Unpopular Movie Opinions: Part III

[snipemonkey]

Hulk is a better movie than any of the Marvel Studio movies

This. This. This.

Last (only?) Marvel movie that had an engaged director with a quirky, personal POV, real visual imagination, and tried to do something other than sell more bland, generic corporate "product." I plays like an actual movie and not simply a commercial for kid's toys like pretty much every other MCU movie since.

Also: The Black Panther is boring, overrated crap.

Miami Vice is A masterpiece

Pretty sure this is an established, objective fact.

[Arawn]

It's just Black Panther, no The.

[UltraMario9]

I don't think James Vanderbilt actually wrote Zodiac. I think he bought it off a better screenwriter and put his name on it.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by snipemonkey

Last (only?) Marvel movie that had an engaged director with a quirky, personal POV, real visual imagination, and tried to do something other than sell more bland, generic corporate "product." I plays like an actual movie and not simply a commercial for kid's toys like pretty much every other MCU movie since.

You're forgetting Spider-Man 2!

I do like Hulk a lot, though. It seems to get a bad rap simply for prioritising dialogue and character development over Hulk smashing shit.

[Ramcruz]

Originally Posted by TajSamKojiJesam

Fight Club kinda sucks though, it's an annoying movie full of calculated edginess and overall just feels tryhard.

Nope, it's well shot, competently acted and one of those few movies which actually addresses the issue of feminization of masculinity. While addressing it, it also argue that corporates are one of the biggest contributors to the issue as well as the the everyday ratrace.

It's the second best movie from Fincher after The Social Network.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Proving once again MCU cares little for actual stakes being represented in their movies.

Yeah, right. Tell that to the characters who died in Endgame, or the ones who died in IW and stayed dead in Endgame.

[Ramcruz]

Originally Posted by UltraMario9

I don't think James Vanderbilt actually wrote Zodiac. I think he bought it off a better screenwriter and put his name on it.

I share the same sentiments about Zodiac as well as Fight Club. FIght club writer Jim Uhls, i guess his other screenplays never got produced.

I heard that Fincher gets heavily involved with the writers, he and james researched for 18 months i guess, before james started writing it. Same with Uhls. Fincher was also involved with Zailian on Dragon Tattoo's screenplay.

[snipemonkey]

It's just Black Panther, no The.

So, there's even less to it than I suspected!

Seriously, though, I probably shouldn't single out Black Panther for dismissal -- I find all of the superhero movies tedious these days. I've officially gotten old. Guys in spandex beating the ever-lovin' sh*t out of one another for 2 1/2 hours is my idea of torture now. Engame should have been called Endless. The only one I've even kind of liked recently was Doctor Strange and even that was more of a "well, that wasn't abjectly painful" than an "I actually liked it" situation.

I appreciate Hulk because it's actually a Frankenstein-ian monster movie rather than a superhero action-fest. Much more interesting. The Incredible Hulk (and everything they've done with the character since) is bullsh*t, though.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

[Show spoiler]You're forgetting Spider-Man 2!

I do like Hulk a lot, though. It seems to get a bad rap simply for prioritising dialogue and character development over Hulk smashing shit.

I think the deal here was Ang Lee was trying to fit an entire Peter David Hulk run into a 2.5 hour movie and it just didn’t play out to the general audience. So it gets more heat than it general should.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by oilers73

Hellraiser is pretty nasty, too. Congratulations on not actually barfing!

That razorblade scene in Hellraiser 2 (unrated cut) is pretty brutal. Definitely something that stays with you.

[hockeyshark91]

Kong: Skull Island is an underrated popcorn movie. I think it will become a minor cult classic. Almost as enjoyable as '76 King Kong.

[LegacyCosts]

can a movie that made half a billion dollars ever be considered a cult film

[hockeyshark91]

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

can a movie that made half a billion dollars ever be considered a cult film

I'm going with yes.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by hockeyshark91

I'm going with yes.

Then people have redefined what "cult film" means, in its entirety.

