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Old 05-12-2009, 04:40 PM   #1
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There's been a lot of praise for Wolverine even though they may have taken some liberties, they did alright by the comic books, so I hear. ST on the other hand has received much scrutiny, even though due to the storyline, there is no longer any obligation to stick to any formula or story elements. IMO, that's why the movie and story were so awesome. Which movies or television shows do you all think have been most faithful to what they are based upon? And for that matter, who screwed their respective franchises up with sacrilige?
300 and Sin City. I haven't seen Watchmen but I believe that one
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Wolverine sucked, nowhere close to the source material.
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Lord of the Rings 1-3 and Star Wars 1-6.
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Old 05-12-2009, 04:48 PM   #3
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Lord of the Rings 1-3 and Star Wars 1-6.
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well Star Wars would not count since the books were only done to complement the movies.

LOTR is a interesting choice. Hardcore fans will tell anyone that too much was change or was left out of the movies. I personaly would not call myself a hardcore fan even if I do read the books once a year now for the past 30 years. I was ok with what they did in the movies. Too much in the books would not have made sense to add in the movies.

One example is having Arwen find Aragorn and the Hobbits instead of Glorfindel. In the movie it did not make much sense having him appeared there for the few minutes needed and never seeing him again in the movies. Sometimes changes are needed
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Well, I wouldn't say that. I think Jackson and company tried to stay "true" to the spirit of Tolkien and adapt the screenplay as best as the could to the books (which were exceptionally hard to make into a cohesive movie). However, Tolkien would probably be turning over in his grave if he could have seen how Faramir was depicted, the army of elves at Helm's Deep, Gandalf's refusal to go through Moria unless it was absolutely necessary, Frodo sending Sam home, the army of the dead fighting at Minas Tirith, Elrond showing up at Dunharrow, Arwen rescuing Frodo, Frodo and the other hobbits constantly falling down, etc.
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well Star Wars would not count since the books were only done to complement the movies.

LOTR is a interesting choice. Hardcore fans will tell anyone that too much was change or was left out of the movies. I personaly would not call myself a hardcore fan even if I do read the books once a year now for the past 30 years. I was ok with what they did in the movies. Too much in the books would not have made sense to add in the movies.

One example is having Arwen find Aragorn and the Hobbits instead of Glorfindel. In the movie it did not make much sense having him appeared there for the few minutes needed and never seeing him again in the movies. Sometimes changes are needed
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Well, I wouldn't say that. I think Jackson and company tried to stay "true" to the spirit of Tolkien and adapt the screenplay as best as the could to the books (which were exceptionally hard to make into a cohesive movie). However, Tolkien would probably be turning over in his grave if he could have seen how Faramir was depicted, the army of elves at Helm's Deep, Gandalf's refusal to go through Moria unless it was absolutely necessary, Frodo sending Sam home, the army of the dead fighting at Minas Tirith, Elrond showing up at Dunharrow, Arwen rescuing Frodo, Frodo and the other hobbits constantly falling down, etc.
I read "The Hobbit" and am nearly finished with "Fellowship of the Ring" book and am I wrong or didn't Frodo live in the Shire for 50 years AFTER Bilbo left? Making Frodo about 58 years old when he starts his quest to destroy the ring? Not right after Bilbo's party. I think I remember that correctly... havn't picked up the book in a few months now as I find it hard to read J. R. R. Tolkein's work...
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I read "The Hobbit" and am nearly finished with "Fellowship of the Ring" book and am I wrong or didn't Frodo live in the Shire for 50 years AFTER Bilbo left? Making Frodo about 58 years old when he starts his quest to destroy the ring? Not right after Bilbo's party. I think I remember that correctly... havn't picked up the book in a few months now as I find it hard to read J. R. R. Tolkein's work...
I think it was something like 17 years after Bilbo left that Frodo left the Shire with Sam.
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I read "The Hobbit" and am nearly finished with "Fellowship of the Ring" book and am I wrong or didn't Frodo live in the Shire for 50 years AFTER Bilbo left? Making Frodo about 58 years old when he starts his quest to destroy the ring? Not right after Bilbo's party. I think I remember that correctly...
I am one of the weird people who read LotR every year (just getting ready to start again next week). When the Fellowship of the Ring begins, Frodo will be 33 and Bilbo will be 111 at "The Long-Expected Party". Bilbo disappears at the party and Frodo leaves the Shire 17 years later at age 50 to begin the journey to destroy the ring.
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300 and Sin City. I haven't seen Watchmen but I believe that one
s very close to the source material.

Wolverine sucked, nowhere close to the source material.
Don't know enough about Sin City but yes 300 & Watchmen were very close to the source
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How about Watchmen? Those graphic novels are like storyboards ready to be used.

As far as I can remember (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) "DUNE" (from 1984) was TOO faithful to its source, and tried to translate everything into the movie. Which shows that sometimes you are better off doing an adaptation of the book, not a literal translation.
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How about Watchmen? Those graphic novels are like storyboards ready to be used.

As far as I can remember (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) "DUNE" (from 1984) was TOO faithful to its source, and tried to translate everything into the movie. Which shows that sometimes you are better off doing an adaptation of the book, not a straight translation.
Depend I guess how you see it. Having read Dune countless time I never felt like the movie was close to what I imagine in the books IMO. I like the movie but never tought it was a very close adaptation of the book.
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Actually the Dune mini-series is my favourite mini-series of all-time, even if it is 4.5 hours long.
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300 for sure.
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Depend I guess how you see it. Having read Dune countless time I never felt like the movie was close to what I imagine in the books IMO. I like the movie but never tought it was a very close adaptation of the book.
Ok, thanks. Maybe I was remembering wrong. I read the book long ago. I do remember though that the movie tried to present too much information, hence the confusion.
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Ok, thanks. Maybe I was remembering wrong. I read the book long ago. I do remember though that the movie tried to present too much information, hence the confusion.
Like someone mention above, the mini series from 6 or 7 years ago is actualy very good. It does a better job at showing the characters to the way I think they should be. But it's not a easy book to translate to a movie, frank Herbert was a very complicated writer.
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Has anyone here read From Hell to compare to the movie? I've read League of Extra ordinary Gentlemen, and that was a horrible adaptation.

Watchmen was done very well, I preferred the movie ending to the novel.
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The Hills Have Eyes (2006) is pretty faithful to the 1977 version except that the mutated freaks in 2006 were inbred freaks in 1977.

RZ's Halloween is an insult the Carpenters 1978 original.

LOTR trilogy is pretty faithful to the books as was The DaVinci Code.

While Stanley Kubrick's version of the Shining took some liberties with Stephen Kings book those liberties improved to overall story. There are just some things in the book that would not have translated well in the film version. Just watch the made for TV version and you'll see what I mean.
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