8K discussion thread

[Robert Zohn]

We see 2020 8K TVs sales going to a/v enthusiasts and to those who can easily afford them and typically like to buy the best in everything they purchase.

[HenriDeadMort]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

8k discs

will probably never happen
for 3 reasons:
1- Even with hobbyists, more and more people will go to digital
2- I don't think we will have a (at least not cheap) way to put enough information on the disc, AKA maximum data+ bitrate
3- The Price they are gonna sell

[Roy_Batty]

Originally Posted by HenriDeadMort

will probably never happen
for 3 reasons:
1- Even with hobbyists, more and more people will go to digital
2- I don't think we will have a (at least not cheap) way to put enough information on the disc, AKA maximum data+ bitrate
3- The Price they are gonna sell

I'm on the fence with this theory. I firmly believed that Hollywood would never
embrace a 4k Blu-ray format, and yet here we are. I do not have a huge 4k movie collection compared to others, I'm very selective about the titles I buy.
Anyway back to the topic, while digital has indeed become very popular, collectors still want physical media. Also their already working on a successor to HEVC, so you will probably be able to fit an 8k title on to current bank media. As with 4k right now, price varies, so will 8k, just look at the fact Sony has retailed the Columbia Collection Vol 1 at about $100 dollars. Which is a steal for those movies. Since this is purely speculation, time will tell.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

@Lee A Stewart, I honestly don't know, but I am sure you are correct that the lion's share of 2020 TVs will not have ATSC 3.0 tuners built-in. But a very good number in the millions will have ATSC tuners built-in.

We'll also see several ATSC 3.0 set-top-boxes and USB dongles by Q4, 2020 and I expect tens of thousands to be sold before year end.

@PaulGo, I read CNET's article you posted and I must say I was disappointed and disagree with everything they said. My opinions are not motivated by business, but my knowledge of the advantages that are designed and built-into all of the 2020 8K TVs.

The 8K association of companies should mandate ATSC 3.0 tuners being built into 8K TV’s (monitors of course would be except). Companies making 4K Smart TV’s might include ATSC 3.0 tuners on their higher-end models but their entry level models to save on manufacturing costs would most likely not have a ATSC 3.0 tuner.

For the several millions of existing 4K TV’s, 1080P TV’s, 1080i TV’s, and 720P TV’s with a HDMI input. Many consumers will be happy with the external ATSC 3.0 tuners that will be offered for sell at retail stores. When it comes time to purchase a new TV that is when educated consumers will want the ATSC 3.0 tuner to be built in.

[X-rayvision]

Dude the cable companies are so cheap in the states they wont even upgrade to fiber optics and they've had years to do that. One reason is that there will be massive interruptions in service while they upgrade the lines which will piss off a lot of their American customer base who do not like their government imposing standards or rules on them that result in some sort of hardship to them (in this case no tv or internet - also see reactions to covid lockdowns). In japan they are more receptive to government intervention and authority, therefore they did not riot when they lost their internet for a duration of time. The usa will never force an upgrade that cause independent business financial hardships (all business need internet just being down a day could cost 100's of thousands of dollars, and that will result in a consumer uproar. If they havent upgraded the line by now with Fiber what makes people think they will ever upgrade cable lines in the future. Its mostly all 720p (comcast) shit and has been like that for decades now. No upgrades for years

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by HenriDeadMort

will probably never happen
for 3 reasons:
1- Even with hobbyists, more and more people will go to digital
2- I don't think we will have a (at least not cheap) way to put enough information on the disc, AKA maximum data+ bitrate
3- The Price they are gonna sell

Digital streaming is not without its own issues. Computers in general lack hardware decoding of video codecs, you can have that multi-core CPU with less then smooth playback at 4K at higher FPS and higher resolutions. The transport of larger transcoded files still has ISPs saying no way with data caps. We never expected 4K to totally take over the marketplace, but it has. Just watching the last 15 years of Cameras, TV, physical media, streaming, has made me come to the conclusion, don't rule anything out.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by X-rayvision

In japan they are more receptive to government intervention and authority, therefore they did not riot when they lost their internet for a duration of time.

Interestedly enough Japan is actually a poor example of HD to 4K migration by their consumers, yet this is the same country that choose to reclaim technology leadership with 8K via NHK.

But please feel free to beat up those awful cable companies here in the states all you like!

[X-rayvision]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Digital streaming is not without its own issues. Computers in general lack hardware decoding of video codecs, you can have that multi-core CPU with less then smooth playback at 4K at higher FPS and higher resolutions. The transport of larger transcoded files still has ISPs saying no way with data caps. We never expected 4K to totally take over the marketplace, but it has. Just watching the last 15 years of Cameras, TV, physical media, streaming, has made me come to the conclusion, don't rule anything out.

Nobody is saying 8k cant eventually work if it receieved the proper support. The problem people have with 8k are two fold 1) its debatable that the extra pixels add anything more to your experience. If you recall the first 4k tvs (without HDR &DV) barely looked better then there 1080p counterparts. However all 4k tvs have HDR so the jump to 8k will be negligible. Its HDR that sets 4k apart from 1080p not the extra pixels. Moreover, since all 4k tvs have HDR the jump for 8k is going to be negligible, will it be better yes but will that be measurable with the human eye-debatable unless you are buying an 88 inch screen or larger. 2) there is no 8k content, and since they all push streaming (movie studios) i dont see any 8k player ever being available on the market. We are still missing a shit ton of movies on 4k blu ray disk. If they pulled out this early for 4k you will not get a disk format for 8k its just not going to happen. Also, the majority of consumers dont even buy 65inch TVs so these people wont ever see a difference between 4k and 8k no matter how hard they look. Going from 1080p to HDR 4k any layperson with eyes that still work could see the increase in quality. 4kHDR to 8kHDR playing 4k content will be no difference, in fact the 4k will look better since its the native resolution of the set, the set will not add any unwanted processing to the image like 8k will do with the same image.

