Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Thanks for the mention, but it was the Lyngdorf MP-60 2.1. Almost went the Trinnov way though.

, sorry about the mix up. I had prepared some post for Dave Vaughn and Kirs Deering and both have the Trinnov and I somehow had you with one as well. Need to start utilizing Google Keep more to reduce my .

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Talk about Obscene that JVC Projector is $25,000

Actually the JVC is fairly cheap when compared with something like a Christie Griffyn, some prices here. Lens can be many thousands more. The JVC weighs 57 pounds, the Griffyn weighs 176 pounds without lens.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Actually the JVC is fairly cheap when compared with something like a Christie Griffyn, some prices here. Lens can be many thousands more. The JVC weighs 57 pounds, the Griffyn weighs 176 pounds without lens.

The JVC is a true home theater projector. That Christie projector is a commerical digital cinema projector used in movie theaters.

Home theater projectors come complete with a lens. Commerical projectors do not.

[Lee A Stewart]

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[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The JVC is a true home theater projector. That Christie projector is a commerical digital cinema projector used in movie theaters.

Home theater projectors come complete with a lens. Commerical projectors do not.

Has nothing to do with price differential between various projectors. Christie, Barco and other detached lens projectors can be found in homes. On the flip-side JVC and Sony projectors can be found in edit suites, screening rooms, post-houses, etc. It is the very reason the JVC D-ILA and Sony SXRD chips are native 4096 X 2160 (true 4K DCP) rather than 3840 x 2160 (UHD).

A Sony 4K projector for a mere $80,000 here.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Has nothing to do with price differential between various projectors. Christie, Barco and other detached lens projectors can be found in homes. On the flip-side JVC and Sony projectors can be found in edit suites, screening rooms, post-houses, etc. It is the very reason the JVC D-ILA and Sony SXRD chips are native 4096 X 2160 (true 4K DCP) rather than 3840 x 2160 (UHD).

A Sony 4K projector for a mere $80,000 here.

An $80,000 Sony? Bah.

https://www.christiedigital.com/prod...istie-eclipse/

The 9000 lumen model is $408,000. Add another $22,500 for a lens.

The 25,000 lumen model is $465,000 - lens extra.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Actually, I think discussing SVOD/AVOD in this thread is very relevant. The availability of massive amounts of content for a very low monthly fee, or entirely free with many AVODs, is a major contributing factor as to why people are purchasing less content, whether that content be physical or digital EST. They don't feel the need to buy content when, for example, Disney+ offers so much of what they want to see for just $8 per month.

Yeah, we had cable TV long before SVOD, but unlike cable TV, SVOD is vastly cheaper, higher quality (than cable), and all of the content is available "on demand." Cable TV did not hurt sales of video content, but SVOD certainly has and thus SVOD very much impacts the future of physical media and digital EST both.

don't forget "cable" is a very long period, I remember when it was first available here and all it was was OAT channels with the benefit of constant signal strength, then came specialty channels, movie channels, PPV and VOD


I think it had always played a part, if you are watching what is on TV you are not renting or watching films you bought. And for a lot of people it is about filing up a void and not about being picky (and it does not matter if we are talking cable or renting in all its forms).

That being said I personally agree with you there should be room for discussion for content in all its sources, but then again the mods changed the title of the thread to "Physical & Digital EST".

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Hi Vilya glad to hear from you, but if you want the Best you have to pay for it.

Finally we agree on something, I have no issue with people that don't want the best, but that is why I buy what I want on physical media

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by gotmule

In this hobby of ours, I think the debate regarding cables is the longest running and at times, one of the most contentious. It is crazy that there exists a group on AVS Forum that will belittle and haze anyone who spends money on cables, as they will post links to refute any sort of claimed benefits from going up the food chain.

Let's be honest, unfortunately there is a lot of snake oil in the field which does not help the case for better cable and length also plays a role. That being said I completely agree with you for some it is almost a religion and they can't get sometimes you can get away with cheap cables but there might be a cost for it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

[Show spoiler]don't forget "cable" is a very long period, I remember when it was first available here and all it was was OAT channels with the benefit of constant signal strength, then came specialty channels, movie channels, PPV and VOD


I think it had always played a part, if you are watching what is on TV you are not renting or watching films you bought. And for a lot of people it is about filing up a void and not about being picky (and it does not matter if we are talking cable or renting in all its forms).

