Killers of the Flower Moon (2023)

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by SeanJoyce

Imagine thinking that The Age of Innocence is some sublime achievement over The Irishman (and I like TAOI a lot.)

It is in my opinion, especially in the context of the source which serves as the basis of the film.

Furthermore, are you telling me that The Irishman features better performances than those from Daniel Day-Lewis, Michelle Pfeiffer and Winona Ryder, not to mention the outstanding supporting cast, in The Age of Innocence?

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by Hoke Moseley

Thought there was gonna be some news posted... not a bunch of nonsense.

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

This is a bad take.

Originally Posted by Foggy

Because those are like, the only two Scorsese films out there.

Have you read Killers of the Flower Moon?

I didn't think so.

Next thing that you will tell me is that The Irishman is a superior film to Take Shelter, Sicario or Hell or High Water.

Perhaps you missed Mean Streets and Goodfellas the first time around?

[Hoke Moseley]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Have you read Killers of the Flower Moon?

I didn't think so.

Next thing that you will me is that The Irishman is a superior film to Take Shelter, Sicario or Hell or High Water.

Perhaps you missed Mean Streets and Goodfellas the first time around?

yes, I have... why would you assume that people haven't? It's one of the most acclaimed nonfiction books of the last decade.

And The Irishman is much better than all three of those movies... and not similar to any of them at all so I have no clue why you're even making that comparison.

If you think The Irishman didn't bring anything different to the table compared to Scorsese's previous crime films, then you totally missed the point.

You're the one that should "learn to read" and also learn that your iffy opinions shouldn't be declared as fact.

[CrazyBlu-RayFan]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Have you read Killers of the Flower Moon?

I didn't think so.

Next thing that you will tell me is that The Irishman is a superior film to Take Shelter, Sicario or Hell or High Water.

Perhaps you missed Mean Streets and Goodfellas the first time around?

I love Sicario, but holy crap does The Irishman eat it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner in quality. Ignoring the fact that the movies are super different to even be fairly compared; the acting, writing, and directing in The Irishman is vastly superior in my opinion. Sicario is a great movie, like 8 or 9 out of 10, The Irishman is full on 10 out of 10 in my opinion.

[Cremildo]

Sicario? Take Shelter? Hell or High Water? Eagerly awaiting the explanation as to how they relate to (the much superior) The Irishman...

Or not. This isn't the place for it, but the resident master contrarian/thread-derailer couldn't help himself again.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by Hoke Moseley

yes, I have... why would you assume that people haven't? It's one of the most acclaimed nonfiction books of the last decade.

Because anyone that has read the book should know that Killers of the Flower Moon is far more than a simple crime story, and in my opinion, is not a story that best served to the type of treatment found in The Irishman.

Originally Posted by Hoke Moseley

And The Irishman is much better than all three of those movies... and not similar to any of them at all so I have no clue why you're even making that comparison.

You, and others, are certainly entitled to your opinion, but no one is going convince me that The Irishman is a better film.

Furthermore, one of the big issues that I have with The Irishman was the decision to 'de-age' DeNiro in place of using a different actor.

DeNiro is 76 years old and is playing the role of a former Texas cowboy at least 30 years younger. Is Scorsese joking?

Originally Posted by Hoke Moseley

If you think The Irishman didn't bring anything different to the table compared to Scorsese's previous crime films, then you totally missed the point.

What point is that? Listen, I screened The Irishman at The Belasco here in NYC, and while it was a great night out to see the band back together, personally I did not walk out of the theater thinking this was a film that stood with Goodfellas or Casino.

Originally Posted by Hoke Moseley

You're the one that should "learn to read" and also learn that your iffy opinions shouldn't be declared as fact.

Oh, that's it. It's not so much my opinion, but the fact I have an informed opinion that is different than the consensus, and is stated with conviction.

Gets under the skin, doesn't it?

Which, of course, allows you and others to completely ignore the fact Taylor Sheridan has written a number of outstanding treatments about the West, and is in fact from a family of Texas lawmen.

After all, it's not about the best fit with the material, it's about Scorsese, De Niro and DiCaprio, and let me guess, you're a big Scorsese fan.

Of course you are, of course, of course.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by Cremildo

Sicario? Take Shelter? Hell or High Water? Eagerly awaiting the explanation as to how they relate to (the much superior) The Irishman...

Or not. This isn't the place for it, but the resident master contrarian/thread-derailer couldn't help himself again.

Because those three films were directed and/or written by individuals who, in my opinion, represent a much better fit with the material.

Pure and simple.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Have you read Killers of the Flower Moon?

I didn't think so.

Next thing that you will tell me is that The Irishman is a superior film to Take Shelter, Sicario or Hell or High Water.

Perhaps you missed Mean Streets and Goodfellas the first time around?

The Irishman is better than all three of those movies. Especially Sicario, which isn't all that good to begin with.

You read the book Killers of the Flower Moon, already decided how the movie should be, and don't think a filmmaker like Scorsese can bring anything new to the table? Let alone actors of the caliber of De Niro and DiCaprio?

You were probably the guy who thought David Fincher had no business making a Facebook movie.

And I have no idea what your Mean Streets/Goodfellas comment means. Then again, there isn't much sense in anything you've written here.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Have you read Killers of the Flower Moon?

