ABC's "Lost" Discussion (2004-2010)

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

For me it is like asking if someone is a truly happy man. It can't truly be answered until his death. The guy might be all smiles now and might have been all his life until this point, but what if some tragedy befalls him and he is sad depressed and lonely for the rest of his life. The same here as the plot develops I am sure some questions might increase in importance while others decrease so any list will be misleading. Earlier in the show I thought the numbers would be extremely important and I would want a good answer to them. They where all over the place and affected everything. Now I don’t think I care. With time travel, at least for me, they are unimportant I will not feel cheated with no deep explanation for them.

I couldn't agree more with your analysis. As of now I could care less if there was no explanation for the numbers other than pure coincidence.

I mean, what explanation would people really be satisfied with regarding the numbers? What would they have to hear to be like 'Oh okay, now that makes sense!" compared to "Well now that was just stupid."?

I think that the biggest and most important question lies in what will the survivors end up doing for the rest of their lives? Whats their purpose? Is the island a living entity with some grand scheme?

Why couldn't Michael shoot himself when he left the island? They haven't been able to explain that other than the island wouldn't let him. How could an island possibly not let him?

[GoYanks]

There are strict rules to time travel for them. Carlton and Damon make sure of this. As well as the "book keeper." He's the guy with the entire timeline for all the characters. He's the guy they go to when they ask, Can we do this?

And he goes. do doop deep do doop dee do deep do do. Boom. Yes or no.

[zicmubleu]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

For me it is like asking if someone is a truly happy man. It can't truly be answered until his death.

Sounds a bit like the time travel theory: what will happen, will hapen. Que sera, sera.

[WyldeMan45]

Originally Posted by zicmubleu

If we assume they cannot address every issue about the island in Season 6 what are the most critical things you want answered to make you feel the show finished in great fashion?

For me, mostly in order:

1) What is the origin of the island, I think this will answer what it is too
2) Who built the statue and why
3) Who tore down the statue and why
4) Who created the Wheel of Time and what's on the other side of the rock wall
5) Who or what is RA
6) Who or what is Jacob - thanks to GoYanks reminder
Of lesser concern to me are:
1) Is there any real significance to the numbers
2) What happened between CW and Ben
3) What happened to Penny
4) Who are the Hostiles/Others, their origin

And of course, how do I talk Hurley into giving me some of the money he doesn't want!

Don't forget what is the significance of Christian Shepard!?!? I mean he has been appearing at the most important moments of the show for many reasons, and it appears that just like Locke he arrived on the Island dead and than was alive once he got there. Locke and Christian seem to be way more connected than we originally thought.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by WyldeMan45

Don't forget what is the significance of Christian Shepard!?!? I mean he has been appearing at the most important moments of the show for many reasons, and it appears that just like Locke he arrived on the Island dead and than was alive once he got there. Locke and Christian seem to be way more connected than we originally thought.

But is Christian really alive in the same way Locke is? Christian seems more like a ghost of some sort to me. He appears to people to deliver messages and then disappears again. He doesn't seem mortal in the same way Locke appears to be.

[Anthony P]

Sounds a bit like the time travel theory: what will happen, will hapen. Que sera, sera.

that is not what I meant
There have been a few theories in this thread, but I will mention two and add one more for fun

1) it is Atlantis. the temple/statue could just be an old remnant from before the destruction and then "Who tore down the statue and why" becomes much less important

2) By luck a great evil was caught there and imprisoned. It was identified with gods and myth at the time so the prison kind of looked like a temple and the statue was there as the "guardian" (and maybe part of the lock), a small human police force was left there for extra protection in case it escaped. That original population through intermixing with others that fell on the island over the centuries and millennia.
so now the others are much more important, the statue is important but the origins of the island is useless, it is just an island.

3) There was an episode of TZ or outer limit or something like that, the show started with these people that where in a mansion, the whole world outside was a frozen wasteland when this guy reaches the door and they let him in. Each day people would be different characters, one day a lady would be the guys wife, the next day his mistress and the only one that would see it/ be off was the new guy, eventually we found out that all of them where in a cryogenic chamber and somehow the life support linked their subconscious and only one of them knew where he was and had taken control of the place and he was playing the game and created the frozen world to keep control. What if the show is similar? All of them are in some sort of group dream for some reason , then the island, statue…. where all added by different random thoughts and none of them are important, but the others could be more important because they where in that world first and created a lot of what is there.
….

I am not saying they should be left off the hook if they don’t answer the important questions, that just without knowing what the show is about, can we truly know what is important.

[WyldeMan45]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

But is Christian really alive in the same way Locke is? Christian seems more like a ghost of some sort to me. He appears to people to deliver messages and then disappears again. He doesn't seem mortal in the same way Locke appears to be.

