The Lord of the Rings Trilogy 4K UHD Extended & Theatrical (2001-2003)

[Pagey123]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You mean they didn't take them from the kitchen webcam? I got all dressed up for nothing! (Damn, that's another Highlander reference)

LOL, no worries, you look fabulous, darling. Now, can you move the roll of paper towels and the package of Everything (TM) bagels? I can't see the show!

[Bn43]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

It's far from good, but compared to the other two it's like Arrow did it.

I'm confused, because I feel like I watched a different movie. What makes The Lost World far from good?

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I own it on Vudu, and I loved it. He colorized that vintage footage, used frame interpolation and even 3D (3D version was unavailable for purchase, maybe still is) to bring audiences to the material and remove the distance of time. All that and a sound mix created from scratch. It feels like cinema as a time machine. Jackson didn't do all that for simple reasons, there was a method and a point to it all...to make WWI live again for today's audiences. Sure didn't feel like perverted digital vomit to me.

Same here. Loved it and what PJ did here worked for me big time.

[KENTA]

Originally Posted by Pagey123

One of the reasons I love Fellowship so much is the time spent in the Shire. I grew up on and around cattle farms all my life. My wife and I are currently the fourth generation family owners of a little 70 acre former cattle farm here on the Cumberland Plateau. This place is MY Shire. Here are some pics, taken this fall, of the family farm where we now reside. Hope you enjoy!

https://ibb.co/vBhGMY0

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https://ibb.co/60GqqQ1

https://ibb.co/7tnjVNk

https://ibb.co/D7nxRts

Living the life, mate.
As someone who's moved from the countryside to a large city, I do miss these kind of sights.

[Pagey123]

Originally Posted by Tlen

Out of curiosity, i took a little frame from what seems to be the better image of the lot.

The little frame is, to try not be distracted by the overall good quality of the pic.



To me it seem the source is quite the same.

What do you think about it?

Here is what I think: based on the examples that JamesFreeman took the time to carefully link; based on the major uptick in both the resolution of film grain AND in the nature/texture/size/appearance of that grain; and based on the changing/shifting in framing that other 4K 35 mm scans exhibited...I feel, personally, that it is very possible that we did not get fresh, native 4K OCN scans here. Again, I am stating personal opinion. But based on the objective analysis of how the other examples looked and how framing differences behaved (and I don't see any framing differences for LOTR), I cannot successful argue, I feel, that we got a fresh scan here.

[Tlen]

The more i look at it the more i see they did a so wonderful job of chroma rebalancing
that details lost in the pastry color palette of the BD took new life.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Bn43

I'm confused, because I feel like I watched a different movie. What makes The Lost World far from good?

Old dated master, pushed a little too far.

[Ernest Rister]

In Bill Hunt's defense, it sure sounds like he's quoting off a press release, because the same info he shared is in a lot of reviews. For instance:

https://www.highdefwatch.com/post/th...ring-4k-review

"This go around, a New Zealand post-production facility owned by WingNut Films, scanned the original Super 35 camera negative (Kodak film stock) in 4K (2.39:1 aspect ratio). In 2001, the film was scanned and rendered in 2K. Visual effects that were finished on 35mm were also scanned in 4K and all digital effect shots that were originally mastered in 2K were upconverted to 4K to produce a completely new 4K digital intermediate. Jackson supervised and approved the remastering project, which involved the 4K scanning, color grading, HDR coding, and any cleanup work."

[Pagey123]

But let me again add/stress: I NEVER recall LOTR having a filmic sheen of grain over it, in any format I saw. I don't recall it in the theater, either, but as I stated in my rambling long arse post, I don't rely on those memories as accurate. So, it may be that for however it was captured, there simply is not enough grain to be able to tell the difference in a 2K scan of the OCN versus a 4K scan of the OCN. Now, with that said, I still think there is an objective argument to be made that a true native 4K scan of a 35 mm OCN should yield SOME kind of grain structure from that raw negative. This particular release is quite baffling, honestly.

[Pagey123]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

In Bill Hunt's defense, it sure sounds like he's quoting off a press release, because the same info he shared is in a lot of reviews. For instance:

https://www.highdefwatch.com/post/th...ring-4k-review

"This go around, a New Zealand post-production facility owned by WingNut Films, scanned the original Super 35 camera negative (Kodak film stock) in 4K (2.39:1 aspect ratio). In 2001, the film was scanned and rendered in 2K. Visual effects that were finished on 35mm were also scanned in 4K and all digital effect shots that were originally mastered in 2K were upconverted to 4K to produce a completely new 4K digital intermediate. Jackson supervised and approved the remastering project, which involved the 4K scanning, color grading, HDR coding, and any cleanup work."

Exactly! I made the same assumption, and, possibly, mistake. Again, we do not know for sure, but I am with you: the way it was worded, and carried over to other sites, I assumed they all had access to, and were quoting from, an official press release.

[androcell]

Isn't this at the bottom suppose to be an official press release? Says nothing about scanning the original negative.

https://highdefdiscnews.com/2020/10/...k-in-december/

[Bn43]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Old dated master, pushed a little too far.

As long as the scanning equipment was good, I don't see the issue or why it would need to be mastered again. How old?

[lgans316]

Just completed a critical viewing of LOTR FOTR EE.

Despite looking good for about 2/3rd of the time, I did find DNR a bit too much for my tastes. YMMV. Btw I am not going to complain excessively but just sharing my opinion

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Just completed a critical viewing of LOTR FOTR EE.

Despite looking good for about 2/3rd of the time, I did find DNR a bit too much for my tastes. YMMV. Btw I am not going to complain excessively but just sharing my opinion

How dare you share an opinion not based on screen caps only.

[androcell]

Sure, better to pretend DNRed shots does not exist.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by androcell

Sure, better to pretend DNRed shots does not exist.

You don't even own a UHD TV. You can't tell if it's a 2K upscale or not. You don't know what DNR was baked in from the original post production.

You never even explained to me how you captured the caps you posted, despite asking multiple questions to that effect.

You are completely incredulous.

[Wes_k089]

Watched two towers last night. Looked very good the majority of the time. There are a few insanely DNRd shots in Rohan. A very small fraction of the whole.

There are some some blinding HDR moments. When King theoden is putting on his armor at helms deep and when Gandalf rides into hels deep.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Wes_k089

Watched two towers last night. Looked very good the majority of the time. There are a few insanely DNRd shots in Rohan. A very small fraction of the whole.

There are some some blinding HDR moments. When King theoden is putting on his armor at helms deep and when Gandalf rides into hels deep.

Which shots exactly?

[DOULG1VEN]

Watched all 3 movies (EE). RotK looks the worst because it has the most CGI - honestly the CGI is not that offensive, but it's ~20 years old. They can't magically make it look like avengers endgame lol.

I think fellowship looked best. Overall the HDR/DV + Atmos is the clear major upgrade and benefit here. This is the only movie I've ever pre-ordered and I couldn't be happier... Great trilogy

[androcell]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

You don't even own a UHD TV. You can't tell if it's a 2K upscale or not. You don't know what DNR was baked in from the original post production.

You never even explained to me how you captured the caps you posted, despite asking multiple questions to that effect.

You are completely incredulous.

Already explained it, told you what software I'm using for it. Try harder and stop trolling.
https://aboutdevice.com/how-to-take-...ith-potplayer/
So even if DNR was baked in the original post production, how does it change the fact that the UHD was heavily processed as well? How you can prove it wasn't?