Disney+'s - Loki (Season 2)

[Guy87]

Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

There are TRILLIONS of alternate universes.
The TVA agency is formed by 200 or 300 people.
Impossible.

ALSO, the Back Guy (Kang) defends the "sacred timeline" and manages to make it "SECURED"/SEALED from any attempt to being visited by interdimensional counterparts.
So that means that Alligator Loki cannot jump into the MCU universe. Indeed... he was STOLEN LOL. Bad writing.

ALSO, that wasn't the original premise of the first episodes. As simple as that, this show has no internal continuity or logic, it contradicts itself and its rules.

Yes there are trillions of other universes (more in fact, infinite amounts). In those trillions of universes are trillions of TVAs. In those trillions of TVAs are trillions of employees.

They have cut all of those universes and TVAs down to one.

Every timeline gets cut, and ends up at the end of time (which is where all the alternate Lokis were and eventually eaten by a big cloud monster). Alligator Loki never made it into the MCU sacred timeline, he and his entire universe were thrown to the end of time, and everything except for him was eaten by a big cloud.

You keep saying it's bad writing, but you're the only person who doesn't get how this is all happening.

[Rodney-2187]

I love this stuff. Lots of talky-talky.

The Many Worlds of the Quantum Multiverse | Space Time | PBS Digital Studios - YouTube

Parallel Worlds Probably Exist. Here’s Why - YouTube

[Guy87]

Originally Posted by Rodney-2187

I love this stuff. Lots of talky-talky.

The Many Worlds of the Quantum Multiverse | Space Time | PBS Digital Studios - YouTube

Parallel Worlds Probably Exist. Here’s Why - YouTube

I love the theory until the paradoxes of infinite anything cancels out everything else.

Then I just throw my hands up in the air with it all.

[chip75]

"Parallel Worlds Probably Exist. Here's Why."

Sounds like something on the Discovery Channel, where they spend 2 hours not discovering shit.

[Guy87]

Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

That would invalidate all MCU movies, making them "shows" of a superior entity that pilot everyone's lives and actions. LOL.
That's not what he (the character) means, even.

He literally states all of this at the end of the show.

I'm starting to think you didn't watch it.

[Rodney-2187]

Originally Posted by Guy87

I love the theory until the paradoxes of infinite anything cancels out everything else.

Then I just throw my hands up in the air with it all.

I just think the idea that observation/measurement determines the quantum state doesn't make sense. The concept that multiple quantum states exist and we just become likewise entangled when we observe makes more sense. But then we go down a road that leads to not having free will and I certainly don't like that either.

[sandman slim]

Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

No. You don't create an Alligator version of yourself out of blue, just because you missed your breakfast.

Heimdall missed his Wheaties one morning. Distracted by being hungry, he accidentally sends Odin to the wrong planet, where he encounters an incredibly cute, smart alligator. Odin brings him home to Asgard, then continues on to his original destination, the meeting with Laufey where he encounters young Loki... except by being late, he never meets Loki. Returns to Asgard, proceeds to spoil his new pet to the point that Frigga begins jokingly referring to the gator as his son. Odin takes this to heart, teaching the gator their ways, maybe even gifting him with a bit of magic, and naming him Loki. And that is the story of how one universe, branch, alternate, parallel, timeline, whatever ended up with an alligator son in the House of Asgard.

We've even got a picture of the moment it happened:

[Show spoiler]Capture+_2021-07-14-21-39-52-1.jpg

[Guy87]

*Neurosurgeon crashes car and becomes a wizard*
"Yep makes sense*

*Ancient viking God appears on Earth without his magic hammer lightning powers*
"Sure, no issue here"

*Massive purple alien collects magic rocks throughout time and space to have infinite power and is defeated by a time traveling, talking racoon and friends*
"All good"

*Magical shapeshifting God is somehow a crocodile because of an alternate choice he made in time*
"Nope...nope I'm out."

[Rodney-2187]

disingenuous
adjective
not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by Guy87

Yes there are trillions of other universes (more in fact, infinite amounts). In those trillions of universes are trillions of TVAs. In those trillions of TVAs are trillions of employees.

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No, that's wrong, and you know it. That's not the premise. Please, don't make up stuff just to back-up the bad writing of the show.
The one single timeline is a LIE created by Kang, to begin with.
All Kang did was ISOLATING the timeline MCU, and defend it from his other "selves".

That said, they steal people from alternate universes without logic or reason, other than bad writing.

[UniSol GR77]

More about the bad writing:

https://www.inverse.com/entertainmen...ot-hole-theory

https://screenrant.com/loki-avengers...ole-explained/

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a3...le-mind-stone/

https://bgr.com/entertainment/loki-s...hole-heimdall/

[John1701D]

Originally Posted by Guy87

*Magical shapeshifting God is somehow a crocodile because of an alternate choice he made in time*
"Nope...nope I'm out."

Wait, I don't think you're being fair here. I think the issue here is the confusion between time branches due to a character doing something they weren't supposed to thus becoming a variant and a completely alternate universe or long standing existing timeline branch.

Take alligator out of the equation . Sylvie---there's nothing Loki could have done to have been BORN a female, she was pruned as an adolescent. She is NOT a "variant" of our Loki but someone from a complete different reality/timeline/universe.

Now mwynn helped me to understand a little bit better because it's easy to think the show is trying to say there is only "ONE sacred timeline" when apparently HWR was allowing other universes to exist.

So Sylvie was a variant of something her timeline's Sylvie should have done. She was a Sylvie variant.


Unless I'm still completely not understanding at all.

