Commentary: A War of Hype, and Paramount's Big Bombshell - Blu-ray Forum

HDTV1080P · 08-31-2007, 09:52 PM

This is an interesting article to read
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Joshua_Zyber/Commentary:_A_War_of_Hype,_and_Paramounts_Big_Bomb shell_/921
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“I think it's time we all took a step back and tried to look at this from a more balanced perspective. If the video game market can survive with multiple formats, each offering their own exclusive releases, how is the High Definition market any different? Personally, I foresee both HD DVD and Blu-ray coexisting for a long time, and potentially both thriving. If competition between the two formats continues to result in improved quality, lower prices, and a steady stream of movies in High Definition, that's a good thing in my book.”
If both HDTV optical formats coexist then most likely the HDTV optical market will be a niche market like the Laserdisc. If BLU-RAY (or the less quality HD-DVD format) won the format war then we would start to see mainstream consumer adoption of HDTV optical discs. One of the reasons the DVD format was so popular was the entire industry supported the format.

HDTV1080P · 08-31-2007, 10:01 PM

Also with the DVD format players when launched were over $1,000 dollars but over time the player prices came down to under $50. If the HD-DVD format was not around the BLU-RAY player prices would naturally fall over a few years until one day BLU-RAY players are priced at $50. The format war brings player prices down in price to fast which can result in companies deciding to not make new models in fear that there is no profit to be made on players priced to cheap.

LeoneFan · 08-31-2007, 10:03 PM

Joshua Zyber is a known HDDVD shill all over the internet. He knows HDDVD will not win so the only hope left is a dual format future in his eyes. Too bad that's not a possibillity.

dialog_gvf · 08-31-2007, 10:09 PM

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HD DVD has consistently sold more dedicated stand-alone disc players than Blu-ray, and stand-alone players have a much higher attach rate of discs sold (PS3 owners are more likely to buy the unit for games than for Blu-ray movies). Taking the long view, if this trend continues, HD DVD could have a growth surge that eventually surpasses Blu-ray.

This trend hasn't continued already. Blu-ray is now selling more stand-alones in the US. If you're going to talk about trends, shouldn't you at least know what those trends are?

Except for the Paramount announcement, what single thing has occured this year that doesn't point to Blu-ray leading and continuing to lead?

Gary

onanie · 08-31-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

This trend hasn't continued already. Blu-ray is now selling more stand-alones in the US. If you're going to talk about trends, shouldn't you at least know what those trends are?

Except for the Paramount announcement, what single thing has occured this year that doesn't point to Blu-ray leading and continuing to lead?

Gary

Do we have any concrete signs that blu-ray stand-alones are selling more in the US? If so, it seems that HD DVD supporters have done well to hide the fact.

LeoneFan · 08-31-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by onanie

Do we have any concrete signs that blu-ray stand-alones are selling more in the US? If so, it seems that HD DVD supporters have done well to hide the fact.

In addition to all the other facts, they're good at that though.

Again, Josh Zyber is a HDDVD shill like no other. This guy's opinion has no weight at all.

Spankey · 09-01-2007, 12:02 AM

Josh Zyber! Ha ha..does he have a new home with the other shill, Bracke?

HERE COMES THE JUGGERNAUT! LMFAO

WickyWoo · 09-01-2007, 12:03 AM

Notice his repeated thinly veiled digs at Bill?

YOu know what's going to be hilarious? When AVS has their Amir party next week and it's "Players for everyone!"

hyperdine · 09-01-2007, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Notice his repeated thinly veiled digs at Bill?

I did notice that. I thought it was just me. The whole comment about parties, etc. Bill is the consumate professional. I've been visiting Bill's website for about eight years now and he's definitely not a shill. In fact, he was pretty vocal early on about Blu-Ray's lackluster launch.

J_UNTITLED · 09-01-2007, 08:03 AM

Needless to say it's quite obvious that we the consumer and movie/TV fan are the ones who ultimately lose in a situation like this.

phil · 09-01-2007, 08:06 AM

I don't think I lost, I think it's the main reason why I was able to get films for 20-25 dollars so fast instead of 40 for each film. I think it's one of the reasons why I got my HD DVD player for 175 dollars and my PS3 for 500 dollars. I think it's one of the reasons why I got me Second Bravia LCD for my bedroom at a really good price of under 2 grand while being 1080p.

