Superman Sequel Thoughts & Rumors Thread (Old)

[STARSCREAM]

Just hope they don't make him a p**** in this one. Almost anything will be better than Returns was.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by Moefiz

Back in the 90's, there was a Superman limited series where John Byrne did a reboot of Superman origin he kept most of the basic principles but he also mage some changes to make it more modern.

I think they need to do a reboot of the franchise using Bryne version.It would make it more modern.

john bryne's the man of steel came out in the 80's shortly after crisis on infinite earths. by the 90's john bryne was gone from superman. he wasn't even involved in the death of superman storyline.

[Clark Kent]

Interesting news for sure. I think Warner Bros. realizes that the audience is just not there right now for a whole new direction. A sequel, even without the principal players from Superman Returns, makes sense to me. I worry less about the casting and more about the storyline. I think either Tom Welling or Brandon Routh can pull the character off in a movie.

[Blu-ray Fanatic]

Well, Warner Bros, bring it on!!!!

[Verisimilitude]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Here's the most interesting thing about all of this...

If the SR nay-sayers are correct and they reboot, the reboot nay-sayers will still go see the film in order to see what has been done with their beloved Kal-El.

If the reboot nay-sayers are correct and they create sequel, the SR nay-sayers will ALSO still go see the film in order to give it a second chance.

So, with all of the banter surrounding the topic of conversation in this thread, I ask:

DOES IT REALLY MATTER UNTIL WB SAYS SOMETHING OFFICAL?

Good point. Although I do go by trailers as an indicator. I would also add it matters, because I saw Superman Returns 4 times at the cinema and if I dislike the Wachowski movie reboot (if I did see it) I wouldn't dare waste my money on seeing it more than once!

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Now THAT'S what I call a well executed parry! (see fencing defensive strategy if you don't understand the reference)

Actually, I have to disagree here Petra.

The point that it's all coming from is that Reeve 'passed the torch' to Welling with regards to Superman, assuming that he wouldn't have done the same to Routh given the chance.

Facts are, he didn't have that chance, as he had passed on before they even started pre-production of Returns.

Given that the movie paid such homage to the movies that Reeve himself was in, and Routh did such a good job of nailing the performance that Reeve himself did, I can't see why Reeve wouldn't have wanted to be involved.

ckent22 is going on the assumption that Reeve wouldn't have passed the torch on to Routh if given the chance, the facts on that are that we'll never know if he would have or not.

So it wasn't really a parry so much as a trip and fall.

Logan

[Sussudio]

i dont think there was really any "passing the torch" (although i have to admit i've never even thought of it that way). reeve appeared on smallville for the fans and because he loved acting. smallville has many homages to the old superman movies and his guest starring was one of the best. the writers had a storyline for him and he accepted. besides, it isn't like reeve is the one given the job of designating who is going to be the next superman

[ckent22]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Actually, I have to disagree here Petra.

The point that it's all coming from is that Reeve 'passed the torch' to Welling with regards to Superman, assuming that he wouldn't have done the same to Routh given the chance.

Facts are, he didn't have that chance, as he had passed on before they even started pre-production of Returns.

Given that the movie paid such homage to the movies that Reeve himself was in, and Routh did such a good job of nailing the performance that Reeve himself did, I can't see why Reeve wouldn't have wanted to be involved.

ckent22 is going on the assumption that Reeve wouldn't have passed the torch on to Routh if given the chance, the facts on that are that we'll never know if he would have or not.

So it wasn't really a parry so much as a trip and fall.

Logan

Of course you would disagree.

No, I'm not going on the assumption that Reeve would have had his name attached at all to Returns. First and foremost, because there was no part for him to play like there was in Smallville. Second, there was already other characters from the past films who made cameos in Smallville thus adding a unique characteristic to Smallville that other Superman productions haven't had. Take Margot Kidder, Annette O'toole, and Terrance Stamp who also made cameos. It's just that special feel where past meets present that Superman Returns didn't have.

Now, of course one can make the argument that Returns had Marlon Brando, but that was stock footage and I am not counting that, and no logical person would.

The point of all that is to say that these cameos and Reeve's appearance in addition to the cast and crew discussing "passing the torch" which isn't my phrase I would like to reiterate again isn't my phrase reiterate the point of all this which is the torch was passed to Welling and IMO, they made a film prematurely and should have casted Welling at the end of the run.

Now, before you jump on me. YES, I know that he Welling doesn't want to do another role as Clark Kent/Superman. However, I think with the right paycheck he could be persuaded. Money talks. And for MOST, Tom Welling is Clark Kent/Superman for this generation. Not Routh. And we can debate that until we're blue in the face. Yes, he's never worn the tights, but he's portrayed the Last Son of Krypton the best since Reeve. And it was only fitting for Reeve to make a guest appearance and pass the torch.

Routh did a horrible job IMO. So, his performance was nowhere on target of Reeve's performance. I HONESTLY don't know how you can even compare the two.

You can say I tripped and fell, but I don't think so. I think it bothers you trying to defend a mediocre film and a poor choice in casting for Returns in Routh.

Honestly, ask yourself why Singer felt the need to apologize for the boredom experienced during Returns. I mean does that not tell you anything?

The only person who tripped and fell is you.

[jadedeath]

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Originally Posted by ckent22

Routh did a horrible job IMO. So, his performance was nowhere on target of Reeve's performance. I HONESTLY don't know how you can even compare the two.

