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Old 12-02-2020, 08:44 AM   #7381
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People are genuinely interested in the availability of this release. I'm not sure that the same can be said of "cool story bro" style responses.

If you're honestly not interested in people's surprisingly difficult experience finding even the standard versions of these films, perhaps you're simply in the wrong thread.
Needless indifference. People are having serious issues obtaining them, and experiencing damaged products on arrival.

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Old 12-02-2020, 08:49 AM   #7382
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So, new features on each disc, or what? Could live without the Key and the Ring.

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Old 12-02-2020, 08:55 AM   #7383
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That was made by a fan.
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Old 12-02-2020, 08:55 AM   #7384
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Return of the King EE

Disc 1:

Quote:
Disc Size: 84,997,796,613 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Extras: Ultra HD, BD-Java
BDInfo: 0.7.5.9

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00803.MPLS
Length: 2:07:40.235 (h:m:s.ms)
Size: 84,030,326,784 bytes
Total Bitrate: 87.76 Mbps

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VIDEO:

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MPEG-H HEVC Video 64229 kbps 2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 4000nits / HDR10 / BT.2020
* MPEG-H HEVC Video 2103 kbps (3.17%) 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 4:2:0 / 10 bits / 4000nits / Dolby Vision MEL / BT.2020

AUDIO:

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Disc Size: 90,531,459,758 bytes
Protection: AACS2
Extras: Ultra HD, BD-Java
BDInfo: 0.7.5.9

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Old 12-02-2020, 08:57 AM   #7385
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Okay everyone calm down.
The grain is intact.
There is no edge enhancement.
More shadow detail preserved.
Colors are fantastic.

I don't know what sources people are using or how they are doing HDR to SDR range conversion, but the actual bluray sources (images below) have everything intact, grain and all.
I take what I've said so far back, these releases are the best LOTR releases to date.

Open link, right click -> view image, for full size,
Flip between tabs, the usual.

Good comparison images:

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Frodo HD
https://i.imgur.com/fPEACyA.jpg

Frodo 4K
https://i.imgur.com/QCLpZxJ.jpg


Frodo 2 HD (scratch on face)
https://i.imgur.com/pism4em.jpg

Frodo 2 4K
https://i.imgur.com/TetD9X1.jpg


Gandalf HD
https://i.imgur.com/LOY7nVc.jpg

Gandalf 4K
https://i.imgur.com/gnp9npB.jpg


Elrond HD
https://i.imgur.com/jQa60rk.jpg

Elrond 4K
https://i.imgur.com/28y3LnQ.jpg


Elrond 2 HD
https://i.imgur.com/034bPzv.jpeg

Elrond 2 4K
https://i.imgur.com/OvhcxBs.jpeg


Gollum HD
https://i.imgur.com/T8YCXzQ.jpg

Gollum 4K
https://i.imgur.com/SKjnRa1.jpg


Dragon HD
https://i.imgur.com/S36zBIJ.jpg

Dragon 4K (more shadow detail)
https://i.imgur.com/WyMTa5n.jpg


Moria HD
https://i.imgur.com/nvniT6y.jpg

Moria 4K (more shadow detail, CG door fixed)
https://i.imgur.com/C90KozJ.jpg


Pan Grain HD
https://i.imgur.com/0JPSVFe.jpg

Pan Grain 4K
https://i.imgur.com/CygLVZl.jpg


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Anyone else who ordered the steels from Amazon UK? It has been preparing for dispatch for days now. Same with another separate order I made. Money has been taken a few days ago.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:08 AM   #7387
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Streaming bit rates (for those who are interested).