I don't know for sure, but I don't think he's just a ghost, he definitely seems real to me. Only time will tell though

[zicmubleu]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

that is not what I meant
There have been a few theories in this thread, but I will mention two and add one more for fun

1) it is Atlantis. the temple/statue could just be an old remnant from before the destruction and then "Who tore down the statue and why" becomes much less important

2) By luck a great evil was caught there and imprisoned. It was identified with gods and myth at the time so the prison kind of looked like a temple and the statue was there as the "guardian" (and maybe part of the lock), a small human police force was left there for extra protection in case it escaped. That original population through intermixing with others that fell on the island over the centuries and millennia.
so now the others are much more important, the statue is important but the origins of the island is useless, it is just an island.

3) There was an episode of TZ or outer limit or something like that, the show started with these people that where in a mansion, the whole world outside was a frozen wasteland when this guy reaches the door and they let him in. Each day people would be different characters, one day a lady would be the guys wife, the next day his mistress and the only one that would see it/ be off was the new guy, eventually we found out that all of them where in a cryogenic chamber and somehow the life support linked their subconscious and only one of them knew where he was and had taken control of the place and he was playing the game and created the frozen world to keep control. What if the show is similar? All of them are in some sort of group dream for some reason , then the island, statue…. where all added by different random thoughts and none of them are important, but the others could be more important because they where in that world first and created a lot of what is there.
….

I am not saying they should be left off the hook if they don’t answer the important questions, that just without knowing what the show is about, can we truly know what is important.

I don't think I have seen theory #2 before on this thread, but I may have missed it. Your theory three is similar to my own theory of a group of physicists playing a game over the internet and has the same pitfall: ouch! I wasted six years for that! Your theory would make a great single episode story, but don't pull another Dallas and JR on us (actually I didn't watch Dallas but it is the only thing I ever heard about it).

As you say, how the show ends will determine the significance or insignificance of various aspects, but like most of us, I want it to be something that gives me some closure, the feeling like 'I should have figured that out.'

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

But is Christian really alive in the same way Locke is? Christian seems more like a ghost of some sort to me. He appears to people to deliver messages and then disappears again. He doesn't seem mortal in the same way Locke appears to be.

It seems to me like Christian is now 'apart of the island' and is controller by it, but still his own person. However I'm still not too sure how Claire plays a role in all of this as we saw her with Christian after running away in the middle of the night.

Now Walt.

WTFBBQ?! What role does he have to play with the island? Does he have something in common with the orignal decendants of those that first inhabited the island? We know that he has a connection with animals as we saw in Season 1 with calling that bird from the hotel room from reading it in a book.

Also the Others were very interested in him. Why? Also, how would the Others know that he is special? They let him go with Michael too instead of keeping him on the island. Sure it was apart of the agreement, but if they really wanted they could of just said no. So did they finish their work with what they had to do with Walt?

Was it The Others that was interested in Walt or was it the island?

[TooBlu]

Remember in S2 when Hugo found the Food in the Swan... How many people think he put all the food in there?

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by TooBlu

Remember in S2 when Hugo found the Food in the Swan... How many people think he put all the food in there?

....you have lost me.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by TooBlu

Remember in S2 when Hugo found the Food in the Swan... How many people think he put all the food in there?

Yeah, the food in the hatch's storage closet. They ended up dividing it up among the camp IIRC. But as far as Hurley being the one to stock it, who knows? Remember that they're currently in 1977. The Swan hasn't even been built yet. Desmond and a few others were there all the way up to 2004. And we know there were random Dharma supply drops still happening well after the purge. So...

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

Yeah, the food in the hatch's storage closet. They ended up dividing it up among the camp IIRC. But as far as Hurley being the one to stock it, who knows? Remember that they're currently in 1977. The Swan hasn't even been built yet. Desmond and a few others were there all the way up to 2004. And we know there were random Dharma supply drops still happening well after the purge. So...

Also remember that after Hurley distributed it, he actually kept his own supply in the forest. However I'm failing to see the relevance of this regarding Season 5...

[itsBlu2U]

my theory about Walter (children importance) is

1. someone (Ben prob) has been to the future and knows Walts connection with the island some how, so he is just trying to keep him out of the picture totally

2. because there is something wierd about children on that island and my theory is either A) children are off limits and/or very special on the island, very important things revovle around children

Walt = appears to people, has prophet type dreams, obviously special etc.
claire's baby = almost the first whole season deals with it as a subplot between ethan, the birth, and caring for it
Alex (ben/danielle daughter) = contributed to danielle going crazy indirectly, big reason why Ben is now taking revenge on CW

B) I believe chilhood innocent or innocent of the soul has a big affect on the insland and how the Island see through people and there actions, and children innocents might be powerful on the Island therefore children got to go

(also a side note I always get a very wierd PETER PAN vibe from Richard Alpert, like he just deals with kids i.e. young Ben and young Locke)

[RSuarez]

Originally Posted by GoYanks

Actually, when my friend and I spoke with Carlton, he said there will be a third part to that RA Locke thing. So look forward to what that might be.