Deciazulado · 09-01-2007, 08:14 AM

phil, you know all you're talking lately is hd dvd this hd dvd that.
Blu-ray site. Remember?

phil · 09-01-2007, 08:19 AM

I support Blu Ray, I own pleanty of them, and I also feel that the pictue quality ,ability to burn, and title selection is way superior then HD DVD. Don't question me on my support for Blu Ray, but do I think that a little competition is harmful and produces the consumer as losers? NO. This is the United States, Jesus, It's called a Free/Open Marketplace and maybe free speech where we are suppose to have competition in our marketplaces. That's what they teach you in Economics 101. I'm just saying that a little competition is healthy in the marketplace and benificial to the consumer, do you want to say otherwise?

Blue · 09-01-2007, 08:23 AM

Eventually - yes the consumer is the loser. The question is when should have everyone agreed?. Caved in at the start and had 8.4GB of highly compressed 720p? Or if there was no war could we have had 100GB Blu-ray disc's? One thing is certain the war has driven the price down faster than anyone could have imagined. This boils down to Toshiba determined to hang onto their DVD royalties and the rest of the industry determined not to pay them (I'm referring to the negotiations before Microsoft got in the middle of things). Look at the price of hardware HD-FUD players to sell (according to rumours) for under US$200 by Christmas! When you think about it except for the control software and the supporting electronics as well as a small lens - the HD-FUD and Blu players are identical. As we are talking the industry giant's I don't think anyone would be getting bigger discounts on volume, so price has crashed to the point I think one or more companies maybe actually subsidising the cost. The problem for the consumer that choose the wrong format is going to be left holding the baby?

phil · 09-01-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue

The problem for the consumer that choose the wrong format is going to be left holding the baby?

You know not everyone views holding a baby as a bad thing and I ptty those who do, I think that's a pretty bad analogy to end with. And kind of even cruel. I mean you're suggesting a negative connotation with holding a child, call me whatever you want, but seeing as how I'm expecting my first child in the next incoming months I felt that to be a slight sting to my eyes at first, and kind of alarming. I for one love children.

Blue · 09-01-2007, 03:00 PM

In Western English speaking countries "Holding the Baby" is an accepted idiom (There is even a comic named the same). I would suggest doing a little research if you are unsure. Server space costs money - don't waste it.

Footnote - You didn't get Banned for being an Idiot - you got banned as the last identy you assumed got banned for being a TROLL.

T-Wrecks · 09-02-2007, 05:12 AM

D@MN YOU !!!!...........

.

Blu-Ray ftw.

dialog_gvf · 09-02-2007, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by onanie

Do we have any concrete signs that blu-ray stand-alones are selling more in the US? If so, it seems that HD DVD supporters have done well to hide the fact.

Well, of course they would keep silent about it.

From a Japan site

The split is now something like 55:45, which they like to describe as big lead, while dismissing the 66:34 (or better) lead for Blu-ray in disc sales.

The capacity for self-delusion can never be underestimated.

JTK · 09-02-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Well, of course they would keep silent about it.

From a Japan site

The split is now something like 55:45, which they like to describe as big lead, while dismissing the 66:34 (or better) lead for Blu-ray in disc sales.

The capacity for self-delusion can never be underestimated.

http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6467868

Dated August 10, 2007

This was where it started to show.

08-31-2007, 09:52 PM	#1
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Commentary: A War of Hype, and Paramount's Big Bombshell This is an interesting article to read http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Joshua_Zyber/Commentary:_A_War_of_Hype,_and_Paramounts_Big_Bomb shell_/921 quote “I think it's time we all took a step back and tried to look at this from a more balanced perspective. If the video game market can survive with multiple formats, each offering their own exclusive releases, how is the High Definition market any different? Personally, I foresee both HD DVD and Blu-ray coexisting for a long time, and potentially both thriving. If competition between the two formats continues to result in improved quality, lower prices, and a steady stream of movies in High Definition, that's a good thing in my book.” If both HDTV optical formats coexist then most likely the HDTV optical market will be a niche market like the Laserdisc. If BLU-RAY (or the less quality HD-DVD format) won the format war then we would start to see mainstream consumer adoption of HDTV optical discs. One of the reasons the DVD format was so popular was the entire industry supported the format. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-31-2007 at 09:54 PM. Reason: grammar

09-01-2007, 08:03 AM	#10
J_UNTITLED Power Member Member since:Jul 2006	In This Format War, We Are the Losers Needless to say it's quite obvious that we the consumer and movie/TV fan are the ones who ultimately lose in a situation like this. Last edited by J_UNTITLED; 09-01-2007 at 08:46 AM.

