POTC framed wrong?

[highdefw]

Originally Posted by Zaphod

Who cares about Disney, they will probably say anything just to not have to replace the discs. What would be more interesting is what Gore Verbinski thinks and says since he is the director...

um, Disney owns the movie....... so they have the power to re-release it

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by highdefw

um, Disney owns the movie....... so they have the power to re-release it

Yes but 1) Disney is a company that cares more about profit than anything else. What would be their motivation to have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to re-release it and offer an exchange? Absolutely none at all... and 2) This is the directors work, he would be more inclined to give the correct answer on wether or not it was framed incorrectly. Disney would not admit that it was a mistake first.

[richard lichtenfelt]

Are there any companies that don't put profit first. Was that just a statement of the obvious, or an attack on Disney for being in the business to make money.

[JaysDomain]

What crap, they better fix this for existing owners.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by richard lichtenfelt

Are there any companies that don't put profit first. Was that just a statement of the obvious, or an attack on Disney for being in the business to make money.

Just a re-iteration of that companies are in business to make a profit and to make a point to the OP that Disney would not just automatically admit wrong doing at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars to re-release it, especially for such a small error. Where the answer directly from the director would probably be less biased and accurate since this is his work. Yes the movie rights and the master are owned by Disney but does the OP honestly think Disney would admit guilt right off the bat? Now Sony did the right thing with The Fifth Element because that transfer was horrible in almost every aspect. This is just a minor error and would not warrant a massive replacement.

[BStecke]

Universal did a replacement for Back to the Future 2 for the exact same thing.

[Animusmors]

Can someone post some pictures of the framing with both the DVD and the Blu-Ray editions of the film? The quality of the pics doesn't matter just take a pic of the TV and post them. As long as they are viewable and are on the same frame.

*edit*
sorry i posted too soon i see them on AVS

[aristotles]

I just watched it and he is wrong.

Here is my analysis that I posted on AVS:

Denner, thank you for causing so many of us to waste a bunch of time looking into this non-issue.

Looking at the scenes "in context" of the larger series of scenes, it seems to me that that DVD framing was wrong and that most directors would not be shifting the matte up and down between shots but rather would shoot the scene keeping in mind where the centre of the frame is in the shot. Most shots in this film would look wrong if the matte was always at the top of the frame.

Analysis of Norington scene:
When I looked at the camera movement from just before the commander Norington scene I saw the camera move down lower to be sitting below looking up and the focus is not on Norington but the foreground rifles to frame the frame with a certain tension. Had the intent of the director been to show Norinton's head, the focus would not be on the foreground guns and the camera would not be so low to the ground. I also looked at the scene right after and the camera is looking from above and noticed that Norington is much taller than the drunken blacksmith which would mean cutting off the hair of Norington would be unavoidable if you did not want to cut off too much of the shorter character.

Analysis of fight in the rafters:
Looking at this scene, we again see the camera is always below the characters looking up to give us the impression of the character climbing high up for the battle. Some of you complain about the characters being cut off but again, I see the matte being at the centre of the original frame as it usually should be and how it appears to be through out the movie. Also note that there are quite a few shots with just the feet in view during the battle.

Denner, I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are indeed a director but not all directors are accomplished camera operators and I'm basing my analysis on camera movement, apparent camera position relative to the actors and the context of the scene.

I believe the original DVD issues were done haphazardly and the director may not have been paying too much atttention to the framing of that release because it was being released as both Fullscreen (pan and scan) and widescreen.

Unfortunately, we don't have access to the film on the big screen at the moment to do a proper comparison unless someone has a trailer lying around with clips from those scenes from the original theatrical release.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by Animusmors

Can someone post some pictures of the framing with both the DVD and the Blu-Ray editions of the film? The quality of the pics doesn't matter just take a pic of the TV and post them. As long as they are viewable and are on the same frame.

*edit*
sorry i posted too soon i see them on AVS

Screenshots are not going to tell the story. Anyone can selectively choose individual frames from movie and try to spin them in any direction. I believe that scenes need to be viewed in context and a screenshot is not going to give anyone that context and they are so open to interpretation.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by BStecke

Universal did a replacement for Back to the Future 2 for the exact same thing.

