Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K UHD (1977-2019)

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

She died of an OVERDOSE!
She's as stupid as the idiot from Hunger Games and Twister that died with a needle in his arm!
No sympathy for druggies!

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by stmhlm

What happened to this Buena Vista remaster, looks rather lifeless in terms of colors in some frames?

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...143207&i=4&l=0

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...143204&i=1&l=0


Seems like it was a simple 1-click BD-conversion from the 4K master:

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...143207&i=4&l=0

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...143204&i=1&l=0


Bah, couldn't they have bothered to at least check the colors quickly...

The colour is fine on the new transfers. The 2004/2011 ones are badly graded.

[stmhlm]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

The colour is fine on the new transfers. The 2004/2011 ones are badly graded.

Do you know anything about the new DTS-HD MA 7.1 tracks? Are they downmixed from the Atmos mixes?

[stmhlm]

Man, I have a hard time here...

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...143237&i=2&l=0

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by stmhlm

Man, I have a hard time here...

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...143237&i=2&l=0

Don't ever just judge a movie by their screen caps. Yes, capsoholic does a great job with screen shots of movies however, it doesn't look 100% like the film itself. The only way you can see that is actually watching it on your TV.

I will tell you that although it's not prefect, Return of the Jedi on 4K looks the best it ever has on home media releases. Could they have done a better job on it? Heck yes! But it's way better than the 2011 releases from FOX. That release of Return of the Jedi had some scenes having DVD quality, It was atrocious!

[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by PUsokrJosh305

Don't ever just judge a movie by their screen caps. Yes, capsoholic does a great job with screen shots of movies however, it doesn't look 100% like the film itself. The only way you can see that is actually watching it on your TV.

I will tell you that although it's not prefect, Return of the Jedi on 4K looks the best it ever has on home media releases. Could they have done a better job on it? Heck yes! But it's way better than the 2011 releases from FOX. That release of Return of the Jedi had some scenes having DVD quality, It was atrocious!

He is comparing two normal Blu-rays, the DE Remastered and the US.

[stmhlm]

@PUsokrJosh305,

I guess you are right, just somewhat baffled how they never seem to be able to get these 100% right.

Maybe they are? To me they just don't seem like it, watching these screenshots on a 45% NTSC laptop maybe isn't the best thing either.

I can easily tell that they could of done with some more saturation/colors, though. Maybe one day...


@Warm Gun, yeah, it's BD. vs BD here, so sRGB vs. sRGB, computers are quite able to reproduce that.

Btw, the DE remastered is the same as the 2020 2K release in US/UK too.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by stmhlm

Do you know anything about the new DTS-HD MA 7.1 tracks? Are they downmixed from the Atmos mixes?

As far as I know, they are, but I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by stmhlm

Man, I have a hard time here...

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...143237&i=2&l=0

The thing with the previous BD transfers, is that they're super cranked up.

The colour saturation and contrast are much higher than the original presentations.

The newer transfers are more accurate.

[stmhlm]

Thanks!

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by stmhlm

Thanks!

On top of that, the colour hues are completely different as well on the older transfers.

They have a very strong blue and magenta bias which was never there originally.

The issues with the newer transfers, is the DNR and EE.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by jeangreyforever

You can be angry about her death without being angry at her. I don't blame Carrie.

Type 1 Bipolar Disorder is a b**ch.

I don't have it personally, but I know people who do and it's horrible to witness.

It's been well documented that her abuse stemmed from living with that all her life. It's really tragic.

[stvn1974]

I have type 1 bipolar disorder and it is a b*tch. I have never had a drug problem but people cope in different ways.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by stmhlm

What happened to this Buena Vista remaster, looks rather lifeless in terms of colors in some frames?

Bah, couldn't they have bothered to at least check the colors quickly...

They did! The one thing they did do correctly was the colors! The old blu has fake colors that were nothing like the theatrical release. The colors on the new UHDs are as close as anyone at home as seen to the true theatrical colors.

Originally Posted by stmhlm

Man, I have a hard time here...

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...143237&i=2&l=0

The HDR to SDR conversion made that look a little odd, don't worry about it.
Well the DNR and stuff worry about, but not that slightly odd looking grading there that was just a strange SDR conversion.

[Nitroboy]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

On top of that, the colour hues are completely different as well on the older transfers.

They have a very strong blue and magenta bias which was never there originally.

The issues with the newer transfers, is the DNR and EE.

The colours are off on the "new" versions too.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Nitroboy

The colours are off on the "new" versions too.

Your basis for comparison?

[stmhlm]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

The HDR to SDR conversion made that look a little odd, don't worry about it.

Well the DNR and stuff worry about, but not that slightly odd looking grading there that was just a strange SDR conversion.

There is absolutely no HDR>SDR conversion involved in those screenshots, you are looking at two separate 2K blu-ray SDR BT.709 releases.

For reference: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-...lu-ray/262682/

BT.709 is the same thing as REC.709 or sRGB, so fully resolvable on a computer screen, in case you have a proper screen.

I would say the colors you are seeing on that website, IN THIS CASE, is what you'll see on the blu-ray, or very, very close to.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Nitroboy

The colours are off on the "new" versions too.

The color-grading is the best thing about the new transfers-- after the insanely bad grading of the Pink-Saber DVD set and the better but still off colors of the Blu-Ray versions, it feels like they finally got it right with the 4K remasters. Everything looks much more natural and even a lot of the old 1997 Special Edition enhancements blend into the image much better than I was used to in the previous editions. It's too bad about the overzealous grain-management, though.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by stmhlm

There is absolutely no HDR>SDR conversion involved in those screenshots, you are looking at two separate 2K blu-ray SDR BT.709 releases.

For reference: https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-...lu-ray/262682/

BT.709 is the same thing as REC.709 or sRGB, so fully resolvable on a computer screen, in case you have a proper screen.

I would say the colors you are seeing on that website, IN THIS CASE, is what you'll see on the blu-ray, or very, very close to.

OK thought he was comparing UHD to old blu-ray.
Anyway there probably still is an HDR->SDR conversion since quite a few studios haven't bothered with new SDR grades andhave just done new HDR grades and then had a computer quickly create SDR from that. That said, HDR wasn't too extreme on 4-6 so you wouldn't think it would end up too far off. I haven't checked out that scene yet, maybe it represents the UHD properly, maybe not.

[HeavyHitter]

I felt the colors, shadow, and dynamic range were very nice. The detail was beyond any version we've seen before (official or otherwise). It was the DNR and artifacts leftover from grain mgt that were the biggest issue. The EE, especially on Empire, was the second the biggest issue IMO but not nearly to the same magnitude as the DNR. However, these issues as a whole just makes them look more processed than otherwise.

[Rui]

has there been any word if they're planning a 4k box set for the original trilogy?

(can't seem to find anything via google search...)