Heat 4K UHD (1995)

[GAmbrose]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Given that Disney now controls Fox, I doubt we will see much in the way of catalog releases on disc going forward.



I could be wrong, but Disney has an abominable track record. And if you'll notice, after the buyout the 4k catalog titles have pretty much dried up from Fox.

Fox? Heat was Warner Brothers.

[Jay H.]

Originally Posted by GAmbrose

Fox? Heat was Warner Brothers.

Heat was financed by Regency and released by Warner Brothers. WB no longer has the distribution rights to it. The most recent Blu-ray was released by Fox.

[SexySamSosa67]

This should've been out already along with Casino.

[Shawn Elestren]

Originally Posted by Jay H.

Heat was financed by Regency and released by Warner Brothers. WB no longer has the distribution rights to it. The most recent Blu-ray was released by Fox.

Would the same apply to Under Siege, Under Siege 2, Free Willy 1-3, and On Deadly Ground?

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Originally Posted by Shawn Elestren

Would the same apply to Under Siege, Under Siege 2, Free Willy 1-3, and In Deadly Ground?

Possibly, but it seems they ether renewed those titles prior to the Fox takeover of Regency or they were co-productions that Warner put most of their finances down on. Streaming versions of the above still list Warner as the provider and the Warner BDs are still in print.

[KubrickKurasawa]

This movie is one of the most PRIME candidates for a 4K remaster. I've been watching the Warner Bros. older 2009 release, then I followed that up with the 20th Century Fox 2017 release. Just between those AC vs. MPEG-4 you see how this film has Shadowy scenes followed by other night scenes and bright lights, followed by a well lit diner scene, followed by another nighttime scene, a daylight scene for the crimes etc etc. etc. The DTS tracks are better as well over the Warner Bros Dolby Digital.

If remastered with care this thing would drop your jaw in 4K. Tack on the absolute stunning cast, it's up there with Deer Hunter for EPIC film. I'd call it a modern day Deer Hunter in terms of length and epic-ness with a huge cast or characters and side characters. HDR and WCG would bring so much to this title it would get a new generation into experience this crime/action/thriller/drama/romance etc. Gotta hand it to Michael Man he had a lot of detail for a film and came through somehow with a more modern classic.

I'm waiting....

[markerb]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

This movie is one of the most PRIME candidates for a 4K remaster.

Since it was already remastered at 4K by Mann himself in 2017, this seems unlikely. Maybe a regrade would help, or perhaps some of the problems would be solved by giving it some proper bandwidth on physical media.

[markerb]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

There's a 30 GB stream over the web, and it looks much better than Blu-ray re-release back 2017. I really want this title on 4K Blu-ray.

Goodness, where did you see this 30GB stream? I think the terrible iTunes 4K I watched was half that size. I'm excited that you saw something you actually liked!

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by markerb

Since it was already remastered at 4K by Mann himself in 2017, this seems unlikely. Maybe a regrade would help, or perhaps some of the problems would be solved by giving it some proper bandwidth on physical media.

Oh my bad. No remaster needed then just a better copy on 100 GB.

The 2007 or 9 version is hot garbage the 2017 Fox I can handle but WOW this would smoke in 4K on 100GB. I want the shadows and lighting to be more realistic is all. There is shadows and lights left and right in this, non-stop 170 minutes of it.

[markerb]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Oh my bad. No remaster needed then just a better copy on 100 GB.

The 2007 or 9 version is hot garbage the 2017 Fox I can handle but WOW this would smoke in 4K on 100GB. I want the shadows and lighting to be more realistic is all. There is shadows and lights left and right in this, non-stop 170 minutes of it.

Hmm... In theory you should be right. However, look back at my original post and ensuing discussion about this issue. I'm getting doubtful that the problem isn't the transfer itself. I'm not sure too much HEVC compression is the problem here, as the UHD stream of "The Wrath of Khan" has about the same bitrate, but the grading looks excellent.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by markerb

Hmm... In theory you should be right. However, look back at my original post and ensuing discussion about this issue. I'm getting doubtful that the problem isn't the transfer itself. I'm not sure too much HEVC compression is the problem here, as the UHD stream of "The Wrath of Khan" has about the same bitrate, but the grading looks excellent.

Streaming 4K @ 15MBPS is not my cup of tea bro.

[markerb]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Streaming 4K @ 15MBPS is not my cup of tea bro.

I'm with you, but that's all we're going to get for many films. I curse the majority who are happy with streaming.

Anyway, that wasn't really what we were talking about. A low bit rate can't ruin a good grading job, so we'll have to place the blame elsewhere. Physical media is not inherently going to fix the problems with the "Heat" 4K transfer.

I recall Mann being very proud of the 4K transfer that was made for the 2K Blu-ray re-release. Maybe he wasn't involved in the UHD grading of the streamed version, and there's still hope for great physical release that won't cost Warner too much.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by markerb

Goodness, where did you see this 30GB stream? I think the terrible iTunes 4K I watched was half that size. I'm excited that you saw something you actually liked!