Yes, but at a time where DVD's were a dime a dozen (figure of speech). The cost of replacement was minimal compared to the Blu-ray discs now and the cost of these far exceed standard DVD's and would cost the company significantly more to replace.

[Deciazulado]

I just watched the sequence. I agree with aristotles.

The "Norington" scene is actually a point of view shot of the fallen Jack Sparrow (Captain Jack Sparrow), in other words, the camera is where the fallen Captain would lie, almost like what the subjective point of view would be from someone that has been rendered unconscious.

The rafters shot is to emphasize the fancy foot work done by them hopping from the beams.



Open matte photography. Always brings this controversy. Obviously the War Room must be 1.375 because the circular lights are in the open matte (Not because the circular lights were done THAT way to give that kind of overhead illumination on the 1.85 frame as Kubrick wanted)...

[Zaphod]

Why can't we all just assume that the shot is framed correctly until we hear the offical word from either Disney, the director, editor, producer or whoever was the one who supervised the Blu-ray release?

[beepemborp]

yup, you're right! watching as we speak! I see the problem! kinda weird the transfer could have been any different from regular DVD. You'd swear to god they'd be the exact same thing! I'd love a reissue is there ever is one! I want the full picture!

[Lord_Stewie]

maybe we should sign a petition and send a message to disney that they messed up on the film. I will look up their customer support number and see if we could get a reissue.

[Lord_Stewie]

okay, guys so i found a link where you could report any problems you have with your DVD/BLURAY disc. i am going to go ahead and report the problem to them. But what's important you guys must do the same so disney can hear us, and maybe fix the issue for us.

here is the link:

http://studio.go.com/cgi-bin/gmail/g...lem/report.tpl

[cawgijoe]

What a waste of time.

As I stated earlier, I watched the whole film last night and these two instances don't do a thing to ruin the movie. If no one had pointed out the fact that the DVD is different than the Blu-Ray all of you would be perfectly content today.

Until the Director or Disney says this was a mistake, you have no idea whether the Director made the change or if it indeed was an error.

I got so worked up about this yesterday and when I saw it for myself I just burst out laughing!

Ok...more info gathered from AVS.....there appears to be an 8 or 9 minute timeframe starting from the swordfight in the barn to when the Black Pearl attacks that has the framing issue. The rest of the movie appears fine.

The instances of this happening are so quick that if you did not know about you would not think twice.

I will certainly not allow this to ruin my view or enjoyment of the film. That being said, we all need to wait for Disney to hopefully reply to this and let us know if this was a mistake or intentional.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by beepemborp

yup, you're right! watching as we speak! I see the problem! kinda weird the transfer could have been any different from regular DVD. You'd swear to god they'd be the exact same thing! I'd love a reissue is there ever is one! I want the full picture!

You have the full picture. It's just framed differently from the DVD issue.

If this was indeed intentional and it was framed the same way in the theatrical release, you have zero chance of getting a re-issue of the Blu-ray. What you might get is a reissue of the DVD version.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by cawgijoe

Ok...more info gathered from AVS.....there appears to be an 8 or 9 minute timeframe starting from the swordfight in the barn to when the Black Pearl attacks that has the framing issue. The rest of the movie appears fine.

The instances of this happening are so quick that if you did not know about you would not think twice.

I will certainly not allow this to ruin my view or enjoyment of the film. That being said, we all need to wait for Disney to hopefully reply to this and let us know if this was a mistake or intentional.

If it all occurs within that section of the film, which includes footage of just feet on the beams, I would lean towards it being intentional.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by beepemborp

yup, you're right! watching as we speak! I see the problem! kinda weird the transfer could have been any different from regular DVD. You'd swear to god they'd be the exact same thing! I'd love a reissue is there ever is one! I want the full picture!

No you don't. What happened on the DVD transfer is someone that thought like you saw those scenes and said "omg the director screwed! Let me rake the frame down so we can see the actors!", instead of looking at the intention of the scene.

It's a miracle they didn't zoom and cropped out the focused soldier's rifle that's intruding on the left of the scene to focus more on the far away action. In fact, the director should have redone the shot like a TV Soap scene.



aristotles stop leaning. Someone might tilt the frame to correct that too !





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