Batman 4K UHD (1989) (30th Anniversary Edition) - Page 65 - Blu-ray Forum

dublinbluray108 · 06-05-2019, 07:25 PM

I watched a clip last night of the first Batman scene in Batman 89 if you are considering buying the UHDs in future.

I put this up for Meirzwiak & others who are not liking the cyan in the movies can observe it.

Bladerunner5375 · 06-05-2019, 07:39 PM

I watched this for the first time since 1989. The sound is EXCELLENT, the picture is very good, but don't expect miracles. It was filmed in 1989, and was a dark picture to begin with. The movie itself? Well, just like I said to myself in 1989 when leaving the theatre, "Damn, that SUCKED."

cdittmer · 06-05-2019, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

It’s a joke. I tried calling a Walmart in Gatineau and the girl had no Idea what I was saying. I think she thought I was asking to speak to Batman. My lady tried another location and same thing lol.

I do think we will probably get them soon. I’m hoping by end of week.

I went to my local Sunrise Records in Saskatoon at lunchtime today. They had all 4 of the Batman 4K movies so I picked them up as I wasn't waiting for Amazon.ca to get their stock in. Interesting thing, they did not have these out on the shelves. I had to ask at the front counter and when I said I am looking for new 4K movies that came out yesterday they immediately asked "the Batman movies?" They just had them in their store room. So if Sunrise has stock here in Saskatoon I expect other Canadian locations may have them as well. Price was $34.99 each so a little more than Amazon. I don't mind supporting the only remaining bricks and mortar physical media store in Saskatoon.

ROSS.T.G. · 06-05-2019, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cdittmer

I went to my local Sunrise Records in Saskatoon at lunchtime today. They had all 4 of the Batman 4K movies so I picked them up as I wasn't waiting for Amazon.ca to get their stock in. Interesting thing, they did not have these out on the shelves. I had to ask at the front counter and when I said I am looking for new 4K movies that came out yesterday they immediately asked "the Batman movies?" They just had them in their store room. So if Sunrise has stock here in Saskatoon I expect other Canadian locations may have them as well. Price was $34.99 each so a little more than Amazon. I don't mind supporting the only remaining bricks and mortar physical media store in Saskatoon.

Thanks for sharing, hopefully other locations will get copies.

Mocorongo · 06-05-2019, 08:06 PM

If this clip represents what they did (I haven't checked the rest of the movie YET) then I advise not to buy it. Indeed the original audio isn't anywhere to be found in this 4K. The first part of that Youtube clip is from the regular 1080p Blu-ray (not the remastered one).

Why Crapner has to ruin these movies in so many ways? I took a few pictures from the old Blu-ray vs. the 4K, in my PC, using madVR as the MPC-HC's video renderer. Madvr will automatically send the HDR metadata to the TV when it is HDR capable. Otherwise it will convert the video to SDR so we can watch it (with proper colors) on a normal monitor/TV. My monitor is an old W2452V and the video card is also outdated: AMD R7 265.

If these caps in any way represent this release as it actually is... then Crapner did their digital tinkering AGAIN. And one thing I don't understand is why the change in the aspect ratio, notice how the 4K crops more than the old 1080p.

[Show spoiler]

Oh, and before someone kicks me for posting these pictures: first take some time to look what they did with the Superman movies:

4K vs old 1080p from Superman: The Movie:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2298

Superman II (DVD vs. 1080p):
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4855

Superman IV (DVD vs. 1080p):
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4866

Batman (1989) appears OK but the changes applied to a few scenes look really wrong to me. For example the first scene where Batman appears is too dark (haven't I seen the same issue in STM? hum...), and the one where he is fighting the Joker in the end was changed to reflect a BLUE light that isn't in the old 1080p release.

The movie appears darker and with a blue tone.

Why these reviews don't take any time to compare the old vs. new? Am I the only one left that cares about how faithful a movie is in these releases? If that's the case then all is lost.

I predict in the future only colorized versions from black and white classics will be released... considering where things are going. If they start doing that I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.

ROSS.T.G. · 06-05-2019, 08:12 PM

tama · 06-05-2019, 08:15 PM

Schism213 · 06-05-2019, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mocorongo

Am I the only one left that cares about how faithful a movie is in these releases?

You're the only one who's mentioned it so far

Mocorongo · 06-05-2019, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Schism213

You're the only one who's mentioned it so far

That's why I don't bother reading reviews. They all appear to be jerking off to whatever is new instead of doing their job.

No review has any value if it's not comparing the new with the old

Even if the old is a laserdisc I think it's worth checking

Based on the assumption the new will always be distant from what the movie really should look like and based on these companies history of changing these movies for whatever reason

Next thing someone is going to say is that the 4K is the one looking correct, and this blue light should have been there, it's just the old Blu-ray forgot to add, and it's too bright

Look what they did with The Matrix (1999) and that green tint cast over the "data" world.

If the sheeple think it's cool then why bother, uh?

