Disney+'s - WandaVision (Season 1) - Page 103 - Blu-ray Forum

slumcat · 03-09-2021, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by John1701D

The more I think about it, the less I like the Peters/Bohner thing. It's just way too much wink wink fan service. Instead of pulling you further into the story it ends up pulling you out.

Can't change it but it would have been better if Bohner had been some Schmoe, Wanda would still have been like wtf this doesn't seem right.

Exactly. So the storyline is perfectly fine and makes total sense narratively.

It is the casting they screwed up.

Think about this - the casting completely changed the audience's reaction to this important plot point.

1. Cast Evan Peters as Bohner/Fake Pietro created by Agatha to dupe Wanda, the audience starts thinking - THIS IS THE MULTIVERSE! This is Fox X-men's entry into MCU. Magneto is going to show up. Xavier is going to show up. Deadpool is going to show up. ZOGMZ

2. Cast any other actor as Bohner/Fake Pietro created by Agatha to dupe Wanda, the audience starts thinking - This is how lonely and desperate and broken Wanda is that she would believe this unknown person is her brother. This is the depth of her grief and sadness. This is how much she is in need of a connection. This is how much she is longing to be near a loved one.

So what could be a poignant and devasting plot point turned into this parlor game of ridiculous fan theorizing.

And the showrunner said that her central theme WAS grief.

So she undercut her own theme by this fatal casting choice.

Grim Reaper · 03-09-2021, 11:17 PM

Thought this was in 4k? But, it says HD instead of 4k.

solarrdadd · 03-09-2021, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by John1701D

The more I think about it, the less I like the Peters/Bohner thing. It's just way too much wink wink fan service. Instead of pulling you further into the story it ends up pulling you out.

Can't change it but it would have been better if Bohner had been some Schmoe, Wanda would still have been like wtf this doesn't seem right.

John1701D · 03-09-2021, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by solarrdadd

mwynn · 03-10-2021, 12:28 AM

AnimalCMan · 03-10-2021, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by slumcat

Exactly. So the storyline is perfectly fine and makes total sense narratively.

It is the casting they screwed up.

Think about this - the casting completely changed the audience's reaction to this important plot point.

1. Cast Evan Peters as Bohner/Fake Pietro created by Agatha to dupe Wanda, the audience starts thinking - THIS IS THE MULTIVERSE! This is Fox X-men's entry into MCU. Magneto is going to show up. Xavier is going to show up. Deadpool is going to show up. ZOGMZ

2. Cast any other actor as Bohner/Fake Pietro created by Agatha to dupe Wanda, the audience starts thinking - This is how lonely and desperate and broken Wanda is that she would believe this unknown person is her brother. This is the depth of her grief and sadness. This is how much she is in need of a connection. This is how much she is longing to be near a loved one.

So what could be a poignant and devasting plot point turned into this parlor game of ridiculous fan theorizing.

And the showrunner said that her central theme WAS grief.

So she undercut her own theme by this fatal casting choice.

What makes it worse is when asked about it in an interview, Shakman said it was all about messing with Wanda and her confusion of thinking some random guy could be her brother. He basically admitted that it didn’t matter who they cast.

So yeah, I’d say any backlash on them for false expectations is pretty deserved, especially because this was just repeating the Mandarin fake out. Even worse, this reveal didn’t serve any narrative purpose like that did. In Iron Man 3, Tony is actually affected by the revealed fake Mandarin, while Wanda isn’t affected at all because she never even sees Fietro again after episode 6!

trevrox · 03-10-2021, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

I don't think the Marvel shows (pre Disney+ era) were ever canon. You should read up on Kevin Feige's thoughts on those shows. He either says he hasn't seen them, is not involved in making them (though admits Agent Carter is the closest), and avoids talking about them. Especially when he was asked about the Inhuman show. Kevin Feige basically said to the interviewer, sorry I can't hear you (jokingly of course), then he walks away.

Not this debate again.

All the Marvel TV shows - Agents of Shield, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Runaways, etc. etc. ARE canon until stated otherwise. We don't get to decide what is canon and what isn't because there wasn't any crossover. The official word of Disney/Marvel is still that these series are canon.

Yes, different logos aside. They are canon and it doesn't matter if we consider it that way or not.

CyberpunkCentral · 03-10-2021, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by trevrox

Not this debate again.

All the Marvel TV shows - Agents of Shield, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Runaways, etc. etc. ARE canon until stated otherwise. We don't get to decide what is canon and what isn't because there wasn't any crossover. The official word of Disney/Marvel is still that these series are canon.

Yes, different logos aside. They are canon and it doesn't matter if we consider it that way or not.

Then explain this...

[Show spoiler]

No, it's not just different logos. Those are two different studios. Meaning, Marvel Studios have nothing to do with those shows. Why do you thin WandaVision is the only Marvel show with the Marvel Studios logo instead of the regular Marvel Entertainment logo? Not to mention, Kevin Feige admiting he has nothing to do with the shows except for the Disney+ ones.

Farerb · 03-10-2021, 04:13 AM

I don't care if they are technically canon or not as long as I don't have to watch them in order to understand the films.

CyberpunkCentral · 03-10-2021, 04:15 AM

steve_dave · 03-10-2021, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Then explain this...

