Scream 5 (January 14, 2022)

[Alice91]

Originally Posted by bratpack

I wouldn't say Neve Campbell wasn't passionate about scream she did say she wouldn't come back unless the script or directors were right for the job it means a lot to her I think. Jamie lee is just better at BSing her way through the press to big up the movie she bigged up Halloween ends like it was this big epic journey with big messages and themes which is all horse shit I liked Halloween ends but a masterpiece it aint like JLC said lol remember though JLC salary for the new Halloween movies comes with Box Office bonuses so of course she's got more at stake with selling the movie.


Scream 3 was a huge ass mess in production lets be honest for neve it was a 3 week shoot during a time in her life where she was the new hot actress in Hollywood with role after role she said she was exhausted during this period of her career

Well I think Halloween Kills does have big themes and messages, especially in the times we are living in, the mob scene was definitely rushed and messy but it got the point across. Facing a shared enemy, people might become numb ti violence and become monsters. I thought the movie was actually going to end with Michael dying and Tommy taking his knife and his mask, so basically a new Michael Meyers as he is now the archetype of the villain, evil incarnate.

I love the Halloween franchise but in all seriousness none of the films are that great apart from the original, which is still very lacking if compared to many other horrors or giallos from the 70s. I think this new trilogy is the best than we can get and the best Halloween has ever been. And yes Jamie Lee is a savvy professional, she knows how to handles herself but she looks honestly passionate about the franchise.

Neve is iconic as Sid, I'm sure she is happy and proud about the franchise but sometimes she comes across as a bit fed up about being this final girl trope in a slasher franchise. What ultimately makes me second guess her in every interview is that she said she wasn't sure to jump on board Scream 2022 but then the script was good and she was ok. I mean how can you say the script is good when

[Show spoiler]Dewey is killed off unceremoniously and portraied as an old drunk turd while Sidney and Gale are barely in the movie just to sell it to the older fans??

I felt a little insulted and disrespected.

While I agree the franchise has to move away from the trio in order to have legs in the future, I think this movie did absolutely everything wrong and I'm sure they will keep turning it into a mess as it appears to be well received

Speaking of reception, how is it going at the box office? Seems it's around 50-55M globally, I wonder if it'll reach the 100M mark...seems out of reach at this point or not? Granted it has half the budget of Scream 4 and 3 (and it shows in every frame), it doesn't seem it's reinvigorated the franchise anymore than Scream 4.

[Farerb]

I thought Sidney was better written in Scream (2022) than she was in Scream 4.

[Show spoiler]She was much more active here than she was in Scream 4, came into the house knowing how deal with the killers, carrying a gun, calling out their bs phone pranks, she seemed like someone who really went through this, I didn't care for her helplessness in Scream 4, I also didn't like that movie club scene where people clap and she stands up and bows.

Honestly the only thing I think works well in Scream 4 is

[Show spoiler]that they let you think that Jill is the new "final girl" only to subvert it and reveal that she's the killer

. I also thought that while the whole social media seems more relevant today, it was still a pretty weak motive compared to 1-3 where the theme was about how parents damage their children, it's something that both the killers and Sidney had in common. I also agree with the criticism of the ill timed humor in Scream 4, while there was humor in 1-3, when shit got real it was real, there weren't characters who said "**** Bruce Willis" while literally dying.

As someone who cares more about the characters than the kills or the gore (which is why I admit I'm not that of a slasher fan because most of the times they have poor characters), I much prefer Scream 3 to Scream 4 (as much as I think Scream 3 is weaker than Scream and Scream 2), because at least the characters were consistent, Maureen was still the catalyst so it still felt part of the story that 1-3 told and Sidney's arc was completed.

As much as I was fine with the way Sidney was portrayed in Scream (2022), I still think it was a weak film and an unnecessary addition to the franchise, but I wouldn't be surprised if it got sequels now(something that Scream 4 failed to do) so I guess there's that. Personally I feel like this film series should have remained just a trilogy.

Not sure how I'd rank them since Scream and Scream 2 are the only ones I care about. It's funny because I actually remember that I only owned them on DVD back then so I pretty much always treated Scream as a duology.

[Alice91]

Originally Posted by Farerb

I thought Sidney was better written in Scream (2022) than she was in Scream 4.

[Show spoiler]She was much more active here than she was in Scream 4, came into the house knowing how deal with the killers, carrying a gun, calling out their bs phone pranks, she seemed like someone who really went through this, I didn't care for her helplessness in Scream 4, I also didn't like that movie club scene where people clap and she stands up and bows.

