article: The Hd-dvd Format Now Has More Titles Then The Blu-ray Format

[Blue]

Lets separate the fact and the fud. I have been using DVDUniverse since last year as the reference. They only list when they have word from the studios that a release is on the way 355 HD-DUD vs 406 Blu-ray
There are a few anomalies in there (caused by Paramount) and they have not included the FOX releases, so take the 40 Paramount titles away and add the FOX and Blu-ray is still well ahead (future confirmed releases are included in both), but please don't let a few relevant balanced supportable stats get in the road of some good old fashioned FUD for HD-DUD.

[Smackos]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

This comment really has no relation to the number of titles though. Sales are really going to be driven mainly by the number of potential customers first and then titles second.

The only way the margine would change is if HD DVD got more players on the market.

Hense the idiotic arguement that PS 3 owners don't count by Toshiba..

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by Smackos

^^^

Hense the idiotic arguement that PS 3 owners don't count by Toshiba.. glad you agree with that..

I don't think Toshiba has ever said they don't count, they just choose not to include them in certain statistics.

You can't argue that having the PS3 also be a blu-ray player hasn't muddied the statistics though - there's no way around it. Not everyone single player is used for movies, but many are.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by groovyone

What's your argument? Cheap Players?

Exactly...how's the "cheap players" argument doing for you now HD Rider? Ya know, given that Blu-ray has thumped HD DVD all year long.

As long as the BDA keeps its price of players in close parity to their HD DVD counterparts, more consumers will flock to Blu-ray with brands like Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Sharp, Philips, LG, and Samsung rather than a brand like Toshiba and...oh wait,...no one else.

Never underestimate a good brand, especially in electronics. Unless you have a substatiative agrument of how Brand X chinese HD DVD player will somehow conquer all existing and trusted brand names of the BDA. Otherwise, I say shut your pie hole HD Rider, and troll somewhere else. So what is your argument?...We're waiting to smack you down.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by Blue

Lets separate the fact and the fud. I have been using DVDUniverse since last year as the reference. They only list when they have word from the studios that a release is on the way 355 HD-DUD vs 406 Blu-ray
There are a few anomalies in there (caused by Paramount) and they have not included the FOX releases, so take the 40 Paramount titles away and add the FOX and Blu-ray is still well ahead (future confirmed releases are included in both), but please don't let a few relevant balanced supportable stats get in the road of some good old fashioned FUD for HD-DUD.

Well said. Kudos.

[Smackos]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

I don't think Toshiba has ever said they don't count, they just choose not to include them in certain statistics.

You can't argue that having the PS3 also be a blu-ray player hasn't muddied the statistics though - there's no way around it. Not everyone single player is used for movies, but many are.

Lol.. exactly.. If you don't mention them.. they don't exist..

It certainly has muddied the waters a bit but it's also made the waters a whole lot bigger...

[shatta]

they can have 5 million releases..i dont spend money on movies that makes less than $5,000,000 domestic....which accounts for about 105 of HD-DVD movies ...blu ray has the best movies anyway

think of it this was..
at restaurant u get a small serving of caviar
and heeps of fries
why, caviar is quality shit....
blu ray= caviar
HD-DVD= fries

[SNAP]

He's entitled to be on any forum he wants......no need to bash him. I belong to both camps so should I dump this and the HDDVD forum for AVS?
I noticed that on this side we're a little rough on the Reds than the Reds are on the Blues on their side.............If we're winning, we should be gracious winners.

Originally Posted by Balquin

I find it humorous that at a site called "bluray.com" has people from the red camp coming in and being trolls. What, they don't have a good resource for themselves to gloat over how they are going to lose? LOL This is a BD site! If you love red so much, find some place else to go! Cause really, if you like to go to both, that's what AVS is for.

[jermwhl]

Originally Posted by Smackos

Lol.. exactly.. If you don't mention them.. they don't exist..

It certainly has muddied the waters a bit but it's also made the waters a whole lot bigger...

Yea, its lame. I would say (just an educated guess) that a higher percentage of PS3 owners use their system as a BD player (whether exclusive BD use or as a secondary) than those that do not.

They need to include if not all, a certain percentage in thier numbers. I know I use my PS3 almost exclusively (90%BD 10%everything else) and i've read most others [on here] do the same thing.

[CptGreedle]

Well just cause they are "out-of-print" does not mean that they are not available.
I just got 3 Paramount BDs this week!
Not to mention, the technology is still there and they can just start using it again once they realize how dumb they have been and go neutral again.

