Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K UHD (1977-2019)

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

I get ya but Anakin killing children is a complex issue. That asked a tough pertinent question. Just saying. Sorry if I upset you.

No not really, he killed every padawan, because in his corrupted mind he felt they were a threat. That's not a complex issue or thematic commentary. In TLJ Luke talked about the failure of the jedi and about the vanity of them being THE only source of light. That the light did not belong to the Jedi. The Jedi needing to end actually made sense. DJ pointed out how good vs bad was an illusion when he showed Finn that the owner of the stolen ship was an arms dealer for both sides. "It's all a machine, man".

Those are examples of what I'm talking about. Themes, underlying messages, things that provoke the mind to think about that you normally wouldn't in Star Wars lore.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by jess1581

No not really, he killed every padawan, because in his corrupted mind he felt they were a threat. That's not a complex issue or thematic commentary. In TLJ Luke talked about the failure of the jedi and about the vanity of them being THE only source of light. That the light did not belong to the Jedi. The Jedi needing to end actually made sense. DJ pointed out how good vs bad was an illusion when he showed Finn that the owner of the stolen ship was an arms dealer for both sides. "It's all a machine, man".

Those are examples of what I'm talking about. Themes, underlying messages, things that provoke the mind to think about that you normally wouldn't in Star Wars lore.

I think it's this: It's a machine, partner. Live free don't join.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I think it's this: It's a machine, partner. Live free don't join.

^yes, that exactly.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by 1924

So are these releases considered duds overall?

Duds is going too far but they are somewhat disappointing. Detail upticks on the releases? Yes. Better audio? Yep. Decent use of HDR/DV? Decent, yes.

But.... a little too much DNR sauce slathered on? Yes. Some digital scrubbery? Yes. An unexplained brightness/luminance reduction on AOTC and possibly other discs? I think so yes.

Overall? Id say they are average. Like 3.0 to 3.5 out of 5.0 from a 4K quality standpoint. Being star wars though means they should have been slam-dunk, 100% 5-star releases. Like reference. But they certainly arent.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by 1924

I’m talking about the 4K discs

I haven't watched any of them through yet but peeked at parts of them so far.

I've also seen all of them in theaters in most possible ways such as original 35mm; original 70mm (missed for ROTJ though); re-release SE 35mm; 35mm and both digital projection types for TPM; 35mm, digital projection and shortened, cropped 4:3 film IMAX for AOTC; 35mm and digital for ROTS; digital, Dolby 3D, IMAX 3D, 6P laser IMAX 4k per eye 3D with exapnded 4:3 scene for TFA; digital, IMAX 3D, IMAX, 6P Laser IMAX 3D for RO; digital, IMAX 3D, IMAX, DC, 6P Laser IMAX 3D for TLJ; digital, IMAX 3D, DC for Solo; digital, 3P Laser IMAX 3D, 3P Laser IMAX, DC, 6P Laser IMAX 4k per eye 3D for TROS


I. unfortunately they used the DNR'ed version as the starting point so it looks digital and smeary compared to how it looked in the theaters in many scenes, however so did all prior versions so it's nothing worse there and they did bring out a trace more detail this time

OTOH, it FINALLY brings back some of the deep color saturation and strong contrast in some key, beautiful scenes, some of that is still lacking compared to how it was in the theaters but it's much better than it has been on any home version so far.

so it is the best it's looked on home video for sure
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II. unfortunately it seems a bit low contrast and low saturation compared to the theaters still and doesn't get a fix in those regards, it does show a trace more detail than prior home versions
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III/ looks good, reveals a bit more detail than the old home releases (a bit more noticeably so than for II)
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IV. color grading is the closest to original look we've ever gotten on home video so it's great for that, at times shows much more detail than we have ever seen before

