Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You don’t act like you prefer disc to be fair.

I have more discs than digital. granted i just hit 500 digital, but that's probably close to 300 UV codes + the ones i've bought (mostly $2 d2d or cheap codes).

[x7q3]

All those people who bought hundreds of movies on Google Play/Vudu, etc... I wonder what they will do when that service shuts down?

Your account and its purchased movies are connected to Vudu/Google Play, and without the service, your movies vanish as well.

Are these people just going to go to a different service and re-buy the same movies over and over, until the end of time?

This is a big reason I prefer disc.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

I have more discs than digital. granted i just hit 500 digital, but that's probably close to 300 UV codes + the ones i've bought (mostly $2 d2d or cheap codes).

Ummmmm, congratulations?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

When did "instinctual" become a synonym for "pessimistic?"

Like when your "instincts" told you that I would convert to buying only digital within the year? Those same instincts?

If you are not one to take "the easy route," then why were you suggesting that I should help you to prove your point?

How contagious are those "pro-digital tendencies?" Is redeeming the digital code that came with a disc purchase one of the early danger signs, doctor?

What I was ‘suggesting’ is that if you are going to start quoting people’s (my) multiple posts to discredit them or try to ridicule them, then surely you have to be prepared to question other’s motives or opinions too. If not, well, there is a word for that.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I don't care if it is "happening." It is not a threat. Perhaps you should not read so much of this stuff if it only upsets you?

None of your post contains "evidence." An uncited random Twitter comment and an unspecified number of, and also uncited, Netflix user comments are what you call evidence?

An "actual" comment on Twitter is hardly a cause for an alarm. I read a comment from this guy that thinks vertical TVs might take off in a big way and that we will be taxed for binge watching and sitting on our bums too long.

30 minute time slots for TV episodes have been a staple on TV for over 70 years now. Nothing new here. They used to average 26 minutes per episode and now they average just 22 minutes, but that's due to more commercials being aired as more ads were steadily and slowly added over the years. None of this is the fault of millenials, your favorite scapegoats.

Ironically, 30 minute Netflix episodes is actually an INCREASE in episode length.

We have ALWAYS had short form video entertainment; it even predates the Nickelodeon theaters which were common from 1905-1915. Again, nothing new here, either. Long and short from content have always co-existed. They will continue to do so.

Even if bite size entertainment increases in popularity, that does not mean that traditional length TV shows and movies will cease to be offered and made. You are ever the eager grave digger, always ready to bury something.

My name isn't "Luke," either.

Anyway, to get back on topic, an industry backed short form service (Quibi) will have the backing of most major tv and film companies and launch in April 2020. The creator (Jeffrey Katzenburg) believes it will change the Hollywood and tv landscape like HBO did when it was launched. He is targeting millennials at first and I believe this will only encourage the move away from long form and living room TVs. This will be subscription or free with ads.

It’s happening guys, wake up.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1556717977

Their bitrate for 5.1 audio was 192 kb/s? I'm no audio guy but holy hell that must've sounded shite.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not happy with interactive crap, Netflix now want to split movies into a mini series. The first one will be The Hateful Eight.

Easy there tiger. Tarantino made his feelings about the recut quite plain here: https://www.slashfilm.com/hateful-ei...ix-miniseries/, and he's guest directed episodes of TV before.

I reacted with horror at this news, mainly because Tarantino's got such a hatred for digital cinema, but I thoroughly enjoyed the 'mini series' recut of Hateful Eight.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Their bitrate for 5.1 audio was 192 kb/s? I'm no audio guy but holy hell that must've sounded shite.


Easy there tiger. Tarantino made his feelings about the recut quite plain here: https://www.slashfilm.com/hateful-ei...ix-miniseries/, and he's guest directed episodes of TV before.

I reacted with horror at this news, mainly because Tarantino's got such a hatred for digital cinema, but I thoroughly enjoyed the 'mini series' recut of Hateful Eight.