That being said I personally agree with you there should be room for discussion for content in all its sources, but then again the mods changed the title of the thread to "Physical & Digital EST".

SVOD has clearly impacted the sales of content on both physical media and digital EST, therefore it is relevant to the discussion of both their futures.

The mods have never minded that we discuss SVOD as it relates to the thread's topic.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Let's be honest, unfortunately there is a lot of snake oil in the field which does not help the case for better cable and length also plays a role. That being said I completely agree with you for some it is almost a religion and they can't get sometimes you can get away with cheap cables but there might be a cost for it.

The audio/video cable industry can be quite silly. Paying $3999 for a 7.5 foot length of AudioQuest's "Dragon" Ultra High Speed hdmi cable seems entirely absurd to me, but then again expecting a $6.99 Monoprice Premium High Speed hdmi cable to last proved to be naive on my part. The best hdmi cables are found somewhere between these two extremes of price.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Talk about Obscene that JVC Projector is $25,000, so $8000 is chicken feed.

what is obscene about it? Just because you are not willing to pay that much for a quality product?

That's why I say this Movie viewing Quality is all Subjective, and very dependent on your pocket book.

If someone spends 1k or 25k should obviously be dependent on someone s wallet. But that does not make it subjective. what features are available between two projectors can easily be seen on the specs ( manual or motorized zoom, focus... ; presets no, #;throw range; brightness.....)
others like tweakability, image quality can be measured and objectively evaluated.

Just because you have Disc doesn't mean you have the best, you need the equipment to back it up.

no, does not matter the price of the projector a UHD copy of a film will always be the best and a Yutube of a 30 year old VHS the worst.

I say start with the Display, and see what equipment to add for the Quality you want for a given price!

see I disagree with you on that.

1) Crappy source on a quality display is like buying a Lamborghini to drive it on a dirt road, completely useless. while a cheap display with a good source is like a cheap car on a good highway it still gets you there as fast. Will people say look at that cool Lambo with the cheap car? no, will you be as comfortable as a luxury car on the drive? no so there are benefits spending more on a better car but the cheap car will get you there as fast.

2) like you said someone's pocket book might be able to afford a 25k projector while someone else can't afford as much. But when it comes to content the price is no where near as grand so it is much easier to spend what is needed to get the best. Also content tends to last (If I want I can still listen to my grand father's records) while displays fail and technology moves forward.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The audio/video cable industry can be quite silly. Paying $3999 for a 7.5 foot length of AudioQuest's "Dragon" Ultra High Speed hdmi cable seems entirely absurd to me, but then again expecting a $6.99 Monoprice Premium High Speed hdmi cable to last proved to be naive on my part. The best hdmi cables are found somewhere between these two extremes of price.

Same as these? I have quite a few various types of Monoprice cables in use. I have several lengths of the Monoprice linked cables but have not installed them yet. Also have HDMI cables from other vendors in use.

Can not remember if I ever had any fail after a period of time. The only reason I can think of would be compound (dielectric, sheath) chemical breakdown, excessive heat and/or too sharp of bending radius (info here). Manufactures like Belden and CommScope will specify the bending radius of many of their cables.

IF I should procure a new JVC projector then I most likely get this cable because I need one that is 40'. Most copper cables can not do 18 Gbps at 40' and would certainly fail at 48 Gbps. Ruipro seems to be the favorite fiber cable with the users at AVS.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

SVOD has clearly impacted the sales of content on both physical media and digital EST, therefore it is relevant to the discussion of both their futures.

yes but it was trend that started before svod.

The mods have never minded that we discuss SVOD as it relates to the thread's topic.

the thread title was changed a few months ago right after they closed it for a bit. I only come here on the weekends so I don't know what actually happened. But I think you were mostly around back then so you probably know better then I do

Originally Posted by Vilya

The audio/video cable industry can be quite silly. Paying $3999 for a 7.5 foot length of AudioQuest's "Dragon" Ultra High Speed hdmi cable seems entirely absurd to me, but then again expecting a $6.99 Monoprice Premium High Speed hdmi cable to last proved to be naive on my part. The best hdmi cables are found somewhere between these two extremes of price.

agree, never bought either.

[Steedeel]

This energy supply crisis could end up being a nightmare. There is whisper of blackouts next year and it got me thinking if a combination of extreme weather, supply shortages and political indifference speeds up, we may be going weeks or months without electricity for a specified time each day. I can see People thinking they are better off with a laptop or tablet than a tv when they won’t have access to that set for several days/weeks at a time. At least with laptops, you can charge it and watch when all the power is down.