For Batman: they didn't correct anything, instead made changes no one has asked

And about the new re-mix with changed sound effects, don't worry! Just wait another decade for Crapner to release the original one in another edition

It took Superman: The Movie years for that theatrical cut with the original track

Sky_Captain · 06-05-2019, 08:32 PM

RalphoR · 06-05-2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

It’s a joke. I tried calling a Walmart in Gatineau and the girl had no Idea what I was saying. I think she thought I was asking to speak to Batman. My lady tried another location and same thing lol.

I do think we will probably get them soon. I’m hoping by end of week.

You don't happen to own a blingy red phone and go by the name "Commissioner Gordon" do you?

Mierzwiak · 06-05-2019, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mocorongo

Am I the only one left that cares about how faithful a movie is in these releases?

Faithful to what?

Answer prints?
VHS?
Laser Disc?
DVD?
Blu-ray?

Tell us, please.

LegacyCosts · 06-05-2019, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Never liked that Blu, said at the time and got a ton of shit for it.
It was not even good for the time.

definitely agreed, all 4 movies look bland and washed out. I don't think I ever even finished any of them on blu ray, weird.

motorheadache95 · 06-05-2019, 08:56 PM

Everything I've seen indicates this movie is much closer to the film prints. Maybe a bit more of a teal push, but much better than the old Blu-Ray transfer. The audio mix though, was a huge misstep (the not including the original track).

I feel like some people's expectations about the original experience are a little too high sometimes, like the only way to satisfy that level of historical authenticity would be to collect vintage original prints and screen them. Which would actually be awesome and something I would do if I was rich

gates70 · 06-05-2019, 09:00 PM

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xfileed916 · 06-05-2019, 09:02 PM

For me personally, I loved the 4K presentation - both the visuals and the sound. It always bugged me how some of those sound fx sounded originally. Made it seem cheap. To my ears, they tastefully changed out those sound fx to newer ones. It didn't sound out of place like the sound mix for Terminator did (ooof!). Just my thoughts. For the purists, it is a shame they didn't include the original mix. But for me, this is a home run 4K blu!

ROSS.T.G. · 06-05-2019, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gates70

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We now have delivery date(s) for the order you placed on May 30, 2019 (Order# 701-8699057-5279449). We've listed the item(s) listed below with the expected delivery date(s):

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Lol

Fat Phil · 06-05-2019, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mocorongo

And one thing I don't understand is why the change in the aspect ratio, notice how the 4K crops more than the old 1080p.

No one's cropped nothin', sunshine. The original aspect ratio is 1.85:1. Exactly how it's presented on the UHD. The old blu-ray was opened up to 1.78:1

Fat Phil · 06-05-2019, 09:05 PM

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Estimated arrival date: July 04, 2019 - July 31, 2019
"Batman Returns (UHD/ BD) [Blu-ray]"
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Ouch. That's a joke The Joker would be proud of.

gates70 · 06-05-2019, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Lol

WOWHD trying to cash in with $48 a piece is even more lol

06-05-2019, 07:39 PM	#1282
Bladerunner5375 Active Member Member since:Dec 2011 4K collection:58 Blu-ray collection:85 Blu-ray reviews:2	I watched this for the first time since 1989. The sound is EXCELLENT, the picture is very good, but don't expect miracles. It was filmed in 1989, and was a dark picture to begin with. The movie itself? Well, just like I said to myself in 1989 when leaving the theatre, "Damn, that SUCKED."

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motorheadache95 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2009	Everything I've seen indicates this movie is much closer to the film prints. Maybe a bit more of a teal push, but much better than the old Blu-Ray transfer. The audio mix though, was a huge misstep (the not including the original track). I feel like some people's expectations about the original experience are a little too high sometimes, like the only way to satisfy that level of historical authenticity would be to collect vintage original prints and screen them. Which would actually be awesome and something I would do if I was rich

06-05-2019, 09:00 PM	#1295
gates70 Blu-ray Champion Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Canada Home Theater Gallery:289 4K collection:1484 Blu-ray collection:5225 Blu-ray reviews:1	(Vous trouverez la version française de ce courriel au bas de la page.) Hello from Amazon.ca. We now have delivery date(s) for the order you placed on May 30, 2019 (Order# 701-8699057-5279449). We've listed the item(s) listed below with the expected delivery date(s): "Batman Forever (UHD/ BD) [Blu-ray]" Estimated arrival date: July 04, 2019 - July 31, 2019 "Batman & Robin (UHD/ BD) [Blu-ray]" Estimated arrival date: July 04, 2019 - July 31, 2019 "Batman Returns (UHD/ BD) [Blu-ray]" Estimated arrival date: July 04, 2019 - July 31, 2019 "Batman (UHD/ BD) [Blu-ray]" Estimated arrival date: July 04, 2019 - July 31, 2019 Thank you for shopping with Amazon.ca. Please note: This e-mail was sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this message.

06-05-2019, 09:02 PM	#1296
xfileed916 Active Member Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Athens, Georgia Trading Score:1	For me personally, I loved the 4K presentation - both the visuals and the sound. It always bugged me how some of those sound fx sounded originally. Made it seem cheap. To my ears, they tastefully changed out those sound fx to newer ones. It didn't sound out of place like the sound mix for Terminator did (ooof!). Just my thoughts. For the purists, it is a shame they didn't include the original mix. But for me, this is a home run 4K blu!

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