AVBR - PVBR - ABR

Columns 3-6 - iTunes
Columns 7-10 - MoviesAnywhere

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Hobbit 1 (EE)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	15.06	24.61	768	4K - DV - DD	24.56	32.13	256
Hobbit 1 (EE)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	15.06	24.61	768	4K - DV - DD	24.52	33.12	256
Hobbit 2 (EE)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	14.99	24.6	768	4K - DV - DD	24.33	31.58	256
Hobbit 2 (EE)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	15.01	24.61	768	4K - DV - DD	24.36	31.83	256
Hobbit 3 (EE)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	14.85	24.59	768	4K - DV - DD	24.6	31.72	256
Hobbit 1 (EE)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	14.87	24.59	768	4K - DV - DD	24.57	32.42	256
LOTR 1 (EE)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	15.15	24.63	768	4K - DV - DD	24.57	32.4	256
LOTR 1 (TC)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	15.15	24.64	768	4K - DV - DD	24.54	32.51	256
LOTR 2 (EE)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	15.15	24.63	768	4K - DV - DD	24.65	32.29	256
LOTR 2 (TC)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	15.04	24.44	768	4K - DV - DD	24.55	32.13	256
LOTR 3 (EE)	Warner	HD - SDR - DD	10.17	14.94	384	4K - DV - DD	24.9	33.3	256
LOTR 3 (TC)	Warner	4K - DV - DA	15.16	24.62	768	4K - DV - DD	24.84	31.74	256
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:10 AM   #7388
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[Show spoiler]
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Originally Posted by James Freeman View Post
Okay everyone calm down.
The grain is intact.
There is no edge enhancement.
More shadow detail preserved.
Colors are fantastic.

I don't know what sources people are using or how they are doing HDR to SDR range conversion, but the actual bluray sources (images below) have everything intact, grain and all.
I take what I've said so far back, these releases are the best LOTR releases to date.

Open link, right click -> view image, for full size,
Flip between tabs, the usual.

Good comparison images:



Same images Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/STTa8Sp


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Old 12-02-2020, 09:13 AM   #7389
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On image called "Frodo 2 HD" you can see a long scratch from nose to chin.
Leads me to believe they used a different source for the film, or fixed it.

On image Moria HD/4K you can see they fixed the CG door.
So they did fix the CG some and obviously color graded it to blend with the film better.

On image Gollum HD you can see a white dust particle that is not present on the 4K image.
As above, I think they used a different source for the scan, or fixed it in post.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:15 AM   #7390
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Quote:
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Okay everyone calm down.
The grain is intact.
There is no edge enhancement.
More shadow detail preserved.
Colors are fantastic.

I don't know what sources people are using or how they are doing HDR to SDR range conversion, but the actual bluray sources (images below) have everything intact, grain and all.
I take what I've said so far back, these releases are the best LOTR releases to date.

Open link, right click -> view image, for full size,
Flip between tabs, the usual.

Good comparison images:



Same images Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/STTa8Sp
4k doesn't look green enough.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:19 AM   #7391
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About those quotes from Jackson:

What is it with people like George Lucas or him? Why it's about making old movies to look like the new ones? It's The Hobbit Trilogy that's iconsistent with LOTR, not the other way around.
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4k doesn't look green enough.
Those who lament the loss of the notorious green tint can obtain green plastic wrap to cover their screens with. Or perhaps their head :P

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Quote:
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About those quotes from Jackson:

What is it with people like George Lucas or him? Why it's about making old movies to look like the new ones? It's The Hobbit Trilogy that's iconsistent with LOTR, not the other way around.
He's the artist, it's his work and it's up to him, not you.
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It’s nice that it seems there’s a bit of a balance on the 4K between the previous versions’ extremes. Obviously it’s nowhere near as green as the blu, but it also doesn’t skew quite as magenta as the old DVD http://www.hd-compare.de/?cmp=lotr_fotr&pic=5#pic
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:52 AM   #7396
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He's the artist, it's his work and it's up to him, not you.
It's not up to you to decide if I can question his public statements, especially on a forum which is a place where we exchange our opinions and this thread is nothing else than one huge discussion about PJ's work.
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It's not up to you to decide if I can question his public statements, especially on a forum which is a place where we exchange our opinions and this thread is nothing else than one huge discussion about PJ's work.
He was answering your question.
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On image called "Frodo 2 HD" you can see a long scratch from nose to chin.
Leads me to believe they used a different source for the film, or fixed it.

On image Gollum HD you can see a white dust particle that is not present on the 4K image.
As above, I think they used a different source for the scan, or fixed it in post.
The fact that print damage is removed is evidence that these transfers are, in fact, brand new, not just upscales. And I believe a few pages back, someone noticed a scratch on the 4K that was removed in previous masters - so, it is a new 4K scan as purported. It’s dizzying to consider how many hours of film the remastering team had to scan, stabilize, correctly frame, grade precisely, and then go through removal of scratches, hairs and dirt. Amazing work.

I legitimately love the new 4K transfers. There is some grain management, but not enough to entirely remove the grain and turn the image into a smeary mess. Let’s not forget that grain removal tools have come leaps and bounds since the early 2000s. The grain isn’t always consistent, as it peaks in some shots and looks almost invisible in others, but let’s not forget that several different film stocks were used during shooting. Lenses, aperture, and shooting conditions will also influence the look of the grain, of course. I was amazed at the detail on display, especially on clothing and sets.