[Show spoiler]https://hdencode.com/heat-1995-repack-2160p-web-dl-dts-hd-ma-5-1-hdr-hevc-blutonium-34-7-gb/

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

[Show spoiler]https://hdencode.com/heat-1995-repack-2160p-web-dl-dts-hd-ma-5-1-hdr-hevc-blutonium-34-7-gb/

Not sure if that's the same I have seen.

But I was everything but impressed by that one. Looked like SDR in an HDR container to me.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Not sure if that's the same I have seen.

But I was everything but impressed by that one. Looked like SDR in an HDR container to me.

It looks awful. But the resolution is there. Also keep in mind that website makes horrible compressed screenshots, even though the size is 23mb+.

[markerb]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

(link removed)

Oh my. That's not really allowed here.

In any case, I believe that video is sourced from the Apple Store release, the one with the grading that disappointed me. I guess it just demonstrates that a decent bit rate (24.9 Mb/s) can not help poor grading.

I found the black levels terrible, particularly for a film with so many night shots. On the other end of the gamut, the LA street shootout scene didn't really jump like I would expect it to, nor was there much contrast pop in the dark-to-light tunnel and airport tarmac scenes. Maybe I've just become spoiled by all the other great HDR releases out there.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by markerb

I think the terrible iTunes 4K I watched was half that size.

The 4K encode on iTunes is solid -- and I for one would welcome it onto a UHD disc.

Yeah, the HDR is practically non-existent; But grain is still there. There's no signs of any sort of visual management to the PQ itself.

And it's not like the film has overly blown out highlights to begin with, so it didn't really require a substantial HDR grade.

But that notwithstanding, the quality of the 4K transfer itself looks good.

[markerb]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

The 4K encode on iTunes is solid -- and I for one would welcome it onto a UHD disc.

Yeah, the HDR is practically non-existent; But grain is still there. There's no signs of any sort of visual management to the PQ itself.

And it's not like the film has overly blown out highlights to begin with, so it didn't really require a substantial HDR grade.

But that notwithstanding, the quality of the 4K transfer itself looks good.

I'm definitely not talking about bitrate here, or DNR or edge enhancement. I'm all about the grading right now.

I'm not sure what you mean by "blown out highlights". It's an often bright film by design (the shootout is the obvious standout), so why does it look so washed out to me? This thing was shot on film, but it doesn't show. I'd even venture to say they didn't even used the whole of BT.709's paltry color gamut. It's ironic, because I find the Blu-ray that was released based on the same 4K restoration is actually far better graded than this UHD stream.

Take a look at "The Wrath of Khan" UHD streaming if you want to see a really well-graded film. While the bitrate is low and grain messed-up, it's certainly deep and draws me in.

I should probably mention that I'm running on OLED display. If you've got almost any other technology, you might be seeing gray instead of black all the time. I didn't know what I was missing until I got my first plasma in 2010.

I'm getting more and more convinced that this was merely a rush job from Warner, just to get it up as an exclusive at the Apple Store. I have faith that the UHD Blu-ray, if it ever materializes, will be better. Faith, I tell ya'.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Sounds like a bullcrap upscale then to me.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by markerb

I'm with you, but that's all we're going to get for many films. I curse the majority who are happy with streaming.

Anyway, that wasn't really what we were talking about. A low bit rate can't ruin a good grading job, so we'll have to place the blame elsewhere. Physical media is not inherently going to fix the problems with the "Heat" 4K transfer.

I recall Mann being very proud of the 4K transfer that was made for the 2K Blu-ray re-release. Maybe he wasn't involved in the UHD grading of the streamed version, and there's still hope for great physical release that won't cost Warner too much.

Originally Posted by markerb

I'm definitely not talking about bitrate here, or DNR or edge enhancement. I'm all about the grading right now.

I'm not sure what you mean by "blown out highlights". It's an often bright film by design (the shootout is the obvious standout), so why does it look so washed out to me? This thing was shot on film, but it doesn't show. I'd even venture to say they didn't even used the whole of BT.709's paltry color gamut. It's ironic, because I find the Blu-ray that was released based on the same 4K restoration is actually far better graded than this UHD stream.

Take a look at "The Wrath of Khan" UHD streaming if you want to see a really well-graded film. While the bitrate is low and grain messed-up, it's certainly deep and draws me in.

I should probably mention that I'm running on OLED display. If you've got almost any other technology, you might be seeing gray instead of black all the time. I didn't know what I was missing until I got my first plasma in 2010.

I'm getting more and more convinced that this was merely a rush job from Warner, just to get it up as an exclusive at the Apple Store. I have faith that the UHD Blu-ray, if it ever materializes, will be better. Faith, I tell ya'.

Yeah, looks to me like they put in minimum effort, if any at all, for Heat on iTunes.

Wrath Of Khan on the other hand looks great, or at least, the 4K remastering job does. Underneath the compression and funky grain you can easily make out it is based on a very fine looking source. Not a huge fan of the movie itself, but I would buy it on UHD the minute it comes out.