Batman & Robin is an amazing Demo film

[CreasyBear]

I wish more comic book films took the time to actually be live action comic books in the ways the Schumacher films did.

[Guy87]

I'm about halfway through Batman 66 at the moment and I have to admit there's a part of me looking forward to revisiting Batman & Robin to see the parallels.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Dark City Denizen

Let’s be clear about this. He has no superpowers in name only. When you can fight off a dozen men at once & kick through a tree trunk, you have superpowers for all intents & purposes.

Remind me what Batman was doing in the melees against Steppenwolf and Doomsday? Pretty sure he was realizing beings that can go toe-to-toe with Amazonians and Kryptonians were above his weight class and spent most of those fights hiding or fighting beings a human (granted one at the absolute peak of human ability) could actually handle. I love Batman and always will but I don't consider him a superhero.

[HenriDeadMort]

Originally Posted by Dark City Denizen

Carrey’s performance makes me want to slit my wrists.

Finally yes, someone gets it

[Dark City Denizen]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Remind me what Batman was doing in the melees against Steppenwolf and Doomsday? Pretty sure he was realizing beings that can go toe-to-toe with Amazonians and Kryptonians were above his weight class and spent most of those fights hiding or fighting beings a human (granted one at the absolute peak of human ability) could actually handle. I love Batman and always will but I don't consider him a superhero.

I can’t tell you since I’ve never seen those movies because they look awful.

[Dark City Denizen]

Originally Posted by HenriDeadMort

Finally yes, someone gets it

It’s a performance so vomitously awful, it actually mutated into something infectious. So desperate was Tommy Lee Jones for attention (as Carrey was the ‘it’ boy of the day), he resorted to acting like a chimp for the entire film.

[JediJones77]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

I wish more comic book films took the time to actually be live action comic books in the ways the Schumacher films did.

Comic books haven't been that cheesy in 50 years. They kept getting more popular through the '90s because they kept getting more mature, and delivering serious adventure in the vein of Star Wars and Indiana Jones, back when Hollywood couldn't afford to do a lot of movies like that, and had few producers who had any clue how to do the kinds of fantasy stories Lucas, Spielberg, Marvel and DC were doing and why they appealed to young people.

[shane01]

When I was younger I tried to cling to moments of levity in Batman Forever and Batman & Robin because I believed being more serious was somehow better. But once I got on Schumacher’s wavelength it all clicked for me. He spoke openly about the campy tone he was after with his Batman movies. he called it “doing a comic book” which I’m sure aggravates the graphic novel crowd even more. Once you stop wanting a movie to be something else, you can appreciate it for what it is!

[JediJones77]

Schumacher had the same mindset of Richard Lester when he did Superman III, that is not knowing the difference between a comic book, a comic strip and a cartoon. They were looking at Superman and Batman, but in their minds they were thinking about Mr. Magoo, Dennis the Menace and Marmaduke.

[Zechs Merquise]

Originally Posted by JediJones77

I never watched Batman Forever or Batman & Robin. Batman Returns was such a horrible, wretched, disappointing experience in 1992 that I was turned off from the series forever. Starting to read the comics in the '90s also showed me in retrospect how inadequate the story in the 1989 Batman was. Never go see a comic book movie from someone who says he doesn't know how to read comic books, i.e. Tim Burton. Batman Returns isn't a superhero movie in any way. It's one man's sick, disturbed, confused fantasy. Thank God for Chris Nolan and Zack Snyder for giving us the first intelligent, meaningful Batman movies that are inspired by the actual comic books.

Snyder doesn't know how to read comic books either. And while I loved Batman Begins, Nolan leaned way too hard into the 'realism' thing for the sequels. Because Nolan admitted he doesn't get comic books either. That's why he hired Goyer for Begins, who kinda sorta did (Blade II is one of the best comic book films ever).

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

Better than anything Nolan did!

Oh my goodness.....

[JediJones77]

Originally Posted by Zechs Merquise

Snyder doesn't know how to read comic books either.

BS. Snyder has directed multiples of the most accurate comic adaptations of all time. He also gets basic superhero mythology at a deeper level than anyone else doing superhero movies today. There is Superman 1978, the Raimi Spider-Man films, the Nolan Bat films, and all of the Zack Snyder-directed superhero films. Nothing else comes close to deeply understanding and exploring superhero mythology as those. The MCU films are halfway to Adam West Batman by comparison. They offer little serious insight into the superhero genre. And some, like the Thor sequels, are almost right there at the Adam West level, in just how fundamentally they misunderstand what superheroes are and trivialize them. Zack Snyder has lived, eaten and breathed comic books at as complete and thorough a level as any filmmaker working in the genre ever has.

As for Nolan, if he didn't understand comic books, but was smart enough to hire a writer who did, and faithfully adapt his script, then it's 6 of one, half dozen of the other. I haven't delved into interviews with Nolan too much, but I have with Snyder, and I know how to recognize a comic book geek when I see one. It takes one to know one.

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by JediJones77

Comic books haven't been that cheesy in 50 years. They kept getting more popular through the '90s because they kept getting more mature, and delivering serious adventure in the vein of Star Wars and Indiana Jones, back when Hollywood couldn't afford to do a lot of movies like that, and had few producers who had any clue how to do the kinds of fantasy stories Lucas, Spielberg, Marvel and DC were doing and why they appealed to young people.

The 90's is like...the worst period for superhero comics. A lot of gimmicks and faux "edgy" bullshit. Comics and their movies can be a lot of different things and that's the beauty of the medium. To only want or expect one stylistic approach to such a vast medium is to wall yourself off from the colorful spectrum these characters offer.

[DR Herbert West]

My DVR sense is tingling.

[JediJones77]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

The 90's is like...the worst period for superhero comics. A lot of gimmicks and faux "edgy" bullshit. Comics and their movies can be a lot of different things and that's the beauty of the medium. To only want or expect one stylistic approach to such a vast medium is to wall yourself off from the colorful spectrum these characters offer.

I mean through about the mid-90s. The early 90s had a lot of fantastic stuff, but it really went bad around 1994, in every way imaginable, and at just about every company, for a lot of different reasons.

The childish, campy stuff was very much on the way out by the 70s and 80s. DC was lagging behind, but got there in a big way with DKR and Watchmen. And they fixed their cartoon problem by ditching Super Friends into the dumpster and starting the amazing BTAS and spin-offs, surpassing Marvel's cartoon efforts.

Of course there are non-superhero comics, but most of them go for much more mature and adult themes, like Sin City and 300. There was little market for campy or cheesy stories in comic books after the Adam West Batman series ended. Schumacher I think said openly he was taking inspiration from the Adam West series. There was nothing in modern comic books he could've used as inspiration. Nobody was doing stories like that then.

[CreasyBear]

[kylor]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

My DVR sense is tingling.

DVR would never defend Zack Snyder. Debunked.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by kylor

DVR would never defend Zack Snyder. Debunked.

What if it’s a trick!?

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

What if it’s a trick!?

Exactly!

[kylor]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

What if it’s a trick!?

He's not that smart.