BUT it has a LOT of DNR and frozen grain and doesn't look filmic, it feels weird since the grading is soooo much like the theatrical release that it makes feel extra jarring the natural grain is so messed with, form the bits I've peeked at the DNR doesn't seem to ever reduce detail below old releases, it's always the same or better to much better though, but a weird look
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V. same story but even more DNR
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VI. this one goes even more insane with DNR and in some cases you can see they totally watercolored it to bits and then overlayed fine pixel level grain over it so it looks VERY weird, sometimes has LESS actual real detail than prior blu-ray! almost all shadows are smeared of detail, some weird things like were a smearing circle brush was randomly dropped onto some frames, some scenes do have a lot more detail than ever seen before, but some scenes have all parts with LESS detail than the old-blu, many scenes have parts with less detail and a few even have parts of scenes with less detail the DVD! some chunks of it look VERY weird and unnatural, but then some scenes look weird but have much more detail than ever seen before

colors and grading are once again the most natural we've ever seen in the home though
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VII. only peeked a little, looks to have more detail than seen on prior release for the home, looks to have nicer grading with richer and more subtle color more like it was in the limited dual eye 4k 3D Laser IMAX release it got in a few theaters which is very nice than it had on the prior home releases
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RO. looks good, detail improvement seems a lot more than what capsaholic makes it seem
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VIII. now offers isolated score on associated blu-ray, main movie encode on UHD seems a bit less bitrate and maybe a trace less grain compared to old release though?
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Solo. I think the theatrical IMAX grading was overall the best and the Dolby Cinema theatrical grading overall by far the worst (although some of the Mimban mud planet stuff was the best in this version)

UHD is probably closer to the DC than the IMAX which is a shame for the parts where characters have a lot of brightness behind them, some scenes look great like all the intro stuff in the city and in the lair and such, more detail than other home versions and some of the worm lair and stuff looks better than other home versions
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IX. much better detail than other home versions but the grading is kinda overly intense, really need to dial down max light level your TV can hit otherwise it's more shock and takes away from drama

also it somewhat tends more towards the vastly inferior theatrical Dolby Cinema grading which did a lot of highlight retrieval but then just pushed midtones down lower! often leaves Rey's face too dark and shadowy looking and that changes the feeling of her mood and kinda takes away from the mood and tone of the movie. The laser IMAX theatrical grading was the best, followed by the standard theatrical grading. The DC one really changed some of the mood and feel of the film and it plays much worse IMO. The DC version also gave this odd yellow cast to a lot of scenes and made the desert celebration stuff over-saturated in a weird way. I think they altered and messed it up too much compared to the standard grading. The laser IMAX grading respected the base standard theatrical grading and then just gave you better blacks and shadows and more pop to the lightsabers, stars, etc. very nice looking light HDR keeping proper ratios of tones in a natural way that retained the proper mood the story.
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[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

It had the most moderate DNR, yes.

what? ROTJ is the one where many scenes have less true detail than even the old blu-ray, a few things even less than the DVD and where almost all very deep shadows are mush and the one where some scenes where fully de-grained, totally waxed over and the fully fake grained, the only one where a large radius smearing brush was accidentally dropped onto some frames in random spots, etc.

[jeangreyforever]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Before The Last Jedi, Carrie Fisher said her character was force-sensitive but chose not to pursue the force because of her responsibility to the alliance. She was right. I wouldn't have given her those amazing abilities. Doesn't help that it's explained with a badly rendered CG flashback.

She said that for TFA because her character was not written as force sensitive there. And Carrie has confirmed that she was disappointed with her role in TFA.

When TLJ came out, she told Anthony Daniels that she was much happier with the script and of course she ended up working with Rian to further polish the script.

So if your post was trying to state that Carrie never wanted to be force sensitive, that's completely untrue especially since she's stated numerous times that she wishes she could have been a Jedi with her own lightsaber, a purple one. And her brother also confirmed that IX was meant to be her movie and she would have been the last Jedi and wielded a saber and this was Carrie's wish.