[Show spoiler]

...

Marvel can change designs, looks, and even story as they see fit. Thanos was not even Josh Brolin at the end of The Avengers.

slumcat · 03-10-2021, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AnimalCMan

What makes it worse is when asked about it in an interview, Shakman said it was all about messing with Wanda and her confusion of thinking some random guy could be her brother. He basically admitted that it didn’t matter who they cast.

So yeah, I’d say any backlash on them for false expectations is pretty deserved, especially because this was just repeating the Mandarin fake out. Even worse, this reveal didn’t serve any narrative purpose like that did. In Iron Man 3, Tony is actually affected by the revealed fake Mandarin, while Wanda isn’t affected at all because she never even sees Fietro again after episode 6!

Basically this. Stunts are justifiable only when they advance the story.

In this case, they could have cast anyone and the story worked, so casting Evan Peters did not serve the story or advance the story being told in any way.

Hence, questionable casting choice.

CyberpunkCentral · 03-10-2021, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by steve_dave

Marvel can change designs, looks, and even story as they see fit. Thanos was not even Josh Brolin at the end of The Avengers.

Difference is, the fake infinity gauntlet was addressed. The darkhole doesn't. Also Thanos is a CGI character, so it's not like the casual audience can tell.

steve_dave · 03-10-2021, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Difference is, the fake infinity gauntlet was addressed. The darkhole doesn't. Also Thanos is a CGI character, so it's not like the casual audience can tell.

You are talking about a prop while...

is certainly a difference in looks and actor. Like how they had to make Ross Marquand look close to Hugo Weaving’s Red Skull but just not quite.

CyberpunkCentral · 03-10-2021, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by steve_dave

You are talking about a prop while...

[Show spoiler]

is certainly a difference in looks and actor. Like how they had to make Ross Marquand look close to Hugo Weaving’s Red Skull but just not quite.

Point? I'm just saying, replacing a CGI actor is not the same as replacing an actor like Robert Downey Jr, Chris Evans, or a Chris Hemsworth in their Marvel roles.

XavierTheaterPotato · 03-10-2021, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AnimalCMan

What makes it worse is when asked about it in an interview, Shakman said it was all about messing with Wanda and her confusion of thinking some random guy could be her brother. He basically admitted that it didn’t matter who they cast.

Precisely. If it didn't matter who they casted, Then why cast Evan Peters as the fake Pietro other than to bait us? A big "F you" that's why, cause he's a Bohner Joke. Forever Lame, wasted Evan Peters' Talent.

steve_dave · 03-10-2021, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Point? I'm just saying, replacing a CGI actor is not the same as replacing an actor like Robert Downey Jr, Chris Evans, or a Chris Hemsworth in their Marvel roles.

You’re picking nits as you seem to do in a lot of other posts.

CyberpunkCentral · 03-10-2021, 04:52 AM

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You’re picking nits as you seem to do in a lot of other posts.

Yet, you somehow took the discussion from darkhole (which is on topic) to Thanos' look.

jeangreyforever · 03-10-2021, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AnimalCMan

This seems to be the exception. It was created by the writers of the Captain America and later Avengers films. It was pushed into existence by Louis D'Esposito who is still one of the big three at Marvel Studios. Feige is listed as an Executive Producer. However, so is Jeph Loeb and he was still the Marvel TV overlord at the time (and likely responsible for the majority of the poor decisions made).

Also it's the only show acknowledged in the MCU films by having characters from it (Peggy, Howard Stark, and Jarvis--who was eventually featured in Endgame).

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Agent Carter is the only series where a character (Jarvis) is originated and shows up in the movies.

Thank you everyone, I forgot about Jarvis appearing in Endgame. I didn't realize the writers of Captain America were involved in Agent Carter but that explains the quality of the show as well as why Peggy herself wasn't portrayed OOC.

jeangreyforever · 03-10-2021, 05:05 AM

I never expected the casting of Evan Peters as Faux Pietro to be anything besides a meta wink to the audience, especially since his Quicksilver became more beloved than ATJ's Quicksilver to general audiences (not that ATJ was ever given much chance to shine with only one movie). The idea of the FoX-Men invading the MCU filled me with dread so I'm glad this has been debunked once and for all.

03-09-2021, 11:17 PM	#2042
Grim Reaper Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Let Me In! 4K collection:499 Blu-ray collection:2022 DVD collection:25 Trading Score:13	Thought this was in 4k? But, it says HD instead of 4k.

03-10-2021, 04:13 AM	#2049
Farerb Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Oct 2018 4K collection:93 Blu-ray collection:216 DVD collection:71 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	I don't care if they are technically canon or not as long as I don't have to watch them in order to understand the films.

03-10-2021, 05:05 AM	#2060
jeangreyforever Blu-ray Guru Member since:Apr 2014 Location:United States 4K collection:31 Blu-ray collection:134 Digital collection:267 Trading Score:3	I never expected the casting of Evan Peters as Faux Pietro to be anything besides a meta wink to the audience, especially since his Quicksilver became more beloved than ATJ's Quicksilver to general audiences (not that ATJ was ever given much chance to shine with only one movie). The idea of the FoX-Men invading the MCU filled me with dread so I'm glad this has been debunked once and for all.

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