I thought so... we have yet to see with RA was so upset about young Locke's picks... I also found the items particularly interesting... the cover of the comic book was something that drew my attention after a second watch of the episode... I do not think the other items he put on the table were "random' items... we'll see...

I did not know there was a third part to that piece of story... thanks!

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by itsBlu2U

my theory about Walter (children importance) is

1. someone (Ben prob) has been to the future and knows Walts connection with the island some how, so he is just trying to keep him out of the picture totally

2. because there is something wierd about children on that island and my theory is either A) children are off limits and/or very special on the island, very important things revovle around children

Walt = appears to people, has prophet type dreams, obviously special etc.
claire's baby = almost the first whole season deals with it as a subplot between ethan, the birth, and caring for it
Alex (ben/danielle daughter) = contributed to danielle going crazy indirectly, big reason why Ben is now taking revenge on CW

B) I believe chilhood innocent or innocent of the soul has a big affect on the insland and how the Island see through people and there actions, and children innocents might be powerful on the Island therefore children got to go

(also a side note I always get a very wierd PETER PAN vibe from Richard Alpert, like he just deals with kids i.e. young Ben and young Locke)

Those are some really good theories you have.

However I think that one of the reason why they 'steal' children is due to them not being able to have children of their own. Though if you remember correctly when Shannon and Sayid were in the jungle before she got shot, they BOTH saw Walt in the jungle.

So I think its more that Walt has special abilities than children in general. Also remember when Michael was communicating with whom we think was Walt in the Darma station? Perhaps it really was Walt doing that. Maybe Walt is suppose to replace Richard Alpert or something weird, but thats just a pure guess as he could be the next reincarnation of the island or whatever.

[zicmubleu]

Originally Posted by itsBlu2U

my theory about Walter (children importance) is

1. someone (Ben prob) has been to the future and knows Walts connection with the island some how, so he is just trying to keep him out of the picture totally

2. because there is something wierd about children on that island and my theory is either A) children are off limits and/or very special on the island, very important things revovle around children

Walt = appears to people, has prophet type dreams, obviously special etc.
claire's baby = almost the first whole season deals with it as a subplot between ethan, the birth, and caring for it
Alex (ben/danielle daughter) = contributed to danielle going crazy indirectly, big reason why Ben is now taking revenge on CW

B) I believe chilhood innocent or innocent of the soul has a big affect on the insland and how the Island see through people and there actions, and children innocents might be powerful on the Island therefore children got to go

(also a side note I always get a very wierd PETER PAN vibe from Richard Alpert, like he just deals with kids i.e. young Ben and young Locke)

I thought it's simply because the Others can't have babies, the mothers always die in the last trimester. They 'adopt' any child that has the misfortune to be in their midst.

[itsBlu2U]

are we to assume that, the current DI don't know about the non pregnancy inducing environment (the island lol)?, because no one was really surprised about the birth of ethan, other than the (time travelers) so maybe reproducing is still capable in 1977


I get the wanting to adopt motive that makes sense, the part I don't get is why does everyone else care and help out, to do some pretty bad things for what....to be a parent? that I don't get, to me it seems like they are more interested in possessing or controlling the child then to raising a child and having a family, I mean there already in paradise how much more can you want...

-thanks mike

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by itsBlu2U

are we to assume that, the current DI don't know about the non pregnancy inducing environment (the island lol)?, because no one was really surprised about the birth of ethan, other than the (time travelers) so maybe reproducing is still capable in 1977


I get the wanting to adopt motive that makes sense, the part I don't get is why does everyone else care and help out, to do some pretty bad things for what....to be a parent? that I don't get, to me it seems like they are more interested in possessing or controlling the child then to raising a child and having a family, I mean there already in paradise how much more can you want...

I think its a general consensus that something happens on the island that causes women to miscarriage as well as lose their life. Either an evil is released (potentially related to the black smoke/temple).

I think that they just want children to live on the legacy of The Others. Sort of how they 'recruit' people to be Others. I think that with John, he was just a special case as he was the leader.

[zicmubleu]

Originally Posted by itsBlu2U

are we to assume that, the current DI don't know about the non pregnancy inducing environment (the island lol)?, because no one was really surprised about the birth of ethan, other than the (time travelers) so maybe reproducing is still capable in 1977


I get the wanting to adopt motive that makes sense, the part I don't get is why does everyone else care and help out, to do some pretty bad things for what....to be a parent? that I don't get, to me it seems like they are more interested in possessing or controlling the child then to raising a child and having a family, I mean there already in paradise how much more can you want...

I just realized I didn't pick up on your reference to Walt in the first post. He was a special case it seems, so the childbirth failure would not really be the prime issue.

Now that you and Marinemike have brought up some things, when Locke visited Walt on the mainland, did Walt have any idea he had guided him or Shannon/Sayid back on the island? I don't remember the dialogue very well but maybe there was something there. Walt's appearance to them was some sort of extension of himself IMO, so whether his physical self is aware of it or not is questionable.