So all signs point towards her enjoying the "force flying" scene in TLJ, especially since she would have given her input on it and helped write it.

I'm so glad we got to see that scene because it was the first time we ever got to see Leia use her powers and I never thought for even a second we'd get a chance to see that on the big screen.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by jeangreyforever

She said that for TFA because her character was not written as force sensitive there. And Carrie has confirmed that she was disappointed with her role in TFA.

When TLJ came out, she told Anthony Daniels that she was much happier with the script and of course she ended up working with Rian to further polish the script.

So if your post was trying to state that Carrie never wanted to be force sensitive, that's completely untrue especially since she's stated numerous times that she wishes she could have been a Jedi with her own lightsaber, a purple one. And her brother also confirmed that IX was meant to be her movie and she would have been the last Jedi and wielded a saber and this was Carrie's wish.

So all signs point towards her enjoying the "force flying" scene in TLJ, especially since she would have given her input on it and helped write it.

I'm so glad we got to see that scene because it was the first time we ever got to see Leia use her powers and I never thought for even a second we'd get a chance to see that on the big screen.

That scene was majestic, worthy of Leia's character legacy as well as Carrie's.

[jeangreyforever]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

It’s not unbelievable if you didn’t like TLJ. Certain people who saw the original trilogy at cinemas probably expected Luke, Leia and co to come back because hey they were in the original trilogy that started it all and they didn’t die. Some might have expected to see Luke in full Jedi Master mode. But that didn’t happen because the film makers basically didn’t want to show that. That’s why episode 8 Season 2 of The Mandalorian with Luke Skywalker was so well received and liked. It was good to see.

I think they probably get the memo that the ST wasn't going to be the continued adventures of Luke, Leia, and Han when the PT came out a decade before and didn't continue their adventures. Not to mention the constant trailers and promotion which very clearly showcased the new cast and didn't even feature Luke.

A portion of the fandom that is constructed of angry fanboys enjoyed the scene. Many fans of the Mandalorian himself (since it is his show and not the Skywalker show) rightfully complained that Luke's presence took away from the show that marketed itself as a new expansion into the SW universe past the Skywalkers, only to regress right back to that. And critics were very disappointed that SW revolved yet again. Not universally loved at all.

[jeangreyforever]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

I was excited to see TLJ and to see where the story went but didn’t get round to seeing it at The Cinema just when it was released on disc. But when it had finished I personally was disappointed. I said a few posts back that I’m happy if they like. I didn’t. I’m entitled to that opinion just as much as people who like it are. I didn’t hate all of it though. I liked the new characters even though they’re not a patch on the old crew. I didn’t mind the story around Luke, I just didn’t like the way Luke was. I’ll be honest I wanted to see him have a few more adventures and be a fully fledged Jedi Knight. But that’s just me. I didn’t get that and others who really like Luke didn’t get that. There’s nothing that can be done about it now but there’s nothing wrong with saying you didn’t like it for whatever reason. Like I said I’m for the fans that did like it. I don’t hate it. I’ve seen it twice but I don’t like it very much. I’m a Star Wars fan and I’ve accepted it before anybody says I haven’t but I just didn’t like it very much. To each their own I guess!

The problem with the bolded part is that the ST was never going to be about this. Not even when Lucas told Mark about his plans for a ST back in the 80s and said Luke would play the Obi-Wan mentor role. What you're looking for would be the material between ROTJ and TFA, such as Mando Season 2 which you seem to prefer.

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

Rian only made one SW film, JJ two!

Quantity doesn't mean anything lol. And Rian was confirmed as the first choice to do IX after Colin was fired. He said no because he couldn't work on it right after TLJ and needed more time that Iger was not willing to give him. Iger picked JJ because JJ didn't mind the time crunch, which is also one of the reasons he was hired for TFA, because he was one of the only directors willing to do the movie in the short amount of time Iger was giving.

