The Lord of the Rings Trilogy 4K UHD Extended & Theatrical (2001-2003)

[Tlen]

Originally Posted by James Freeman

Never say never.
If they could milk it for a 100 years they will.

And we don't forget that will be ALL types of anniversaries to celebrate

[James Freeman]

The camera negatives are "Hidden. Dark and deep in the vaults, not to be used. Unless at the uttermost… end of need."

[Gieferg]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

What, you have some serious difficulties understanding obvious things?

Originally Posted by tama

Can you find 4K grain on SC/Lionsgate release of Terminator 2?

That's an upscale too.
And while we're at it - T2 was (unoficially) saved with fake grain treatment, maybe someone will do it for LOTR too :P

[James Freeman]

I think they don't have the camera negatives anymore...
Harry Potter, Matrix, and many more 35mm WB films from 1999-2003 era got a proper 4k negative scans and 4k releases.
I think something is up with LOTR negatives.

[Tlen]

Nah i just think PJ got the occasion to get 2 birds with 1 net.

Faster work without rescanning (that is the most time consuming and hard work),

and soft look he liked, served on a silver dish.

[DViant]

Originally Posted by James Freeman

I think they don't have the camera negatives anymore...
Harry Potter, Matrix, and many more 35mm WB films from 1999-2003 era got a proper 4k negative scans and 4k releases.
I think something is up with LOTR negatives.

Jackson disclosed that they used cheaper cameras for the first movies and upgraded to better IQ ones once they made money.

For what's its worth I wish my parents were alive, my sib and I had a spouse with kids to watch LOTR & The Hobbit Extended 4K HDR copy today.

Would be awesome to have them over to my home theater with one 4 hour movie per night.

[Scottishguy]

It's amazing they all come out at the same time.

[red_5ive]

Originally Posted by AreaFive

I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I'm a bit intrigued by your initial lack of LFE as that wasn't my experience at all. I'm glad you were able to overcome it by adjusting your set up. I can't wait to watch the rest.

It could be that I don't do the typical and run my subs hot. Normally 2 subs active is more than enough to shake the walls, and I'll only turn on my 3rd sub on occasion, which when active gives about +6db.

But I've also watched these movies enough times to know what the LFE "feels' like in certain scenes in my setup. Like the Bridge Of Khazad Dum scene, normally has more activity with just 2 subs active.

But I don't want to say there's no bass. My couch was still shaking with just the 2 subs, it's just that I was used to there being more in certain scenes I saw early on. If I had nothing to compare to before hand I probably wouldn't have noticed.

I looked it up afterward and found this thread that mentions a 30Hz roll-off on AV Forums (with graphs), which is what I was referencing in my prior post.

[James Freeman]

Originally Posted by Gieferg

That's an upscale too.

T2 negatives were actually scanned 4k I can see the 4k grain in the backgrounds, but they obliterated it with DNR and Edge Enhancement for the main subjects in the front.

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

500" 16K TV

My brain chip ("Now you can download your favorite movies straight into your brain!") is laughing at your puny TV

[Gieferg]

Originally Posted by James Freeman

T2 negatives were actually scanned 4k I can see the 4k grain in the backgrounds, but they obliterated it with DNR and Edge Enhancement for the main subjects in the front.

Well, someone tested this - upscaled Blu-ray screenshots were identical to UHD screenshots. Even if there was 4K scanning, there's no visible advantages of it.

[James Freeman]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

It's amazing they all come out at the same time.

What do you mean "they"?
I think it's time for you to take a break, it's not your personal thread, people here know what they are talking about more than you know or want to believe.

[Fjodor2000]

Some thoughts on DNR, noise, and detail:

1. In general for analogue film source:
a) Preserve grain to keep detail
b) Use DNR very sparingly, since it results in less detail

2) In general for digital film source:
a) Do not add artificial grain/noise, since it serves no benefit (e.g. cannot improve detail by reversing 1a) )

In essence, grain is not only good or bad. But it serves a purpose to preserve detail for analogue film. Clearly this rule seems to have been broken for LOTR 4K BD, where DNR has been used to no positive advantage, but only resulting in less detail.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by James Freeman

What do you mean "they"?
I think it's time for you to take a break, it's not your personal thread, people here know what they are talking about more than you know or want to believe.

Whatever you say Mr 4K grain.

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by Fjodor2000

Some thoughts on DNR, noise, and detail:

1. In general for analogue film source:
a) Preserve grain to keep detail
b) Use DNR very sparingly, since it results in less detail

2) In general for digital film source:
a) Do not add artificial grain/noise, since it serves no benefit (e.g. cannot improve detail by reversing 1a) )

In essence, grain is not only good or bad. But it serves a purpose to preserve detail for analogue film. Clearly this rule seems to have been broken for LOTR 4K BD, where DNR has been used to no positive advantage, but only resulting in less detail.

You being a videographer consultant to Hollywood, having also personally seen what Jackson and co. were looking at in the remastering process; in order to speak so authoritatively about these matters. I'm sure you have some credentials backing this up.

[LordoftheRings]

Are they going to release it in 3D ... LOTR trilogy?

4K Doby Atoms is plentiful enough in 2020. ...8K in 2025?

[Fjodor2000]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

You being a videographer consultant to Hollywood, having also personally seen what Jackson and co. were looking at in the remastering process; in order to speak so authoritatively about these matters. I'm sure you have some credentials backing this up.

If you disagree with what I wrote, state why, and what you base that statement on.

[Vader815]

I had time to sample my copies (they finally got restocked locally). I have to say, while I agree with some that there are some disappointing blemishes on the image like too much DNR, these discs are all gorgeous and by far the best The Lord of the Rings has looked at home.

Seeing the opening in The Shire, with the more naturalistic color grade restored in vivid 4K, was so beautiful I became downright emotional. To those of you who can't enjoy these discs, I'm sorry you can't enjoy these the way many of us are. As someone who's seen these movies a million times in every format, this release feels like a revelation.

[TPerryoo7]

I can't decide. I only want the theatrical trilogy. I can't afford the 4K disc set right now, so is it worth it to get the 4K trilogy digitally for $30, or get the original blu-ray trilogy for about 10? I really want to watch these again this year.

I'm not liking the 4K screencaps I've seen comparing the new transfer to the first (not the extended with the green tint). The 4K screencaps look a bit waxy, harsh and less colorful than the warm, filmic, soft looking blu ray, which, may be the better presentation of these films overall.

I'm still willing to give the 4K's a shot, if the HDR is spectacular, or if it looks genuinely much better in person... but then again, this is digital. It can't really compare to physical. So I'm on the fence. My TV upscales 1080p content really well, and blu-rays still look tremendous IMO. Probably the best feature of my TV honestly.

So, Digital 4K (via Vudu) vs Original physical blu-ray disc. Which is the better value? Or is there a better, higher quality digital avenue than Vudu? That's where my digital collection is.

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by James Freeman

The camera negatives are "Hidden. Dark and deep in the vaults, not to be used. Unless at the uttermost… end of need."

""I would not use the camera negative. Not if Hollywood were falling in ruin and I alone could save her."