Honestly the only thing I think works well in Scream 4 is

[Show spoiler]that they let you think that Jill is the new "final girl" only to subvert it and reveal that she's the killer

. I also thought that while the whole social media seems more relevant today, it was still a pretty weak motive compared to 1-3 where the theme was about how parents damage their children, it's something that both the killers and Sidney had in common. I also agree with the criticism of the ill timed humor in Scream 4, while there was humor in 1-3, when shit got real it was real, there weren't characters who said "**** Bruce Willis" while literally dying.

As someone who cares more about the characters than the kills or the gore (which is why I admit I'm not that of a slasher fan because most of the times they have poor characters), I much prefer Scream 3 to Scream 4 (as much as I think Scream 3 is weaker than Scream and Scream 2), because at least the characters were consistent, Maureen was still the catalyst so it still felt part of the story that 1-3 told and Sidney's arc was completed.

As much as I was fine with the way Sidney was portrayed in Scream (2022), I still think it was a weak film and an unnecessary addition to the franchise, but I wouldn't be surprised if it got sequels now(something that Scream 4 failed to do) so I guess there's that. Personally I feel like this film series should have remained just a trilogy.

Not sure how I'd rank them since Scream and Scream 2 are the only ones I care about. It's funny because I actually remember that I only owned them on DVD back then so I pretty much always treated Scream as a duology.

The thing I like about Scream 4 is that Sid doesn't expect this to happen again to her in her hometown so I think that's why she went for a more confused character but when it's time to face ghostface she goes unarmed all ballsy and kicks ass.

I liked how she and gale were prepared in 2022 in the final act but it was too little and too late and while the rest of scream 4 was great (apart that bruce willis line, I agree it was hideous and the worst part of the movie), I can't say the same for Scream 2022.

But I agree, the trilogy does feel organic and coherent with 4 serving as a prank on reboot and remakes which does work with the franchise's spirit.

[Guy87]

I like the Bruce Willis line. It made me laugh.

Also, it's becoming more timely with age. I think about that line every time I see Bruce sleepwalking his way through another straight-to-dvd action snoozer.

[bratpack]

Originally Posted by Alice91

Well I think Halloween Kills does have big themes and messages, especially in the times we are living in, the mob scene was definitely rushed and messy but it got the point across. Facing a shared enemy, people might become numb ti violence and become monsters. I thought the movie was actually going to end with Michael dying and Tommy taking his knife and his mask, so basically a new Michael Meyers as he is now the archetype of the villain, evil incarnate.

I love the Halloween franchise but in all seriousness none of the films are that great apart from the original, which is still very lacking if compared to many other horrors or giallos from the 70s. I think this new trilogy is the best than we can get and the best Halloween has ever been. And yes Jamie Lee is a savvy professional, she knows how to handles herself but she looks honestly passionate about the franchise.

Neve is iconic as Sid, I'm sure she is happy and proud about the franchise but sometimes she comes across as a bit fed up about being this final girl trope in a slasher franchise. What ultimately makes me second guess her in every interview is that she said she wasn't sure to jump on board Scream 2022 but then the script was good and she was ok. I mean how can you say the script is good when

[Show spoiler]Dewey is killed off unceremoniously and portraied as an old drunk turd while Sidney and Gale are barely in the movie just to sell it to the older fans??

I felt a little insulted and disrespected.

While I agree the franchise has to move away from the trio in order to have legs in the future, I think this movie did absolutely everything wrong and I'm sure they will keep turning it into a mess as it appears to be well received

Speaking of reception, how is it going at the box office? Seems it's around 50-55M globally, I wonder if it'll reach the 100M mark...seems out of reach at this point or not? Granted it has half the budget of Scream 4 and 3 (and it shows in every frame), it doesn't seem it's reinvigorated the franchise anymore than Scream 4.

Myers is the bread and butter of the franchise there is no chance in hell that anyone but him would be the killer did you really think that he would be killed off knowing that ends is following it not a chance there box office would sink to the ocean for ends if they did that haha.


Neve always says she wasn’t sure BECAUSE of Wes every movie was directed by Wes and honestly it’s a miracle they turned out aswell as they did given the studio they were under the notorious Weinstein shithouse it’s speaks of how good craven is that he made S1-4 great consistent slasher movies

It’s a movie about passing the torch like a lot of legacy sequels the legacy characters were done very well imo not the main focus sure but they’ve been the main focus for 4 movies what else can you really do with them the new scream made some excellent bold moves with the trio that the franchise desperately needed after 3,4.

[Alice91]

Originally Posted by bratpack

Myers is the bread and butter of the franchise there is no chance in hell that anyone but him would be the killer did you really think that he would be killed off knowing that ends is following it not a chance there box office would sink to the ocean for ends if they did that haha.