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

There were lots of dark horrific moments in many of the films in the saga,some very grown up moments that kids shouldn’t see really. The franchise was ‘grown up’. It wasn’t just for kids, people of all ages watched it and enjoyed it.

When people say that TLJ helped SW grow up, they don't mean that the franchise was suddenly rated R or exclusively meant for adults with a mature outlook on life and should outgrow children. What they mean is that TLJ helped SW grow past the same stories we've seen over and over, particularly in the EU, which is the same core Skywalker characters at the center of the galaxy and everything revolving around them, typically some dark wizard with a massive superweapon. TLJ set the slate clean so that we could move past that but TROS ended up deciding it was more important to remake SW...yet again.

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

I was the one that said it’s not my Luke or Marks! You could have quoted me on that! I wouldn’t have minded. Lol.

I was in my early teens in 83 and never heard that Hamil had said that back then. That’s why I didn’t have an issue! Anyway Mark changed his mind obviously or forgot that he said that after all these years!

It’s not the Luke I knew and recognised from the original trilogy. I remember Luke from the original films not the stuff that didn’t make it into the film!

I'll keep that in mind next time but you'll probably be on a long waiting list

Let's just say it's a good thing Mark recognizes he isn't a writer, unlike Carrie who actually is a writer and helped write TLJ.

You're not supposed to recognize the Luke from the OT in the ST. There's a 30 year in-universe gap between ROTJ and TFA and nobody is exactly the same as they were in their early 20s all those decades later. The same way that Yoda in ROTS bears little in common with the Yoda we see in TESB after 20 years in-universe. Same with Obi-Wan.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

what? ROTJ is the one where many scenes have less true detail than even the old blu-ray, a few things even less than the DVD and where almost all very deep shadows are mush and the one where some scenes where fully de-grained, totally waxed over and the fully fake grained, the only one where a large radius smearing brush was accidentally dropped onto some frames in random spots, etc.

Yeah, I did notice a few instances of heavier DNR, but nothing approaching what I have seen compared to even worse releases like the UHD of T2 or the BD of Predator.

[stmhlm]

Does anyone know if the new 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio tracks for the remastered (Buena Vista) 1080p/2K discs are sourced and downmixed from the new Dolby Atmos mixes distributed with the 4K releases?

Or, are they based off the old 6.1 DTS-HD Master Audio mixes from 2011, just improved?

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by jeangreyforever

The problem with the bolded part is that the ST was never going to be about this. Not even when Lucas told Mark about his plans for a ST back in the 80s and said Luke would play the Obi-Wan mentor role. What you're looking for would be the material between ROTJ and TFA, such as Mando Season 2 which you seem to prefer.



Quantity doesn't mean anything lol. And Rian was confirmed as the first choice to do IX after Colin was fired. He said no because he couldn't work on it right after TLJ and needed more time that Iger was not willing to give him. Iger picked JJ because JJ didn't mind the time crunch, which is also one of the reasons he was hired for TFA, because he was one of the only directors willing to do the movie in the short amount of time Iger was giving.



When people say that TLJ helped SW grow up, they don't mean that the franchise was suddenly rated R or exclusively meant for adults with a mature outlook on life and should outgrow children. What they mean is that TLJ helped SW grow past the same stories we've seen over and over, particularly in the EU, which is the same core Skywalker characters at the center of the galaxy and everything revolving around them, typically some dark wizard with a massive superweapon. TLJ set the slate clean so that we could move past that but TROS ended up deciding it was more important to remake SW...yet again.


I'll keep that in mind next time but you'll probably be on a long waiting list

Let's just say it's a good thing Mark recognizes he isn't a writer, unlike Carrie who actually is a writer and helped write TLJ.

You're not supposed to recognize the Luke from the OT in the ST. There's a 30 year in-universe gap between ROTJ and TFA and nobody is exactly the same as they were in their early 20s all those decades later. The same way that Yoda in ROTS bears little in common with the Yoda we see in TESB after 20 years in-universe. Same with Obi-Wan.