[UltraMario9]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Then people have redefined what "cult film" means, in its entirety.

I think stuff like Cloud Atlas and Speed Racer would fit more into that category.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by UltraMario9

I think stuff like Cloud Atlas and Speed Racer would fit more into that category.

While I agree that they would fit more into that caractegory, I don't even think I would agree on those, to be honest. Unless I'm recalling incorrectly (quite possible, ), frankly, both were fairly big budget films with wide if not very wide releases. For me, a cult film is pretty low-end budget film with almost no big names attached, and has pretty limited release.

Granted, neither film did well at the box office, but I think that had more to do with quality of the picture than anything else.

[hockeyshark91]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

While I agree that they would fit more into that caractegory, I don't even think I would agree on those, to be honest. Unless I'm recalling incorrectly (quite possible, ), frankly, both were fairly big budget films with wide if not very wide releases. For me, a cult film is pretty low-end budget film with almost no big names attached, and has pretty limited release.

Granted, neither film did well at the box office, but I think that had more to do with quality of the picture than anything else.

You're right. I'll start over and simply say that it will be more appreciated for what it is, just a fun popcorn movie. Even I was pretty down on it when I first watched it. Have watched twice since then, and I like it more with each viewing.

[LegacyCosts]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

While I agree that they would fit more into that caractegory, I don't even think I would agree on those, to be honest. Unless I'm recalling incorrectly (quite possible, ), frankly, both were fairly big budget films with wide if not very wide releases. For me, a cult film is pretty low-end budget film with almost no big names attached, and has pretty limited release.

Granted, neither film did well at the box office, but I think that had more to do with quality of the picture than anything else.

Speed Racer is an amazing film so no I wouldn't blame the tepid box office response on the quality of the wachowskis style but no I wouldn't consider any of these large budget cgi fests like kong island to ever be a cult film. A Modern Cult film would be something like Spring Breakers or Zombie's Lords. Smaller idiosyncratic films with devoted fans.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by hockeyshark91

You're right. I'll start over and simply say that it will be more appreciated for what it is, just a fun popcorn movie. Even I was pretty down on it when I first watched it. Have watched twice since then, and I like it more with each viewing.

Against ALL rational thinking on my part, I really enjoyed the first time. I only caught it, I *think* on HBO on night, looking for something to watch. I thought, well, I really like Brie Larson, like the rest of the cast, maybe this will a decent way to spend a couple of hours. It ended and I was like, "WOW! That was SO much better than I thought it be!."

I honestly never expected to like it that much.

Originally Posted by LegacyCosts

Speed Racer is an amazing film so no I wouldn't blame the tepid box office response on the quality of the wachowskis style but no I wouldn't consider any of these large budget cgi fests like kong island to ever be a cult film. A Modern Cult film would be something like Spring Breakers or Zombie's Lords. Smaller idiosyncratic films with devoted fans.

I couldn't make it through Speed Racer, but I'm not the target audience either.

I totally agree on a film like Spring Breakers, though. Cast-wise, it's maybe tough to categorize as cult. But as to the sort of film it is, and the content, yeah, I think it's a perfect choice.

[oilers73]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

While I agree that they would fit more into that caractegory, I don't even think I would agree on those, to be honest. Unless I'm recalling incorrectly (quite possible, ), frankly, both were fairly big budget films with wide if not very wide releases. For me, a cult film is pretty low-end budget film with almost no big names attached, and has pretty limited release.

Granted, neither film did well at the box office, but I think that had more to do with quality of the picture than anything else.

Today is the 30th Anniversary of the "Weird Al" Yankovic film UHF. It cost about $5 million and was given a wide release, but the critics hated it and it tanked at the box office. The film is more respected by critics now, and the rabid Yankovic fanbase own it and love it. When Al shows clips of it during his concerts, the applause and cheers are deafening.

This, to me, is the perfect example of a "cult film". Bomb upon release; loved and respected years later. I don't really think the budget matters much.