I didn't think so.

Next thing that you will tell me is that The Irishman is a superior film to Take Shelter, Sicario or Hell or High Water.

Perhaps you missed Mean Streets and Goodfellas the first time around?

[Hoke Moseley]

Gotta remember this person's name so I don't waste any more time on them.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

The Irishman is better than all three of those movies. Especially Sicario, which isn't all that good to begin with.

If you say so. I say different.

Whatever that means relative to Killers of the Flower Moon, except I thought Scorsese brought a deft touch and a greater respect of the original material to The Age of Innocence, and less so for The Irishman, which is the only reason I mentioned both films. Now, you could argue the original material, specific to the book The Irishman was based upon, was not much to speak of, and that would be a fair point.

But no one did.

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

You read the book Killers of the Flower Moon, already decided how the movie should be, and don't think a filmmaker like Scorsese can bring anything new to the table? Let alone actors of the caliber of De Niro and DiCaprio?

You were probably the guy who thought David Fincher had no business making a Facebook movie.

Let's not get silly. If you read my original post, I have nothing but the highest regard for Scorsese, De Niro and DiCaprio.

That doesn't make this book a $200M film, and Scorsese and crew the best fit. In fact, as I've stated, having all three may create an expectation for the film that could potentially usurp the source material.

Once again, as I've already stated, I would argue The Irishman would have been a better film with a different cast to avoid so close a comparison to his earlier crime films.

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

And I have no idea what your Mean Streets/Goodfellas comment means.

Because in my opinion The Irishman, while an entertaining film, is not of the same caliber as Mean Streets, Goodfellas and Casino, unless of course you weren't around when those films were originally released. For all I know some are under the impression that party is still going, when in fact, the show was over decades ago.

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Then again, there isn't much sense in anything you've written here.

Based upon the weak replies to my post, there's a relief.

What's next? Memes?

[Koller70]

Eric Roth, the screenwriter of the project, a month ago did a podcast interview. Among the many things he briefly talked about Flower Moon, and said that Scorsese intends to start shooting in the fall, and that he's even considering Australia as another possible location for the film, since the USA is handling the pandemic so badly.

That makes me think that if he really starts shooting in the fall, then a 2021 release is very likely.

[Poya]

Originally Posted by Foggy

Originally Posted by Hoke Moseley

The Coens and PTA better make a movie together or I’ll start screaming.

[Hoke Moseley]

Originally Posted by Koller70

Eric Roth, the screenwriter of the project, a month ago did a podcast interview. Among the many things he briefly talked about Flower Moon, and said that Scorsese intends to start shooting in the fall, and that he's even considering Australia as another possible location for the film, since the USA is handling the pandemic so badly.

That makes me think that if he really starts shooting in the fall, then a 2021 release is very likely.

Just listened to the podcast... Roth hardly brings up Australia as a serious idea (and never says that Scorsese himself was considering it).

[scilover]

Now this is interesting. I would definitely want to see this in the cinema. My 2 favourite actors and my favourite director directing the movie? Take my money.

[BluCollector13]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

...if we're getting the Scorsese responsible for The Age of Innocence, all in. If we're getting the Scorsese of The Irishman, my preference is elsewhere.

Why not a hybrid of both? One understands not being enamored with "The Irishman", but many still consider it to be an important staple in Scorsese's filmography. Both films also highlight his meticulous grasp of understatement and the poetry of cinematic language. But that's just me.

[Cremildo]

Osage Nation Prepares for Scorsese’s $200 Million ‘Flower Moon’ to Film in February 2021

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by Cremildo

Osage Nation Prepares for Scorsese’s $200 Million ‘Flower Moon’ to Film in February 2021

As Osage News reports, the “Flower Moon” production is expected to employ many Native American crew members. The publication writes: “Before the pandemic, crew members of the film were in talks with Osage artisans, cooks, language speakers, homeowners, landowners, and others to work on the film. Filmmakers have also expressed interest in filming inside the Osage Capitol Building, the old Superintendent’s House on the Osage campus, and other Osage historical homes around the county.”

That’s good to hear! I’m excited! Gonna reread the book and see if I like it more the second time.

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by Poya

The Coens and PTA better make a movie together or I’ll start screaming.

I'd love to watch a film by the Coen Brothers and Wes Anderson.

[imsounoriginal]

Martin Scorsese Makes Apple First-Look Film & Television Deal For His Sikelia Productions Banner

EXCLUSIVE: Two and one-half months after it stepped up to become the principal financier of Killers of the Flower Moon, Apple has inked a first-look deal with its director, Martin Scorsese. The master filmmaker will base his Sikelia Productions banner at Apple in a multi-year deal for film and television projects Scorsese will produce and direct for Apple TV +.

The relationship kicks off with Killers of the Flower Moon, the Eric Roth-scripted adaptation of the David Grann non-fiction book which will star Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert De Niro will star in. Apple won an auction with the $180 million + film originally optioned by Paramount came back on the market. Deadline revealed on May 27 that Apple won a deal that has Paramount releasing the film theatrically. The film’s produced by Dan Friedkin and Bradley Thomas at Imperative Entertainment. The film is in pre-production and expected to get underway February in Oklahoma.