Terminator 2: Judgment Day 4K UHD (1991)

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Ill_Be_Back

I expect plenty of CGI revisions for the new 4K release if it ever happens. Though as jarring as they are I am used to it at this point.

For "Perfectionist" Cameron and the budget (plus coming off T2 and the work there) it's sloppy work.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Ill_Be_Back

I wouldn't be against the face replacements but I wouldn't complain if it wasn't done either. The opening scene especially is the worst.

I want the original version, but if he was going to "Fix" any movie it would be the one thst needed it most

[lgans316]

I really wish James Cameron takes a break from Avatar and supervises 4K remastering of his films. We fans can assure that we won't disturb you until you release Avatar Season 29 Episode 1138.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

I want the original version, but if he was going to "Fix" any movie it would be the one thst needed it most

So I guess every filmmaker wanting to alter their films needs to consult you before doing so, so that you can deem it worthy or not?

[Ill_Be_Back]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

For "Perfectionist" Cameron and the budget (plus coming off T2 and the work there) it's sloppy work.

I do see a resemblance.

[Poya]

This movie came out 3 decades ago? No way.

[mjvmovieman]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

For "Perfectionist" Cameron and the budget (plus coming off T2 and the work there) it's sloppy work.

I don't think those stunt double face shots are quite as visible in the original theatrical color timing. True Lies was originally that darker blue that T2 used to be. But I could be wrong.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by mjvmovieman

I don't think those stunt double face shots are quite as visible in the original theatrical color timing. True Lies was originally that darker blue that T2 used to be. But I could be wrong.

Lies was dark in 35mm (most 90s prints have a lot of black crush), I have seen it a few times but I saw wiggy clear as day even in the cinema day one

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Lies was dark in 35mm (most 90s prints have a lot of black crush), I have seen it a few times but I saw wiggy clear as day even in the cinema day one

It's true. I actually do remember the doubling being obvious at the cinema. The snow chase and the horse chase were/are the most obvious scenes.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Markgway

It's true. I actually do remember the doubling being obvious at the cinema. The snow chase and the horse chase were/are the most obvious scenes.

It's kind of like the classic James Bond films, though. The doubles were often noticeable, but the dangerous stunts (the prologue before the title sequence being the highlight event normally) were the point, not that it looked like the actor was doing them or not. Audiences weren't that shook up back then as they are now.

[Richard Graham]

Nothing really new or mind blowing, but a solid read:

https://www.theringer.com/movies/202...2-oral-history

[Christian Muth]

This part from that oral history kills me:

"Cameron: I remember sitting there once, high on E, writing notes for Terminator, and I was struck by Sting’s song, that “I hope the Russians love their children too.” And I thought, “You know what? The idea of a nuclear war is just so antithetical to life itself.” That’s where the kid came from."

Now I can't get the image of James Cameron dancing around wildly with glow sticks at a rave out of my head.

Chris

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by panasonicst60

That's not Aronld, that's Peter Kent his stunt double.

It's just a small scene that lasts for 2 seconds. Unnoticeable. The stunt work for T2 is very "hideous", well covered.

[VIDEOgameDROME]

Originally Posted by Markgway

It's true. I actually do remember the doubling being obvious at the cinema. The snow chase and the horse chase were/are the most obvious scenes.

It's odd but in the many times I watched it I've never noticed his double. If it ever comes to 4K I'll probably see it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

It's kind of like the classic James Bond films, though. The doubles were often noticeable, but the dangerous stunts (the prologue before the title sequence being the highlight event normally) were the point, not that it looked like the actor was doing them or not. Audiences weren't that shook up back then as they are now.

But most dangerous stunts were, by definition, filmed from a distance and/or from angles where you can’t see their face (like the shot behind Bond as he leaps off the dam in GoldenEye, which then cuts to - you’ve guessed it - a VERY long distance away) so you just have to get someone who vaguely resembles the actor. But Cameron got the cameras right in there on True Lies and fookin hell, it’s always been a shambles in those scenes. The guy in the snow just doesn’t look anything like Arnold, and the hilarious thing about the horse rider later on in the movie is that he looks more like a beefy Robert Patrick than Arnie. Wrong film Jimbo!

Yesh, obvious stunt people are obvious throughout film history but most of the time they get away with it or at least try to cut around it, True Lies however feels like an old episode of Star Trek at times, i.e. when Kirk would start fighting someone and it cuts to the wide shot it’s so blatantly not Shatner any more, which was visible to me even on an old 14” TV like 30 years ago. Movies tend to have a bit more artistry about them than the more prosaic needs of weekly television but even then there are some legendarily bad examples in classic movies which have bugged people for years e.g. Zhora’s stunt double in Blade Runner (the dodgy wig + slow motion = nowhere to hide). At least that one got sorted out.

[jeremycarrier]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

Considering the 4K of Blade Runner was a shitjob (go read the review), it would only be a lateral move from the current 4K of T2.

Its hard to take this website seriously when ya'll say stuff like this

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But most dangerous stunts were, by definition, filmed from a distance and/or from angles where you can’t see their face (like the shot behind Bond as he leaps off the dam in GoldenEye, which then cuts to - you’ve guessed it - a VERY long distance away) so you just have to get someone who vaguely resembles the actor. But Cameron got the cameras right in there on True Lies and fookin hell, it’s always been a shambles in those scenes. The guy in the snow just doesn’t look anything like Arnold, and the hilarious thing about the horse rider later on in the movie is that he looks more like a beefy Robert Patrick than Arnie. Wrong film Jimbo!

I watched True Lies a few years ago and that horse scene is so bad and obvious, even on the ancient DVD. On UHD it would be like a pie to the face.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by jeremycarrier

Its hard to take this website seriously when ya'll say stuff like this

Compared to the old BD set, and the compression it was a shit job

[jerclay]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Compared to the old BD set, and the compression it was a shit job

No, it wasn’t.

[guile]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

Considering the 4K of Blade Runner was a shitjob (go read the review), it would only be a lateral move from the current 4K of T2.

Shitjob? You talking about the VHS? The 4K Blade Runner looks spectacular!

Below taken directly from the review:

"Compared to the dated Blu-ray, Blade Runner's UHD presentation can't help but look better, but it's more than better—it's astonishing."