The Shining 4K UHD (1980)

[Alister_M]

Well, there's definitely existing French and Spanish dubs for the US cut as those are included on the old BD.

[eddievanhalen]

Originally Posted by infiniteCR

EU version please. Thanks.

Hell, no. I always thought that The Shinning (I live in Spain but I've only watched it twice in Spanish) had continuity issues. When I ordered the US BD back in 2007 and found out that this cut was longer and then I watched it I got to know why its pace always seemed off to me.
US cut for me please.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

Well, there's definitely existing French and Spanish dubs for the US cut as those are included on the old BD.

Thanks. I'm getting myself in a tizzy, I remembered a post that Pieter made with a load of languages listed but I'm mistaken, it only mentions French, German and Spanish as alternative language options with everything else by way of subtitles, so my question is a moo point.

That said, there is an upside: unusually for Warners, this UHD won't have a stupid amount of bitrate being dedicated towards approximately 57 different language tracks - so most of that BD100 will be given over to the video encode, there are no excuses if Warners ****s this up in any way.

[captainsolo]

Originally Posted by Matt89

So I attended that screening last night at TIFF and I have to say: WOW.

The film looks absolutely gorgeous, we sat in the third row because we wanted to really feel immersed in the film and wow did that ever create an experience (I also really wanted to be able to see the film grain lol).

The first thing I really noticed was the sound. I've never heard the audio so clear and the soundtrack and musical cues have such depth. It's really loud without being overtly so, and it never overpowers dialogue. I found it really added to the tension in many scenes, especially the ones where Danny has his visions of the elevators of blood, when he's in the room playing darts and the Grady daughters walk in and the opening credits really pack a punch. It's just a really intense aural experience that I've never had watching this film before. It sounds really, really good.

And the video: There's so much beautiful grain on this master, you can see every snowflake during the snowstorms, and the movie has this really diffused, beautiful hazy look in a lot of shots (obviously intentional) but what I really wanna stress is how beautifully rendered those shots are. You can just see the haze hanging there when Jack is walking down the hallway before the party scene in the Gold Room, among others. The red of the bathroom with Jack and Grady really pops. The colours are so beautiful and vibrant (the tennis ball is back to its yellow/green colour ) and that pink look that the previous blu-ray had is completely gone.

Oh and for the record, the Saul Bass logo is not present on this restoration. It starts with the same Warner logo that was on the previous blu-ray. Minor gripe though for what really is an incredibly beautiful restoration. Unless Warner somehow f*cks up the compression (which I honestly doubt), people are going to be blown away with this one.

One small thing I wasn't totally sure about: the title cards that say 'WEDNESDAY', 'THURSDAY' etc, were those always in the top half of the frame? That's where they are on this new restoration (they're slightly above the middle of the frame) and I for some reason always remembered them being centred in the middle of the frame. I may be wrong on that though.

~Matt

Sounds very promising and makes me hopeful. It sounds very reminiscent of my experience with the last struck prints done in 2000 or so which are gorgeous and carry the remixed audio which sounded far better than the home releases of them in a theater. Of course this new master will be without the gate weave and inherent printed damage of those. I’m peeved over the new logo insertion but we’re all relegated to that fate by now.

Geoff I think the 2000 dvd was the last with mono so it’s only been gone for 19 years and counting.

[Geoff D]

I did say "a good couple of decades", 19 years ain't exactly too far off mate.

[Amano]

I think that it is great achievement to get to a short cut. You start with a workprint and start removing stuff. Longer is not always better, today it probably depends on which cut you are accustomed to.

I loved the export cut of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. Now I just have the original Italian cut on Blu Ray and, alas, I cannot like it as much as my preferred export cut. It's probably a nostalgia issue, I don't know.

[Bobbyjoe766]

I’m more acquainted with the European Cut, but I prefer the longer US version. Both are great. Ideally, both should be made available for the 4K home video release.

Not the ideal solution, but if the European Cut is not given a 4K release, people wanting the shorter edit can cut down the US version with editing software - provided there aren’t any problematic scene dissolves.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by Bronson13

Who cares? Europe should be happy they finally get the original, vastly superior cut of the film. You have now been blessed. You don’t have to settle for the forced cut down version of the film. You guys are so lucky!

Bronson13 for President in 2020!

[chas speed]

I don't know how often this has been discussed, but when the movie came out Stephen King didn't like it. He had a long list of complaints and they all seemed reasonable to me. A few years later I read the book (didn't really like it), but I was shocked that all of King's complaints seemed like King had never read his own book. Despite what King said the Jack in the book seemed completely crazy at the beginning. He would have tried to kill his family if they had stayed at a Motel 6 for the winter. Most of my favorite things about the movie were not even in the book. Anyway, I just thought all of King's complaints were nuts and I side with Kubrick. I'm not even that big a fan of Kubrick's later films, but I do appreciate The Shining (the film) a LOT more after reading the book. The book seemed to end with Jack hitting his head with a hammer over and over again as he becomes different people. There just seemed to be a lot of things in the book that could not have been put in a movie.

[HAL237]

Most of the changes Kubrick made were improvements upon the source material, imo.

