Back to the Future Trilogy 4K UHD (1985-1990)

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Cognoscente

If you think that's bad, Michael J. Fox claimed that they spent 9 weeks with Eric Stoltz. Fox said this when he was interviewed alongside Lloyd and Thompson on The Today Show back in 2015.

More than one person has claimed that BTTF was almost completely shot with Eric as Marty. Much of the film was re-done. Only certain scenes that did not include Marty directly or have interactive cutaways were from the initial filming (a couple quick reverse angle shots appear to be of Eric as it is). They pretty much filmed the movie twice. That's not something filmmakers or producers would easily admit to doing. It makes everyone look bad.

[Cognoscente]

In Hong Kong, a similar situation had happened. In 2007, Edison Chen starred in a film called Jump but all of his scenes had to be reshot after his 2008 sex scandal.

[BenjaminG]

Originally Posted by Cognoscente

In Hong Kong, a similar situation had happened. In 2007, Edison Chen starred in a film called Jump but all of his scenes had to be reshot after his 2008 sex scandal.

Smaller scale, but All the Money in the World.

[Tober27]

Originally Posted by BenjaminG

Smaller scale, but All the Money in the World.

Tig Notaro in Army of the Dead.

[The80s]

They should release the Stoltz Cut as a bonus. We all know about it. Let us see it.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by The80s

They should release the Stoltz Cut as a bonus. We all know about it. Let us see it.

If the filmmakers and producers felt it would put people in a bad light, they won't release it. Plus, then they would probably have to pay Stoltz some sort of extra fee less they come up against SAG union rule issues.

[Cognoscente]

Predator also counts. Arnold dropped this bombshell in his autobiography: "Nobody realized that the creature footage couldn't be fixed until we were all back from Mexico and the film was in the editing room. Finally, the producers decided to hire Stan Winston to do a redesign and rearranged to send us back down to Palenque to reshoot the climactic confrontation."

There is a Hong Kong parody of Back to the Future III where they shot two versions with a different leading lady. When Wong Jing was making God of Gamblers III: Back to Shanghai, he found that the film couldn't be released in Taiwan if Gong Li was in it since there was a rule which stated that any film with a Mainland Chinese actor would be banned outright. He didn't fire her; he just chose to film a separate version for Taiwanese audiences.

[Tober27]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If the filmmakers and producers felt it would put people in a bad light, they won't release it. Plus, then they would probably have to pay Stoltz some sort of extra fee less they come up against SAG issues.

I don't think it'll happen, but absolutely pay Stoltz if doing it. It'd be great if he were involved, and could jovially look back. Otherwise it feels like everyone talking and pointing behind his back.

[Tober27]

[QUOTE=Cognoscente;18905966]Predator also counts. Arnold dropped this bombshell in his autobiography: "Nobody realized that the creature footage couldn't be fixed until we were all back from Mexico and the film was in the editing room. Finally, the producers decided to hire Stan Winston to do a redesign and rearranged to send us back down to Palenque to reshoot the climactic confrontation."

So that's when the film was finished? Not a Van Damme thing?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Cognoscente

Predator also counts. Arnold dropped this bombshell in his autobiography: "Nobody realized that the creature footage couldn't be fixed until we were all back from Mexico and the film was in the editing room. Finally, the producers decided to hire Stan Winston to do a redesign and rearranged to send us back down to Palenque to reshoot the climactic confrontation."

Plus, all the inbetween reveal shots of the Predator after its camouflage malfunctioned prior to the final battle. Those also used the Stan Winston Studios creature redesign. Easier to reshoot those because there were no other actors required.

[The Edge]

Alright, after about 6 months or so I’m back in this thread, to see if anybody is talking smack about the transfer… lol

Any criticism about it this time?

[Cognoscente]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

Plus, all the inbetween reveal shots of the Predator after its camouflage malfunctioned prior to the final battle. Those also used the Stan Winston Studios creature redesign. Easier to reshoot those because there were no other actors required.

The American Film Institute site alludes to this by noting that, after the costume change, the bulk of the new shoot (minus pick-up shots) revolved around the final battle between Dutch and the Predator.