As I’ve stated before, there are some seriously crummy shots in Two Towers, and it really is a shame that the remastering team couldn’t do anything to rectify these moments. But anything is a possibility here, from missing negatives to essential invisible VFX they couldn’t redo - and some shots could’ve also been zoomed in which revealed way too much grain. I would certainly say that these moments are from the digital files, rather than filmout scans. The bad-looking shots are weirdly isolated to the first half of the extended cut of TTT.

So, yeah, I loved marathoning these discs (started as soon as I got home from the shops on Monday afternoon, and I finished on Tuesday afternoon), the films were a pleasure to watch again, and the upgrades across the board - in terms of clarity, spatial detail, colours, contrast, etc. - are not insignificant. The Blu-rays have become coasters.

Oh, can we also appreciate just how much artistry went into these films, and how much they relied on practical effects and old-fashioned camera tricks?
Frodo and Gandalf on the cart? Forced perspective, no CG.
Hobbits sharing the frame with humans and other taller characters? Subtle body doubles. The height difference is so astonishingly effortless that you subconsciously accept it.
Hell, even when cutting between close-ups, human characters are usually framed at eye level while the camera is angled downwards when capturing Hobbits, who also get a bit of headroom in the frame. Something you don’t notice but makes such an impact.
The ring hitting the ground so firmly when Bilbo drops it? They used a magnet.
Legolas gliding over the snow while everybody else is stuck in it? Orlando Bloom was given his own firm walking track.
The sheer amount of practical model work is also staggering.

These films are incredible.
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It's not up to you to decide if I can question his public statements, especially on a forum which is a place where we exchange our opinions and this thread is nothing else than one huge discussion about PJ's work.
Lol I didn't decide whether or not you can question his public statements. I'm just stating the obvious, an artist has every right to do what they want with their work. Didn't mean to trigger you so much. Peace out.
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Originally Posted by StrayButler91 View Post
The fact that print damage is removed is evidence that these transfers are, in fact, brand new, not just upscales. And I believe a few pages back, someone noticed a scratch on the 4K that was removed in previous masters - so, it is a new 4K scan as purported. It’s dizzying to consider how many hours of film the remastering team had to scan, stabilize, correctly frame, grade precisely, and then go through removal of scratches, hairs and dirt. Amazing work.

I legitimately love the new 4K transfers. There is some grain management, but not enough to entirely remove the grain and turn the image into a smeary mess. Let’s not forget that grain removal tools have come leaps and bounds since the early 2000s. The grain isn’t always consistent, as it peaks in some shots and looks almost invisible in others, but let’s not forget that several different film stocks were used during shooting. Lenses, aperture, and shooting conditions will also influence the look of the grain, of course. I was amazed at the detail on display, especially on clothing and sets.

As I’ve stated before, there are some seriously crummy shots in Two Towers, and it really is a shame that the remastering team couldn’t do anything to rectify these moments. But anything is a possibility here, from missing negatives to essential invisible VFX they couldn’t redo - and some shots could’ve also been zoomed in which revealed way too much grain. I would certainly say that these moments are from the digital files, rather than filmout scans. The bad-looking shots are weirdly isolated to the first half of the extended cut of TTT.

So, yeah, I loved marathoning these discs (started as soon as I got home from the shops on Monday afternoon, and I finished on Tuesday afternoon), the films were a pleasure to watch again, and the upgrades across the board - in terms of clarity, spatial detail, colours, contrast, etc. - are not insignificant. The Blu-rays have become coasters.

Oh, can we also appreciate just how much artistry went into these films, and how much they relied on practical effects and old-fashioned camera tricks?
Frodo and Gandalf on the cart? Forced perspective, no CG.
Hobbits sharing the frame with humans and other taller characters? Subtle body doubles. The height difference is so astonishingly effortless that you subconsciously accept it.
Hell, even when cutting between close-ups, human characters are usually framed at eye level while the camera is angled downwards when capturing Hobbits, who also get a bit of headroom in the frame. Something you don’t notice but makes such an impact.
The ring hitting the ground so firmly when Bilbo drops it? They used a magnet.
Legolas gliding over the snow while everybody else is stuck in it? Orlando Bloom was given his own firm walking track.
The sheer amount of practical model work is also staggering.

These films are incredible.


What did you think of the colour grading changes in TTT? I think if they put that new grade to the Ent battle on the forthcoming Blu-ray, it's going to literally look like poo.
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