It could have been though if a screenwriter had decided to go that route. But unfortunately for me and others it didn’t work out that way. I get that.

I was just correcting their maths nothing more.

I didn’t feel it needed to go in a different way. But there you go that’s just me.

Thanks.

Maybe not, don’t know if he’s ever written a script before. His ideas may have been good but we’ll never know.

Doesn’t mean everybody changes in that time. I’m still the same person I ever was just more experienced. I didn’t completely change my personality.

Anyway it is what it is and like I’ve said before even though I didn’t like TLJ much I’m not gonna loose sleep over it, I’m just chipping in to the discussion with my thoughts and feelings. I know a helluva lot of people don’t agree with me but that’s life!

Have a nice weekend.

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by jeangreyforever

I think they probably get the memo that the ST wasn't going to be the continued adventures of Luke, Leia, and Han when the PT came out a decade before and didn't continue their adventures. Not to mention the constant trailers and promotion which very clearly showcased the new cast and didn't even feature Luke.

A portion of the fandom that is constructed of angry fanboys enjoyed the scene. Many fans of the Mandalorian himself (since it is his show and not the Skywalker show) rightfully complained that Luke's presence took away from the show that marketed itself as a new expansion into the SW universe past the Skywalkers, only to regress right back to that. And critics were very disappointed that SW revolved yet again. Not universally loved at all.

That’s probably because the audience/fans knew the prequel was set many years before Luke was even born! Even when the trailer for TFA came out and it didn’t showcase Luke some fans must have thought his presence was being kept under wraps for a big reveal even though it didn’t happen right till the end.

I’m sure a portion of the SW fandom who aren’t fanboys as you put it enjoyed it aswell. Plenty of people at work I’ve spoken to enjoyed it. I’m sure it was well received from all the media and stories I saw and read. The feedback was good over here.

Oh well we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

I get ya but Anakin killing children is a complex issue. That asked a tough pertinent question. Just saying. Sorry if I upset you.

If you think child-murder is a "complex issue", you should probably be in some sort of institution.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by koberulz

If you think child-murder is a "complex issue", you should probably be in some sort of institution.

Pretty sure he's referring to the later "redemption" of Anakin.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by koberulz

If you think child-murder is a "complex issue", you should probably be in some sort of institution.

No, it isn’t complex as in whether it’s right or wrong but Anakin was in quite the state of mind then and there. He was full on evil and bowing to the every wish of his new master. His love for Padme and anger over his mother is a helluva 1-2 punch. Is killing kids brutal? Well, yeah. But in a fit of rage that’s what happened. Star Wars got pretty dark there and I loved it.

This saga doesn’t have be all Lifetime Network certified. It’s OK to do some shocking things. Kylo killing Han continued with this theme and I loved that too but they didn’t let Kylo kill Leia which they should have. The sissy paradigm took over and by the end of Rise, Kylo was a sappy mess. Then, the most lame kiss ever wrecked him completely. Oh well.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Yeah, I did notice a few instances of heavier DNR, but nothing approaching what I have seen compared to even worse releases like the UHD of T2 or the BD of Predator.

Yup. The UHD of ROTJ has been filtered and processed this way and that, but saying that some scenes are worse than the DVD is hyperbolic madness. I also don't get the black level complaints, it's far less crushed than the Blu-ray is.

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

No, it isn’t complex as in whether it’s right or wrong but Anakin was in quite the state of mind then and there. He was full on evil and bowing to the every wish of his new master. His love for Padme and anger over his mother is a helluva 1-2 punch. Is killing kids brutal? Well, yeah. But in a fit of rage that’s what happened. Star Wars got pretty dark there and I loved it.

Ah, yes, well, if the kids were wearing short skirts then what did they expect?

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by koberulz

Ah, yes, well, if the kids were wearing short skirts then what did they expect?

Huh? Its a movie. Take it eeeez.