He made it his own, which is what all great film makers do.

[chas speed]

Originally Posted by HAL237

Most of the changes Kubrick made were improvements upon the source material, imo.

He made it his own, which is what all great film makers do.

When you read "Carrie" you kind of think that it would make a great movie, but I didn't pick up that from "The Shining". It was always going to be a very tough book to adapt.

[Bobbyjoe766]

Originally Posted by chas speed

I don't know how often this has been discussed, but when the movie came out Stephen King didn't like it. He had a long list of complaints and they all seemed reasonable to me. A few years later I read the book (didn't really like it), but I was shocked that all of King's complaints seemed like King had never read his own book. Despite what King said the Jack in the book seemed completely crazy at the beginning. He would have tried to kill his family if they had stayed at a Motel 6 for the winter. Most of my favorite things about the movie were not even in the book. Anyway, I just thought all of King's complaints were nuts and I side with Kubrick. I'm not even that big a fan of Kubrick's later films, but I do appreciate The Shining (the film) a LOT more after reading the book. The book seemed to end with Jack hitting his head with a hammer over and over again as he becomes different people. There just seemed to be a lot of things in the book that could not have been put in a movie.

The animated hedge animals are sh*t. Like JAWS, I much prefer the film to the book. The 1997 mini-series is as bad as the book.

[Bronson13]

Originally Posted by HAL237

Most of the changes Kubrick made were improvements upon the source material, imo.

He made it his own, which is what all great film makers do.

100% this!

All of his changes were for the better. Also, the book is very clear that it is a ghost story. you have no idea what is going on in Kubrick's film.

I do think they need to make a true book adaptation for the big screen though because that mini series is god awful. then make a Doctor Sleep movie off of that one. I have no idea why they're doing a Doctor Sleep movie without making a proper book adaptation first....

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Sources? That was the cut he released in the US. His original director's cut. After release he trimmed one scene but was happy to leave the rest as is. The other regions didn't get a release until later, and only then did he cut it down after mixed reviews. So yeah, the US cut is the cut he wanted to release.

Why do you need a source when the facts are right there in front of you? Or you just think the US version he cut and released first was just some goofy test? Good lord, some people. Grow up and use common sense for once.

If he preferred the UK cut, why was it never released in the US on home video? I mean, if he loved it so much, why didn't he push WB to release what you think is his "preferred" version" on subsequent home video releases? Think please.

If anyone wants the shorter alternate cut (yes, it was an alternate cut released later), use the fast forward button. Problem solved.

Do you even know how to have a conversation without being a jerk to everyone you talk to? I have no idea how you haven't been permanently banned by now,. You are astonishingly abrasive and anyone who has ever crossed paths with you in here knows it. You must be an incredibly angry person in life.

Sorry to everyone else for the rant but I can't stand seeing your rude, mean-spirited, ignorant insults being fired off at anyone that makes the mistake of addressing you.

BTW you are on my ignore list- I just came across your post because I wasn't logged in.

[Owenjohnston]

Originally Posted by Matt89

The red of the bathroom with Jack and Grady really pops.

That was the first scene I thought of when I read about this release. the red in HDR Thanks for the review. Can't wait to get this on 4k, although it won't touch the cinema experience.

[andyk69]

I watched the film yesterday and also the Vivian Kubrick documentary and the View from the Overloook making off.
It caught my attention that in at least 2 times Vivian an another person said that Kubrick didnt like things explained or spelled very much and liked that audiences make their own interpretation which leads me to believe the Euro cut would be his prefered one as in this one most of the scenes missing from the US cut are explaining things further.

[English Patient]

Saw this interesting on-set photo of a deleted scene in which Jack discovers the scrapbook of the Overlook's history:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StanleyKubr...ing_a_deleted/

[Marv Inc.]

They had the scrapbook at one of the exhibitions a few years back.

[Owenjohnston]

Originally Posted by Narcissus

This is why there is no BluRay/4K of most of James Cameron's library. Studios cannot issue a home video release he doesn't sign off on. It's in every one of his contracts. This is of course a double edged sword, because we're completely at his mercy for releases, yet at the same time, no one can say it isn't in the directors version/what the director wanted.

So he actually APPROVED Terminator 2 4k?

[FreddyC]

Originally Posted by andyk69

I watched the film yesterday and also the Vivian Kubrick documentary and the View from the Overloook making off.
It caught my attention that in at least 2 times Vivian an another person said that Kubrick didnt like things explained or spelled very much and liked that audiences make their own interpretation which leads me to believe the Euro cut would be his prefered one as in this one most of the scenes missing from the US cut are explaining things further.

That's one of the things that draws me to Kubricks work. It's art in my opinion and letting the audience do some interpreting by bringing their own bias, past, worldview, etc into the experience is a bonus for me. Not every movie should be or needs to be that, but I do appreciate a director that isn't afraid to put something out there that is complex and thought provoking, which allows the viewer to explore their own feelings about the experience. It also makes his films so rewatchable.

I've seen The Shining 20 times in my life and I still seem to find a different way to think about certain aspects and scenes. It's a film that evolves for me.