Back to the Future Trilogy 4K UHD (1985-1990)

[wildphantom]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

I hope the disks are easy to take out and don't break

The ease in which they can be removed...”perfect, just perfect”

[jerclay]

Originally Posted by andrewz

As far as I'm concerned, this is very poor job for what 4K could offer. Four times sharper than Full HD? That is a bad joke.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...9&l=0&i=6&go=1

Well, if you're into sharpening and edge enhancement... This very example you just posted nere is why the UHD is so much better.

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by Batman2

4cm or almost 3 blu-ray cases.

Thanks, just getting its spot ready:

Originally Posted by andrewz

I woke up in order to remind you that these UHD releases have image detail worth of 1080p, maybe less. You are praising Universal, but we could get these ten years ago, if Universal did their job right, instead of making BTTF a cash cow.

As far as I'm concerned, this is very poor job for what 4K could offer. Four times sharper than Full HD? That is a bad joke.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...9&l=0&i=6&go=1

[andrewz]

Originally Posted by jerclay

Well, if you're into sharpening and edge enhancement... This very example you just posted nere is why the UHD is so much better.

No, I'm not. I'm far from defending 2010 Blu-ray releases. What I say is that "4 times sharper" was promised and the reality is that the text in the newspaper is slightly easier to read... on the Blu-ray screenshot.

[UnbelievableMontages]

Received an eBay message saying Back to the Future will not be shipped prior to 10/20 release. They have not cancelled my BTTF order, it is backordered.

[wildphantom]

Just watched Part 1....

We’re absolutely seeing detail here we’ve never seen as it was DNR’d from existence. Which is, to be honest, a revelation if you’ve seen this movie a million times. I found my eye being dragged to characters and detail I’d normally turned a blind eye to. Everything feels so much more vibrant and dimensional, drawing you further in than it ever has at home.

Whilst I concur that its appearance massively benefits from the mediocrity that has come before, well...it largely looks wonderful and fans are going to be very happy.

There’s some ghosting outlines particularly noticeable in the Strickland scene early on in the movie, and the HDR doesn’t do some of the storm night scenes any good. The DV version might fare better here without HDR’s ‘‘one size fits all approach’. It’s minimal moments though.

But on the whole....this is lovely stuff. Colossal upgrade

[chip75]

Originally Posted by andrewz

As far as I'm concerned, this is very poor job for what 4K could offer. Four times sharper than Full HD? That is a bad joke.

Yes, UHD has four times the resolution of HD. Yes, there's an uptick in detail with new masters versus old ones (which were sharpened to give the perception of detail), but don't expect to read bumper stickers five miles away with new masters.

New 4K masters aren't new telescopes with new high-power lenses.

It's the marketing that folks fall for that's the joke.

[KENTA]

Originally Posted by andrewz

I woke up in order to remind you that these UHD releases have image detail worth of 1080p, maybe less. You are praising Universal, but we could get these ten years ago, if Universal did their job right, instead of making BTTF a cash cow.

As far as I'm concerned, this is very poor job for what 4K could offer. Four times sharper than Full HD? That is a bad joke.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...9&l=0&i=6&go=1

Please elaborate. I'm reading this "it has no 4k detail" very often.
What exactly are you talking about when you say 4k detail?
How can you measure 4k detail when scanning a camera negative of an 80s movie at 4k resolution?

Also, how are we going forward from here? How do we decide if a 35mm film that apparently holds 6k of resolution is worthy of a 4k release if the details are subjectively 720p anyhow? I'm a little bit confused about this whole topic.

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

This whole thread is confusing in terms of the US Blu-rays included in the set. The UK ones had issues, but are the US Blu-rays remastered and have the DNR removed?

It was the new UK Blu-Ray set that had the wrong discs, the U.K. UHD set contains the remastered discs.

[Pyoko]

Originally Posted by andrewz

What I say is that "4 times sharper" was promised

And you actually believe generic marketing hype?

There will always be limiting factors when it comes to pure sharpness, things that you can't really do anything about, so knowing that what in your opinion would have been the appropriate course of action for Universal? Not release it at all? Release it only on Blu-ray? Even if the source film isn't razor sharp there are still major improvements a UHD release can bring for something like this, we're not talking upscaling-early-2000s-SD-video-to-4K pointlessness here.

And if you're going to do discs in 2020, might as well make it 4K. At less than $15 per movie you're hardly paying a premium over a remastered BD set anyway.