[jermwhl]

Originally Posted by SNAP

He's entitled to be on any forum he wants......no need to bash him. I belong to both camps so should I dump this and the HDDVD forum for AVS?
I noticed that on this side we're a little rough on the Reds than the Reds are on the Blues on their side.............If we're winning, we should be gracious winners.

Not bashing because he supports HD-DVD, bashing because he claims the sales ratio of 2:1 is a lame argument. He stoked the fire.....and then took off! That's what trolls do!

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by SNAP

He's entitled to be on any forum he wants......no need to bash him. I belong to both camps so should I dump this and the HDDVD forum for AVS?
I noticed that on this side we're a little rough on the Reds than the Reds are on the Blues on their side.............If we're winning, we should be gracious winners.

And likewise, when they're losing they ought to be gracious losers as well...but I don't see that happening either, especially over at AVS.

I understand where you are coming from, but everyone who is entitled to forum membership, must also put up a substantiative arugment other than calling forum members "babies" lest they get smacked down.

BTW, thanks for contributing to the perpetual stagnation of the high-def market by belonging to both camps <insert thumbs up>.

All kidding aside, I simply think we need more intellectual conversation coming from those with dissenting opinions other than simple flaimbait.

[dmunjal]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Exactly...how's the "cheap players" argument doing for you now HD Rider? Ya know, given that Blu-ray has thumped HD DVD all year long.

As long as the BDA keeps its price of players in close parity to their HD DVD counterparts, more consumers will flock to Blu-ray with brands like Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Sharp, Philips, LG, and Samsung rather than a brand like Toshiba and...oh wait,...no one else.

Never underestimate a good brand, especially in electronics. Unless you have a substatiative agrument of how Brand X chinese HD DVD player will somehow conquer all existing and trusted brand names of the BDA. Otherwise, I say shut your pie hole HD Rider, and troll somewhere else. So what is your argument?...We're waiting to smack you down.

I know Toshiba is selling more players than all the other Blu-Ray brands combined. As long as the OVERALL number of Blu-Ray players (including PS3) keeps increasing faster than Toshiba's sales, Blu-Ray will always have more players and therefore more software sales.

[WickyWoo]

don't think Toshiba has ever said they don't count, they just choose not to include them in certain statistics.

You can't argue that having the PS3 also be a blu-ray player hasn't muddied the statistics though - there's no way around it. Not everyone single player is used for movies, but many are.

They choose not to include them in certain statistics that would be inconvienient for them

The PS3 is a standalone Blu-ray player. It has sold what, 5 million units now? Therefore, Toshiba has been outsold by PS3 alone over 5-1.

Whether or not those people are buying movies is irrelevant. The decks are in those homes and they CAN buy movies. Does everyone order PPV just because they have a cable box? No, but they still count that when trying to sell companies on their PPV services.

[SNAP]

That's another story.......lol.

Originally Posted by jermwhl

Not bashing because he supports HD-DVD, bashing because he claims the sales ratio of 2:1 is a lame argument. He stoked the fire.....and then took off! That's what trolls do!

[SNAP]

I havent met many gracious losers in my day.......a gracious loser seems to be one who accepts it.
His arguement seemed to be based more on emotion about being down 2-1 than any cogent thinking. He did deserve to get spanked for the BABIES comment.

As for owning both players (A20 & Sony 300), the A20 was a B-day present and the Sony was a spiff as I work in the industry....So there

Originally Posted by marzetta7

And likewise, when they're losing they ought to be gracious losers as well...but I don't see that happening either, especially over at AVS.

I understand where you are coming from, but everyone who is entitled to forum membership, must also put up a substantiative arugment other than calling forum members "babies" lest they get smacked down.

BTW, thanks for contributing to the perpetual stagnation of the high-def market by belonging to both camps <insert thumbs up>.

All kidding aside, I simply think we need more intellectual conversation coming from those with dissenting opinions other than simple flaimbait.

[msallaq]

Originally Posted by HD Rider

You people stuck on 2:1 sound like a bunch of babies..its like your argument that have against the HD folks..and its weak at that

someone should bann this HD DUD fanboy

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by HD Rider

You people stuck on 2:1 sound like a bunch of babies..its like your argument that have against the HD folks..and its weak at that

Weak? Outselling HD-DVD by 100%...how can anyone say this is a weak arguement? Do you even comprehend how many companies would love to outsell their competitors on a 2:1 basis?

[SNAP]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.........no matter how wrong it is.

[msallaq]

Originally Posted by SNAP

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.........no matter how wrong it is.

tell me how is he telling he's won opinion when he's talking shit by calling us a bunch of babies?