[j_sazin]

Originally Posted by chip75

\Seeing the statue at the end reminded me of Mark Wahlberg discovering Ape Lincoln in Planet of the Apes, shame they didn't play that up more.

Thank you, I was surprised no one else had said that up until now. I told my buddy that they day of the episode.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by John1701D

Wait, I don't think you're being fair here. I think the issue here is the confusion between time branches due to a character doing something they weren't supposed to thus becoming a variant and a completely alternate universe or long standing existing timeline branch.

Take alligator out of the equation . Sylvie---there's nothing Loki could have done to have been BORN a female, she was pruned as an adolescent. She is NOT a "variant" of our Loki but someone from a complete different reality/timeline/universe.

Now mwynn helped me to understand a little bit better because it's easy to think the show is trying to say there is only "ONE sacred timeline" when apparently HWR was allowing other universes to exist.

So Sylvie was a variant of something her timeline's Sylvie should have done. She was a Sylvie variant.


Unless I'm still completely not understanding at all.

Bingo.

[Rodney-2187]

I think HWR is only concerned about being the only variant of Nathaniel Richards because the other versions are much worse, one of them being Kang.

I got a whole Adam and Eve vibe with the apple eating during all that knowledge drop.

Loki is extremely well written. I don't look at the sixth episode as any sort of season finale. They obviously have set story to tell that will intersect with Multiverse of Madness and Quantumania. I was wondering how huge all this would be in comparison to the Infinity Saga and it looks to be even larger stakes. All the conversation this show has spawned regarding science, quantum mechanics, free will, and religion are an indication of that.

Feige does not play dice with the Marvel universe.

Seeing the different statue and Mobius not recognizing Loki is a great cliffhanger. Shang-Chi and The Eternals are nice and all, but after Loki I'm wanting Multiverse of Madness more than anything else right now!

[sandman slim]

Originally Posted by John1701D

Sylvie---there's nothing Loki could have done to have been BORN a female, she was pruned as an adolescent. She is NOT a "variant" of our Loki but someone from a complete different reality/timeline/universe.

It's a matter of a microsecond: different ***** fertilizes the egg, you get a Sylvie instead of a Loki.

Plus, y'all need to remember that a) Loki is actually a Frost Giant, and b) was adopted by Odin & Frigga. Maybe something happens where they can't have any more kids after Thor & they adopt in every alternate reality, so that second child could be anybody. In one universe, you get our Loki. In another, Black Loki. Still another, they adopt much later & you get Kid Loki. Female Loki, Gator Loki, Robot Loki, Sentient Banana Loki... Because he/she/they are adopted, Loki could be literally anybody.

You just have to ask... What If?

Edit: apparently, we're not allowed to use a five letter word for the male cell involved in reproduction.

[John1701D]

Originally Posted by sandman slim

It's a matter of a microsecond: different ***** fertilizes the egg, you get a Sylvie instead of a Loki.

Plus, y'all need to remember that a) Loki is actually a Frost Giant, and b) was adopted by Odin & Frigga. Maybe something happens where they can't have any more kids after Thor & they adopt in every alternate reality, so that second child could be anybody. In one universe, you get our Loki. In another, Black Loki. Still another, they adopt much later & you get Kid Loki. Female Loki, Gator Loki, Robot Loki, Sentient Banana Loki... Because he/she/they are adopted, Loki could be literally anybody.

You just have to ask... What If?

Edit: apparently, we're not allowed to use a five letter word for the male cell involved in reproduction.

I understand what you're saying but that is still an alternate reality. If the branch occurred because Sylvie should have been a boy (Loki), it was allowed to continue many years until she was an adolescent. Once the tva/ hwr allowed Sylvie to grow up that becomes an alternate timeline.

[danman227460]

[Show spoiler]

The way I see it is that they prune variants when their existence might cause a nexus event that would alter time/dimension itself. For example, Sylvie was pruned because her future might have impacted not just her universe but also the universe HWR has made. That is also why Loki's time after he acquired the cube was erased. If he was left alone with the cube, it might have caused a massive nexus event.

That is why Kid Loki was pruned. If his story is to be believed, he killed Thor. That would have set off a massive nexus event where the current MCU would not exist.

Classic Loki managed to trick Thanos and went into hiding. Since he no longer was doing anything to the current timeline in hiding, he was left alone. Only when he stepped off planet, that trigged the TVA of his existence and what he could do to the timeline.

Think of it like a domino set up. One domino (variant) can set off a chain of events that deviates from a set path. Once you remove the domino, the rest of the dominos do not fall.


You could argue that HWR might have chosen Sylvie because of all the scenarios he has seen, she would have been the only variant who could take his place or kill him. So he pruned her out of necessity to start the domino effect leading to their meeting. Since she was a variant already, wiping her out wouldn't impact the sacred timeline.

[Joeker]

Originally Posted by Rodney-2187

I think HWR is only concerned about being the only variant of Michael Richards because the other versions are much worse, one of them being Kang.

So Kramer is really the big bad of the MCU?

[Rodney-2187]

Originally Posted by John1701D

I understand what you're saying but that is still an alternate reality. If the branch occurred because Sylvie should have been a boy (Loki), it was allowed to continue many years until she was an adolescent. Once the tva/ hwr allowed Sylvie to grow up that becomes an alternate timeline.

I don't think it's all about choice. The TVA shows up to eliminate whatever is different if that difference is enough to create an alternate time that will eventually lead to another iteration of Nathaniel Richards. This all leads to the real world debates of multiple universes and free will. That's why I think Loki is extremely well written. Loki is skeptical of the TVA from the very beginning and mentions free will more than once.