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

"Principal photography began November 26, 1984, on a 22-week schedule" <-----

The shooting schedule was planned for 120+ days before starting principle photography, 6 weeks of filming (if it was every day) is only 42 days. What on Earth are people talking about stating nearly the entire footage of Eric scenes were shot? They are just lying, misremembering, or have some weird agenda to frame the story against The Bob's and studio. In Glover's case, I'd say it's A and C combined.

Maybe a bunch of dialogue location scenes were done but these facts about the production and what certain actors are saying don't make sense.

I'm not sure where you got that quote from but it must be a typo that should read 12 weeks, not 22. According to the Visual History book that Martydmc12 linked to, the shoot was scheduled to end on February 28th.

[The80s]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If the filmmakers and producers felt it would put people in a bad light, they won't release it. Plus, then they would probably have to pay Stoltz some sort of extra fee less they come up against SAG union rule issues.

Why would it put anyone in a bad light? I'm sure they could negotiate a fee, and once the hype started going people would be begging to see it.

They've already talked about it ad-nauseum and shown us clips of it. So I say just negotiate a realistic fee for Stoltz and then give us the alternate cut. No doubt a vast majority of BTTF fans would buy it. That's a nice chunk of change for the studio.

But certainly what it comes down to is Zemeckis and Gale don't want it out there. The movie we have is the movie they intend so they will make sure to keep the Stoltz Cut buried. Just like they will keep BTTF 4 from ever happening. (In this day and age I am glad for that but I would have loved a Part 4 back in the late 90s or early 2000s)

[Cognoscente]

Tim Burchett (a director of commercials) had an amusing anecdote about 2010: "I was searching the Universal vault for archive footage to be used for a documentary that I was working on. I had a meeting with the lady in charge of Universal’s vault. You can bet that I asked about the Stoltz footage. This was a month after the Blu-Rays were announced. She wouldn’t directly give me an answer but implied they were waiting to see if Stoltz had some kind of career resurgence or perhaps passes away, before they allow that full footage released to the public."

[Gold Ranger]

Morbid...

[nick4Knight]

Originally Posted by Cognoscente

If you think that's bad, Michael J. Fox claimed that they spent 9 weeks with Eric Stoltz. Fox said this when he was interviewed alongside Lloyd and Thompson on The Today Show back in 2015.

Okay. Actors misremembering is completely common. 7 week gap between both actors first shooting day? That's what wikipedia says. Backed up by citation. It's all still nowhere near 22 weeks.... 7 or 22 is less than 1/3 of the shooting schedule. So no one is coming with an account that makes logical sense to the assertion and speculation Stoltz almost completed his scenes.

Maybe they mean he did a good chunk of dialogue for all those scenes we see evidence of him being in (stills), but wheres the action and higher budget segments of the film w/ him as Mcfly? Why is every single shot of him in a dialogue scene with someone hes playing against? Hmmm could be to make the production costs less intensive while he's there AND you get all the other cast reverses done on the front end of production... Thus cutting way down on if you need to fire your lead after 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 weeks because you can make the case to the guy who insisted on hiring him with a lot of varied 'footage' of the miscasting in the edit

Smart cookies they were.

[1924]

Why would they release the Stoltz footage? That would disrespectful to Michael J Fox and they would have to pay Stoltz a decent sum no doubt

[Cognoscente]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

Why is every single shot of him in a dialogue scene with someone hes playing against? Hmmm could be to make the production costs less intensive while he's there AND you get all the other cast reverses done on the front end of production... Thus cutting way down on if you need to fire your lead after 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 weeks because you can make the case to the guy who insisted on hiring him with a lot of varied 'footage' of the miscasting in the edit

Smart cookies they were.

They were crafty. In 1985, The Philadelphia Inquirer reported a rumour that had been floating around about Stoltz being a scapegoat because several key shots were bungled early on in the shooting.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

equally large scale as BTTF.... Solo (like with BTFF it also turned out great after a re-shoot)

equally large scale as BTTF as well, but re-shot to much, much lesser degree.... Rogue One (also turned out great after re-shoot)