It sets a precedent. Regardless, we have even larger concerns. See my last post.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by x7q3

Are these people just going to go to a different service and re-buy the same movies over and over, until the end of time?

Quite a few of my movies I have had on LaserVision, DVD, D-VHS D-Theater and Blu-ray and few have made it to UHD Blu-ray. The big difference was/is none of those titles on the different formats quit playing. Still have a few D-VHS D-Theater titles that have not made it to BD.

Recently, I asked Fox (Disney) the procedure of how to get a refund for the digital code (MA) that came with the UHD/4K Alien disc. As expected, the runaround, the last email gave me a phone number that I was to call with my case number. It is clear Disney has no intention of providing a refund as the court ordered.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What I was ‘suggesting’ is that if you are going to start quoting people’s (my) multiple posts to discredit them or try to ridicule them, then surely you have to be prepared to question other’s motives or opinions too. If not, well, there is a word for that.

When you choose to post some of your wild and unsupported predictions in some threads, there is nothing wrong, or sinister, about linking to your other predictions made in different threads. It provides context and shows the breadth and depth of your negative outlook for virtually any and everything. It reveals a pattern to your thinking, namely the pattern of a crazy quilt.

It is your own posts that discredit you if anything does so; not my, or anyone else, simply quoting them. If your posts have merit in one thread, then they should have merit in other threads. If your posts are ridiculous (hint: they often are!), then they remain ridiculous in other threads. When you say ridiculous things repeatedly then the one thing that you can reliably predict is that you will receive ridicule.

If a person's posts discredit them, they need to remember who the author was and look no further than that for the blame. If a person does not want to be quoted, then they should not speak. Once a person does speak, anyone may quote them. If you find yourself embarrassed by your posts, then put more thought into them before making them.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

When you choose to post some of your wild and unsupported predictions in some threads, there is nothing wrong, or sinister, about linking to your other predictions made in different threads. It provides context and shows the breadth and depth of your negative outlook for virtually any and everything. It reveals a pattern to your thinking, namely that of a crazy quilt.

It is your own posts that discredit you if anything does so; not my, or anyone else, simply quoting them. If your posts have merit in one thread, they should have merit in other threads. If your posts are ridiculous (hint: they often are!), then they remain ridiculous in other threads.

If a person does not want to quoted, then they should not speak. Once a person does speak, anyone may quote them. If you find yourself embarrassed by your posts, then put more thought into them before making them.

No, my point was, you went to great lengths to look up and then multi quote my posts but then when I offer an opinion or ask you to look back, you can’t be bothered.

Nothing in my last few posts could be seen as anything but the truth. Those things are indeed happening and thy do need threaten long form entertainment and tv screen viewing.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Anyway, to get back on topic, an industry backed short form service (Quibi) will have the backing of most major tv and film companies and launch in April 2020. The creator (Jeffrey Katzenburg) believes it will change the Hollywood and tv landscape like HBO did when it was launched. He is targeting millennials at first and I believe this will only encourage the move away from long form and living room TVs. This will be subscription or free with ads.

It’s happening guys, wake up.

Never heard of Quibi nor do I care who is supporting it. I don't care what Katzenburg believes, or doesn't believe, nor whom is he targeting.

It remains in doubt if this service will succeed or not and I do not care either way. It will not do any harm to long form content regardless. Short and long form content have coexisted for more than a century and there is ZERO evidence that long form content is in any way endangered. Once again, box office attendance, where long form content is shown among other places, is up and young audiences are contributing heavily to that growth.

You not only ignore facts that do not fit your agenda; you ignore history as well.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No, my point was, you went to great lengths to look up and then multi quote my posts but then when I offer an opinion or ask you to look back, you can’t be bothered.

Nothing in my last few posts could be seen as anything but the truth. Those things are indeed happening and thy do need threaten long form entertainment and tv screen viewing.