Something more to worry about.

This of course could disrupt the streaming services massively also. Several weeks with people cancelling subscriptions while power is down. It would be a massive problem for the entertainment industry.

Downloads would hsve to come back into vogue in a big way.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

This energy supply crisis could end up being a nightmare. There is whisper of blackouts next year and it got me thinking if a combination of extreme weather, supply shortages and political indifference speeds up, we may be going weeks or months without electricity for a specified time each day. I can see People thinking they are better off with a laptop or tablet than a tv when they won’t have access to that set for several days/weeks at a time. At least with laptops, you can charge it and watch when all the power is down.

Something more to worry about.

This of course could disrupt the streaming services massively also. Several weeks with people cancelling subscriptions while power is down. It would be a massive problem for the entertainment industry.

Downloads would hsve to come back into vogue in a big way.

No idea what you are talking about. but if it is weeks and months with out electricity there is a lot more to worry about then watching TV or movies.

I could be wrong, but I think all AC uses electricity and even NG or oil heaters need electricity to work. aren't all refrigerators electric? Don't know % but I am sure even in the UK, like here and myself, some people have electric stoves/ovens. Washer and driers are also electric as far as I know.....

My guess, if your cataclysmic view were to be remotely true, people would just get generated/ battery back up for the house. We are all too spoiled to live in a world where electricity is not dependable and can be gone for days and months.

Now as for your comment on laptops and tablets


1) I am sure most people have them (I do)
2) what stops someone from using them when it benefits them while watching a TV when the power is back and they can do it?
3) I am sorry but they don't last days/weeks without power.
4) When I renovated and added a generator in case of emergency I did not one that could power the whole house it only covers the kitchen, HT and HT bathroom. so if there is no power I can watch my BDs, but it does not cover the utility room witch also has my fiber internet connection, so no internet. Tablets and laptops are good and they can work without power but you also need modems and wifi for it to work for streaming (unless you use cell, but then you also need a cell plan with unlimited data and good enough speeds- don't know if that is a given in the UK)

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The show's good, too. It's very hard science fiction, so if you're looking for something easy and simple to digest, look elsewhere.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

No idea what you are talking about. but if it is weeks and months with out electricity there is a lot more to worry about then watching TV or movies.

I could be wrong, but I think all AC uses electricity and even NG or oil heaters need electricity to work. aren't all refrigerators electric? Don't know % but I am sure even in the UK, like here and myself, some people have electric stoves/ovens. Washer and driers are also electric as far as I know.....

My guess, if your cataclysmic view were to be remotely true, people would just get generated/ battery back up for the house. We are all too spoiled to live in a world where electricity is not dependable and can be gone for days and months.

Now as for your comment on laptops and tablets


1) I am sure most people have them (I do)
2) what stops someone from using them when it benefits them while watching a TV when the power is back and they can do it?
3) I am sorry but they don't last days/weeks without power.
4) When I renovated and added a generator in case of emergency I did not one that could power the whole house it only covers the kitchen, HT and HT bathroom. so if there is no power I can watch my BDs, but it does not cover the utility room witch also has my fiber internet connection, so no internet. Tablets and laptops are good and they can work without power but you also need modems and wifi for it to work for streaming (unless you use cell, but then you also need a cell plan with unlimited data and good enough speeds- don't know if that is a given in the UK)

Referring to the huge gas shortage crisis currently in the U.K. and Europe? Is this not a issue in the USA?

It has been forecasted to last several months and could even end up being years.

It’s also said that the most of Europe and the USA could have issues due to extreme weather and lacklustre planning that leaves a gap between energy management short term and a switch to renewables long term.

It wouldn’t be a total loss of power just a switch off for several hours per day. Industry first, then residents. 3 day working weeks and designated switch off times for the home. This would impact broadband, tv, gaming, cooking, warmth, manufacturing, production lines, food etc..

My argument is that folk may decide charging a laptop while at work and downloading shows and films to watch offline is a much more cost effective way of consuming stuff than being without a tv for several hours per day and several weeks (maybe running into months) per year.


A think tank in Europe and the U.K. have noted these risks as well as various experts.

As for the tv point, the switch off would probably happen in the evening, hence the laptop, tablet or phone it’s downloaded content being the only visual entertainment option. Many millions work in the daytime obviously.

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