I'm not sure how you can't compare the two.

Welling isn't playing Superman, he's playing a strange Superman/Clark Kent amalgamation that isn't seen anywhere in the comics.

Routh on the other hand played Superman, and Clark Kent almost as good as Reeve did.

He got the Superman part almost right {save the emo-stalker stuff} his interactions with Lois as Superman were just as genuine as what Reeve did and he almost exactly got the bumbling tripping over himself Clark Kent that Reeve did.

I honestly don't see how you couldn't see that.

You can say I tripped and fell, but I don't think so. I think it bothers you trying to defend a mediocre film and a poor choice in casting for Returns in Routh.

You did trip and fall, you're trying to say that Reeve wouldn't pass the torch onto Routh when he never had the opportunity to and we all don't know what would happen anyway.

Honestly, ask yourself why Singer felt the need to apologize for the boredom experienced during Returns. I mean does that not tell you anything?

He had to apologize because it was a boring-ass movie, not because of Rouths acting {which is what we're discussing in case you forgot}

The only person who tripped and fell is you.

Well, as you're so fond of saying 'that's your opinion'

If you don't want to take my opinion on it, let's listen to what Kevin Smith has to say about it and he knows more about it than either you or I combined {owning a comic shop, having been involved in not only writing comics but writing a Superman script {and being paid to do it}} http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Ekv...e=channel_page it would appear that Kevin Smith seems to think that Routh was bang-on as Superman.

Logan

[JimboTHX1138]

I hope this is true. I think Routh could be great with the right script. At this point I just want Superman back on the big screen!!!

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

If you don't want to take my opinion on it, let's listen to what Kevin Smith has to say about it and he knows more about it than either you or I combined {owning a comic shop, having been involved in not only writing comics but writing a Superman script {and being paid to do it}} http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Ekv...e=channel_page it would appear that Kevin Smith seems to think that Routh was bang-on as Superman.

Logan

regardless of what kevin smith or anyone else said about routh, i personally think he was awesome. he was given the task of stepping into reeve's shoes and he mastered it imo, right down to the head movements. it can't be easy when you aren't given much freedom to create your own character, instead having to follow someone's else's acting, but routh nailed it. doesn't mean i think he should remain superman. if they recast i wouldn't be terribly disappointed, but i wouldn't mind if they kept him on either.

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by Sussudio

regardless of what kevin smith or anyone else said about routh, i personally think he was awesome. he was given the task of stepping into reeve's shoes and he mastered it imo, right down to the head movements. it can't be easy when you aren't given much freedom to create your own character, instead having to follow someone's else's acting, but routh nailed it.

Agree with you completely. Routh was the absolutely best thing about Superman Returns. He deserves to come back and I hope he does. I still see Welling as a kid. Couldn't imagine him in the costume, but I haven't watched Smallville in years.

[fighthefutureofhd]

agree there jason. i think routh was fantastic and was the best superman i've seen being played. i also don't think welling would work even if he is fantastic as clark kent. i will always see as the kid on smallville and not an actual superman. if we're tossing welling out there why not go ahead and throw zac efron out there as well.

[ajgoodfella7]

I wasn't all that impressed with Routh. I think the only reason he was casted is because he resembles Reeve. To me, he just doesn't look grown up enough. I would like to see a Superman movie with a Superman based on the Kingdom Come character.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by ajgoodfella7

I wasn't all that impressed with Routh. I think the only reason he was casted is because he resembles Reeve. To me, he just doesn't look grown up enough. I would like to see a Superman movie with a Superman based on the Kingdom Come character.

That would be pretty awesome.

Or give someone freedom enough to make a Superman movie using a Elseworlds template. Superman... but... not.

Logan

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Sussudio

regardless of what kevin smith or anyone else said about routh, i personally think he was awesome. he was given the task of stepping into reeve's shoes and he mastered it imo, right down to the head movements. it can't be easy when you aren't given much freedom to create your own character, instead having to follow someone's else's acting, but routh nailed it. doesn't mean i think he should remain superman. if they recast i wouldn't be terribly disappointed, but i wouldn't mind if they kept him on either.

I think he did a good job as Superman and Clark Kent, but I think in the next movie {if they have him back} he should be allowed to re-adjust the character slightly to make it his own instead of just having to do what Reeve did.

Logan

[fighthefutureofhd]

i think they're doing that. what with wanting to make superman all dark and stuff like the dark knight.

[ajgoodfella7]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

That would be pretty awesome.

Or give someone freedom enough to make a Superman movie using a Elseworlds template. Superman... but... not.

Logan

Can you imagine how awesome a Kingdom Come movie would be if done right? I always loved how Alex Ross drew Superman and Captain Marvel in that series.

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by ajgoodfella7

I wasn't all that impressed with Routh. I think the only reason he was casted is because he resembles Reeve. To me, he just doesn't look grown up enough. I would like to see a Superman movie with a Superman based on the Kingdom Come character.

that was the main qualifier

also reeve was actually YOUNGER when he played superman (in the first) than routh but you're right, routh def looks younger.

[ajgoodfella7]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

i think they're doing that. what with wanting to make superman all dark and stuff like the dark knight.

I meant with someone who looks like the Kingdom Come drawing of him. He looks like a much more mature guy who has been worn down through the years and is showing his age.