered by the mass amount of people who have lowered expectations and let their viewing habits and opinions on films be skewed by youtube videos (despite i do like Ocpcommunications and Ramboraph4life) and rotten tomatoes scores. Further spreading this cancerous disease of little to no standards for filmmaking or storytelling. And the death of the individual opinion amongst the hordes of audience members.


I have to say it. Too many people have lowered expectations or vague semblances of standards. Especially when it comes to films. The idea that any film is good if it entertained someone, and it provides jobs is to me personally a giant load of steaming bullshit.

First off, I have no issue if people are entertained by any film. Second, I also appreciate the hard work that gets put into making a film by multiple different people. But for me, the fact that a film was entertaining or that it provided work for someone is not enough of a reason for me to give a film a pass, or to lower my standards or to erase them completely.

Every film should not be a success. Just like every film should not be a failure. Whether it's financially or critically every film should have some kind of barometer for quality. If the barometer is nonexistent or is centered around vague concepts, then there are no heights for a film to climb to, no rewards, and nothing is ever at stake.

And film to me personally is more than just a source of entertainment. It's an art form. It's storytelling. And it is also a product. And as a form of storytelling and art, I want it to be able to continually evolve and to improve. And it will not be able to do that if people adopt the mindset that every film no matter how bad it is or how worthless its value is to cinema as a whole is good, let alone acceptable. Nothing ever gets better that way.

Constructive criticism is vital for improvement and sustained success. Patting every film on the back is not going to produce much improvement let alone success. It has to be held accountable sometimes for failure. Without that accountability, nothing will ever change. The quality of cinema will stay stagnant because the audience has placed their standards to such a low point that the quality never rises. It just stays mired in mediocrity or total shit.

And as a product, I expect the film to be of as high quality as it can be. If the film has a budget of hundreds of millions of dollars, I expect great effects and production values. If it has a low budget I expect the filmmakers to use what little they have to great effect. I also expect the stories to be somewhat original and spins on old ideas. Not lazy retreads of popular stories, characters, and franchises that I already know about and have seen plenty of already.

And the fact that films create jobs is not enough of a reason for me to have lowered standards or none at all. It's great that they provide work opportunities for people. But do you think every pizza you order with delivery is good, let alone great just because it provided a job for the person who made it? I sincerely doubt that you feel that way. I know I don't.

It's the same with films. Just like the pizza, whether or not it provided work for people is completely irrelevant to the overall quality of the product. And if someone enjoys that slice of low effort burnt pizza that doesn't make that pizza worth being made and served to the masses. The same applies to films. If an incompetent, poorly written film gets made and is universally reviled it should not be considered a success just because it got made and one person on the internet kinda of liked it.

If you adopt the mindset that every film is worth being made because it provided work or entertainment? That's fine. But keep in mind that this mindset is devastating for the form of entertainment you enjoy and consume. It essentially gives every film no matter how critics or audiences perceive it a gold star. And if critics and audiences as a whole took that mindset? Studios would crank out low effort films that were mediocre at best until they ran out of money or till the end of time. If you want film studios and filmmakers to strive for above average let alone great? You have to have higher standards than this.

The truth hurts.
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