[HenriDeadMort]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Digital streaming is not without its own issues. Computers in general lack hardware decoding of video codecs, you can have that multi-core CPU with less then smooth playback at 4K at higher FPS and higher resolutions. The transport of larger transcoded files still has ISPs saying no way with data caps. We never expected 4K to totally take over the marketplace, but it has. Just watching the last 15 years of Cameras, TV, physical media, streaming, has made me come to the conclusion, don't rule anything out.

that why i said PROBABLY
as it can still happen.
any for video processing i mean computers are always getting better so in like 5 to 10 years i say it won't be a problem for any pc

[HenriDeadMort]

Originally Posted by X-rayvision

Nobody is saying 8k cant eventually work if it receieved the proper support. The problem people have with 8k are two fold 1) its debatable that the extra pixels add anything more to your experience. If you recall the first 4k tvs (without HDR &DV) barely looked better then there 1080p counterparts. However all 4k tvs have HDR so the jump to 8k will be negligible. Its HDR that sets 4k apart from 1080p not the extra pixels. Moreover, since all 4k tvs have HDR the jump for 8k is going to be negligible, will it be better yes but will that be measurable with the human eye-debatable unless you are buying an 88 inch screen or larger. The majority of consumers dont even buy 65inch so these people wont ever see a difference between 4k and 8k no matter how hard they look. Going from 1080p with HDR 4k any layperson with eyes that still work could see the increase in quality. 4kHDR to 8kHDR playing 4k content will be no difference, in fact the 4k will look better since its then native resolution of the set and does not add any unwanted processing to the image like 8k will do with the same image.

i use my pc on my 65 inch 4k display
definitely not the HDR that makes my day, but the pixels.
then again i have a great eyesight

[X-rayvision]

Originally Posted by HenriDeadMort

i use my pc on my 65 inch 4k display
definitely not the HDR that makes my day, but the pixels.
then again i have a great eyesight

For gaming? or movies?? I can see that for gaming but not movies

[JohnAV]

[8K footage] Meguro River Cherry blossom 2020�令和 目黒�沿��桜_8K】 - YouTube

7680 x 4320 @60Hz

A bit challenging for some PC to play at 8K compared to 30 Hz

[HenriDeadMort]

Originally Posted by X-rayvision

For gaming? or movies?? I can see that for gaming but not movies

Both.
i actually notice the more pixels when i watch movies.
and i notice it less for gaming.

[HenriDeadMort]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

[8K footage] Meguro River Cherry blossom 2020�令和 目黒�沿��桜_8K】 - YouTube
60Hz

A bit challenging for PC to play at 8K compared to 30 Hz

will be impossible for me to playback

[Show spoiler]Because i also don't have an 8k screen

Because my internet speed is 4mbps

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by HenriDeadMort

will probably never happen
for 3 reasons:
1- Even with hobbyists, more and more people will go to digital
2- I don't think we will have a (at least not cheap) way to put enough information on the disc, AKA maximum data+ bitrate
3- The Price they are gonna sell

You quoted me from 3 years ago to basically agree with me but make it seem like you're not. Okay.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

You quoted me from 3 years ago to basically agree with me but make it seem like you're not. Okay.

He's just doing that Penton Man thing of quoting like a word or two from an old post to make a point about something else.

[LordoftheRings]

A quick look @ one of the first reviews on one of the new 2020 Denon 8K receivers?
• https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...8/#post-433654

It's free, no one is forced to read it. Just move on ...

[HenriDeadMort]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

He's just doing that Penton Man thing of quoting like a word or two from an old post to make a point about something else.

wot

[HenriDeadMort]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

You quoted me from 3 years ago to basically agree with me but make it seem like you're not. Okay.

i didn't notice it was from 3 years ago, i thought it was a recent thread, soz

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by X-rayvision

Dude the cable companies are so cheap in the states they wont even upgrade to fiber optics and they've had years to do that. One reason is that there will be massive interruptions in service while they upgrade the lines which will piss off a lot of their American customer base who do not like their government imposing standards or rules on them that result in some sort of hardship to them (in this case no tv or internet - also see reactions to covid lockdowns). In japan they are more receptive to government intervention and authority, therefore they did not riot when they lost their internet for a duration of time. The usa will never force an upgrade that cause independent business financial hardships (all business need internet just being down a day could cost 100's of thousands of dollars, and that will result in a consumer uproar. If they havent upgraded the line by now with Fiber what makes people think they will ever upgrade cable lines in the future. Its mostly all 720p (comcast) shit and has been like that for decades now. No upgrades for years

Verizon FIOS and Comcast Xfinity are the two best cable/telephone companies in the United States when it comes to the fastest Internet service (and also the best TV channel selection). Some cities in the United States consumers have both Verzion FIOS and Comcast Xfinity and can choose which one they want. Verizon FIOS has been 100% fiber optic all the way to the network interface box on the side of the customers home. Comcast usually in most cities only fiber to the curb, and coaxial RG-6 QUAD shield cable is ran the rest of the way. Many cable and telephone companies around the United Stats are starting to do what Verizon did around 15 years ago and they are offering fiber optic all the way to the side of the customers home with a fiber optic to network interface box (some companies have even experimented with fiber going directly into the router and cable box instead of RG-6 or ethernet cable).

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“This is the eighth time in nine years that Fios, the fiber-to-the-home service from Verizon, has taken the top spot in our Fastest ISPs results. “
https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-fastest-isps-of-2020