09-01-2007, 08:19 AM	#13
phil Banned Member since:Aug 2007	I support Blu Ray, I own pleanty of them, and I also feel that the pictue quality ,ability to burn, and title selection is way superior then HD DVD. Don't question me on my support for Blu Ray, but do I think that a little competition is harmful and produces the consumer as losers? NO. This is the United States, Jesus, It's called a Free/Open Marketplace and maybe free speech where we are suppose to have competition in our marketplaces. That's what they teach you in Economics 101. I'm just saying that a little competition is healthy in the marketplace and benificial to the consumer, do you want to say otherwise? Last edited by phil; 09-01-2007 at 08:24 AM.

09-01-2007, 03:00 PM	#16
Blue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Melbourne Australia Blu-ray collection:206	In Western English speaking countries "Holding the Baby" is an accepted idiom (There is even a comic named the same). I would suggest doing a little research if you are unsure. Server space costs money - don't waste it. Footnote - You didn't get Banned for being an Idiot - you got banned as the last identy you assumed got banned for being a TROLL. Last edited by Blue; 09-01-2007 at 03:12 PM. Reason: Footnote

09-02-2007, 05:12 AM	#17
T-Wrecks Active Member Member since:Jul 2007	d@mn you IP address tracking system... D@MN YOU !!!!............ Blu-Ray ftw.

08-31-2007, 10:01 PM	#2
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	Also with the DVD format players when launched were over $1,000 dollars but over time the player prices came down to under $50. If the HD-DVD format was not around the BLU-RAY player prices would naturally fall over a few years until one day BLU-RAY players are priced at $50. The format war brings player prices down in price to fast which can result in companies deciding to not make new models in fear that there is no profit to be made on players priced to cheap.

08-31-2007, 10:03 PM	#3
LeoneFan Senior Member Member since:Jan 2007	Joshua Zyber is a known HDDVD shill all over the internet. He knows HDDVD will not win so the only hope left is a dual format future in his eyes. Too bad that's not a possibillity.

09-01-2007, 12:02 AM	#7
Spankey Power Member Member since:Oct 2006	Josh Zyber! Ha ha..does he have a new home with the other shill, Bracke? HERE COMES THE JUGGERNAUT! LMFAO

09-01-2007, 12:03 AM	#8
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	Notice his repeated thinly veiled digs at Bill? YOu know what's going to be hilarious? When AVS has their Amir party next week and it's "Players for everyone!"

09-01-2007, 08:06 AM	#11
phil Banned Member since:Aug 2007	I don't think I lost, I think it's the main reason why I was able to get films for 20-25 dollars so fast instead of 40 for each film. I think it's one of the reasons why I got my HD DVD player for 175 dollars and my PS3 for 500 dollars. I think it's one of the reasons why I got me Second Bravia LCD for my bedroom at a really good price of under 2 grand while being 1080p.

09-01-2007, 08:14 AM	#12
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7041 DVD collection:4040	phil, you know all you're talking lately is hd dvd this hd dvd that. Blu-ray site. Remember?

09-01-2007, 08:23 AM	#14
Blue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Melbourne Australia Blu-ray collection:206	Eventually - yes the consumer is the loser. The question is when should have everyone agreed?. Caved in at the start and had 8.4GB of highly compressed 720p? Or if there was no war could we have had 100GB Blu-ray disc's? One thing is certain the war has driven the price down faster than anyone could have imagined. This boils down to Toshiba determined to hang onto their DVD royalties and the rest of the industry determined not to pay them (I'm referring to the negotiations before Microsoft got in the middle of things). Look at the price of hardware HD-FUD players to sell (according to rumours) for under US$200 by Christmas! When you think about it except for the control software and the supporting electronics as well as a small lens - the HD-FUD and Blu players are identical. As we are talking the industry giant's I don't think anyone would be getting bigger discounts on volume, so price has crashed to the point I think one or more companies maybe actually subsidising the cost. The problem for the consumer that choose the wrong format is going to be left holding the baby?

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