[andrewz]

Originally Posted by KENTA

Please elaborate. I'm reading this "it has no 4k detail" very often.
What exactly are you talking about when you say 4k detail?
How can you measure 4k detail when scanning a camera negative of an 80s movie at 4k resolution?

Also, how are we going forward from here? How do we decide if a 35mm film that apparently holds 6k of resolution is worthy of a 4k release if the details are subjectively 720p anyhow? I'm a little bit confused about this whole topic.

Well, there are simple tools like bicubic interpolation and edge enhancement filter. These work very smoothly in real time even on slow hardware. So you can downscale a picture, let's say from 4K to 2K, and uspcale it back to 4K and apply the filter. If you compare the original vs the image you get from this procedure and the result is indistinguishable in terms of detail, it is clearly a waste of pixels. And that's exactly what happens with most UHD BDs in terms of resolution. When we talk about 35mm movies from like mid 90's and older, the only 4K thing about them is the film noise. And since film noise is often a subject of digital manipulation, it's irrelevant.

A good way to tell whether it's the remaster or the extra resolution that makes the picture better than before is to compare BD remaster and UHD BD screenshots (rather than comparing an old BD and UHD BD). https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...109106&i=5&l=0

Originally Posted by Pyoko

And you actually believe generic marketing hype?

There will always be limiting factors when it comes to pure sharpness, things that you can't really do anything about, so knowing that what in your opinion would have been the appropriate course of action for Universal? Not release it at all? Release it only on Blu-ray? Even if the source film isn't razor sharp there are still major improvements a UHD release can bring for something like this, we're not talking upscaling-early-2000s-SD-video-to-4K pointlessness here.

And if you're going to do discs in 2020, might as well make it 4K. At less than $15 per movie you're hardly paying a premium over a remastered BD set anyway.

In the first place, I would release things only in case I have source good enough to utilize the given format. Some releases make me think that they invented HDR video only to sell old movies one more time, since HDR is probably the only advantage it can get.

[JR Ewing]

Originally Posted by andrewz

No, I'm not. I'm far from defending 2010 Blu-ray releases. What I say is that "4 times sharper" was promised and the reality is that the text in the newspaper is slightly easier to read... on the Blu-ray screenshot.

Please stop!

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...aaaaaaand we're back to thinking it's trash again. Eh.

Even if it's not The Best UHD In The World it's still beating the old Blu-ray like a government mule for the improvements in colour (such as can be discerned from SDR converted caps), the dynamic range and most of all the lack of that hideous sharpening.

The optical with the flames between Marty and Doc's legs looks 10x better than it did before, not for resolution as they've obviously "managed" away the grain - and it's an optical anyway, duh - but the black matte lines around the two figures are almost completely gone and the lighting on their legs blends so much betterer with the actual flames.

If it doesn’t look as good or better than Jaws, it’s trash.

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If the postie don't have it with him I'll be chasing him down the street shouting "take that you mutated sonofab!tch!"

Or, “Eat lead, you slackers!!! Arrrrgh!!!!!”

[Vangeli]

My steelbooks shipped out and I’m excited, haven’t watched these in like 15 years now! Caps look like serious upgrades.

[SpazeBlue]

Originally Posted by The Edge

If it doesn’t look as good or better than Jaws, it’s trash.

Uh... What?

[themadbutcher]

Originally Posted by andrewz

A good way to tell whether it's the remaster or the extra resolution that makes the picture better than before is to compare BD remaster and UHD BD screenshots (rather than comparing an old BD and UHD BD). https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...109106&i=5&l=0

Well I for one let out a huge laugh when I clicked that link and saw which movie was featured in the caps

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by SpazeBlue

Uh... What?

Jaws looked immaculate on 4K disc. BTTF Trilogy deserves that treatment, at the very least.

[Pyoko]

Originally Posted by andrewz

In the first place, I would release things only in case I have source good enough to utilize the given format.

Which is what they've done here, as the UHD will be able to have better compression, better film grain, better sharpness and detail however slight, better colors and HDR.

If they ever decide to release Inland Empire or 28 Days Later on UHD then we can talk, but this is nowhere near that category. Even if something only utilizes 25% of the additional capabilities of UHD, that's still 25% you couldn't get on Blu-ray. And for what, to save three bucks? No thanks, I'll take the UHD.

[Leatherface88]

I saw on Amazon.ca that the Hoverboard limited edition was briefly priced at $66, but has recently been made unavailable for pre-order. Do you think it will be made available again?