I am not going to research the sincerity of a forum member's self-stated preference for discs. I have no reason to do so. I choose to believe him; this does not seem like something that he would go out of his way to lie about. Why would he lie about it? To curry your favor? Some things are worth the effort to research and some things are not.

The conclusions that you draw from these "happenings" are not only not truthful, they are delusional. You have no proof that anything is being harmed.

Pay TV revenue is up and so is box office attendance; these are facts that can be looked up and independently verified. I have provided links to these facts previously.

A statement is not a fact simply because you made it or believe in it. A fact can be proven and verified. Nothing in your conclusions meet these requirements. You have no proof.

[avs commenter]

A 3 hour movie just made over 2 billion dollars.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

A 3 hour movie just made over 2 billion dollars.

Yeah, and the average age of those in attendance was surely well over 40, right? Younger audiences would have no interest in such a movie.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

This isn't the first time I've seen a counterpoint akin to this come up, but I love how when someone points out someone else's posting patterns (and the issues with them) by quoting several of their posts, the response is something along the lines of how they went to "great lengths" or "took a lot of time" to do that, as if to suggest that they are "crazy" for doing so.

In reality, using the search feature and looking up a few key words, it is generally pretty easy to do so, and may be a 10 to 20 minute endeavor at most. Yeah, it is such an endurance trial to sit behind a keyboard and search things for a few minutes. The level of effort and difficultly of doing so is REALLY high up there with such other extremely difficult things like picking up a napkin.

I'm sure most of us have spent more time on more meaningless things than searching someone's posts for a few minutes.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

This isn't the first time I've seen a counterpoint akin to this come up, but I love how when someone points out someone else's posting patterns (and the issues with them) by quoting several of their posts, the response is something along the lines of how they went to "great lengths" or "took a lot of time" to do that, as if to suggest that they are "crazy" for doing so.

In reality, using the search feature and looking up a few key words, it is generally pretty easy to do so, and may be a 10 to 20 minute endeavor at most. Yeah, it is such an endurance trial to sit behind a keyboard and search things for a few minutes. The level of effort and difficultly of doing so is REALLY high up there with such other extremely difficult things like picking up a napkin.

I'm sure most of us have spent more time on more meaningless things than searching someone's posts for a few minutes.

You are missing the point.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are missing the point.

No "great lengths" were required to find posts of yours that contained wacky unsubstantiated predictions. Almost all of them do and you are a prolific poster.

A forum member stating that they prefer the quality of discs while still very much enjoying digital titles is not a claim that raises skepticism nor does it inspire one to investigate further.

Predicting the end of TVs, TV shows, movies, horizontal aspect ratios, binge watching, craveable foods, and more, well, that DOES raise eyebrows.

If it is so important to you, then by all means you go and read all of his posts and see if you can undermine his stated preference and take your time getting back to us. In other words, go to your own "great lengths", you lazy arse- and before you get taxed for being one.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

No "great lengths" were required to find posts of yours that contained wacky unsubstantiated predictions. Almost all of them do and you are a prolific poster.

A forum member stating that they prefer the quality of discs while still very much enjoying digital titles is not a claim that raises skepticism nor does it inspire one to investigate further.

Predicting the end of TVs, TV shows, movies, horizontal aspect ratios, binge watching, craveable foods, and more, well, that DOES raise eyebrows.

If it is so important to you, then by all means you go and read all of his posts and see if you can undermine his stated preference and take your time getting back to us. In other words, go to your own "great lengths", you lazy arse- and before you get taxed for being one.

You honestly don’t see it? After everything that that poster had posted in here?

I’m stunned. Are you on a wind up?

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are missing the point.

I'm not missing the point at all. I was just addressing that one part of what you said. And I hit the nail on the head. End of story.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I'm not missing the point at all. I was just addressing that one part of what you said. And I hit the nail on the head. End of story.

Ah, I see. You are jumping in, deciphering one part of my post and dismissing the actual point I was trying to make. Ok.

This isn’t the first time I have seen this come up.