Neve always says she wasn’t sure BECAUSE of Wes every movie was directed by Wes and honestly it’s a miracle they turned out aswell as they did given the studio they were under the notorious Weinstein shithouse it’s speaks of how good craven is that he made S1-4 great consistent slasher movies

It’s a movie about passing the torch like a lot of legacy sequels the legacy characters were done very well imo not the main focus sure but they’ve been the main focus for 4 movies what else can you really do with them the new scream made some excellent bold moves with the trio that the franchise desperately needed after 3,4.

Not to burst your bubble but the Weinsteins produced some of the best movies in recent history. The legal drama won't cancel that.

I find it hard to call bad writing a bold move but it's true this is the first scream that feels different, but not for the good reasons imho.

[bratpack]

Originally Posted by Alice91

Not to burst your bubble but the Weinsteins produced some of the best movies in recent history. The legal drama won't cancel that.

I find it hard to call bad writing a bold move but it's true this is the first scream that feels different, but not for the good reasons imho.

Yes obviously there’s some great movies to come out of the studio but they were notorious for meddling and screwing with the productions of the movies rob zombie done an interview talking about how dealing with them was a complete nightmare

You didn’t like it fair enough but that doesn’t mean it’s bad writing Dewey’s path in the new film is not that out of the blue given what they have been through. The writing was always on the wall with Dewey and Gales relationship as she always wanted bigger and better than woodsbro

[Alice91]

Originally Posted by bratpack

Yes obviously there’s some great movies to come out of the studio but they were notorious for meddling and screwing with the productions of the movies rob zombie done an interview talking about how dealing with them was a complete nightmare

You didn’t like it fair enough but that doesn’t mean it’s bad writing Dewey’s path in the new film is not that out of the blue given what they have been through. The writing was always on the wall with Dewey and Gales relationship as she always wanted bigger and better than woodsbro

Well I'm sure most producers with big bucks aren't that nice to work with, they must be control freaks but maybe it's because they know what work and what doesn't. To be honest I think the original scripts and ideas for Scream 2,3 and 4 were actually pretty lame and I am glad Bob Weinstein stepped in and forced Kevin Williamson to rewrite some parts, I am very satisfied with the final products they released. Scream 4 originally had to open with Sidney's presumably dying after killing a Ghostface attacker and then end on a cliffhanger with Jill surviving and returning as a main villain for 5 and 6 with a "I Know What You Did Last Summer" twist. Bob Weinstein made the decision to have a closed ending in Scream 4 and I think it worked for the best. Wes Craven also said he was happier with the end result than with the previous script and ideas.

Also I think Dewey and Gale had to separate, it was an organic evolution for their relationship, Gale was meant for bigger things. What I didn't like is how the trio was implemented in the plot compared to 4 where they were sidelined but still present and part of the cast. The pacing and scenes between characters were just off to me. And

[Show spoiler]if they really wanted to show us a defeated Dewey on a dark path, which was pretty out of character to me, at least they could've given him a more climatic and cathartic death and heroic send off, instead we had him dying alone against a teenage girl even if armed with a gun after he saved one of the killers. BS!Also still can't believe they actually thought that including a bastard daughter of 15 yo Billy Loomis with hallucinations of her dead dad was a good idea.

[spanky87]

I hope Neve got a big payday on this. The trailer and marketing relied heavily on her. She carried the press interviews.

Most of us knew what the deal was with this film (typical soft reboot with new lead), but the studio completely sold it on the OG cast. There was only one trailer, and it emphasized Sid, Gale, Dewey. Sidney being the most prominent in the trailer, poster and tv spots.

Anyway, let’s all appreciate this photoshoot Neve did this month to promote this thing.

The hot lava, Ghostface-slaying mama.

[Alice91]

I can't really picture a scream movie without the trio. I think they should have made a total reboot with new cast, new story, new setting and leave Sidney, Gale and Dewey alone and keep just easter eggs, maybe have cameos of actors from the previous movies. They written themselves into a corner with this requel/legacy sequel BS. Sometimes studios should be more daring, fans are open minded enough and actually it would have worked better from a creative standpoint too.

At this point it will be hard to swallow new movies without the OG cast knowing they do exist in the same universe as the passing of the torch wasn't effective and well executed at all. To be honest I'm not really sure any writer can come up with clever ideas on how to use them again while trying to focus on the new survivors... so good luck promoting Scream 2033 without using Neve in any trailer and promo material even if she has 4 lines.

[NI-Gunner]

I can't think about Scream 5 and how poor it was without getting depressed, however... I can't stop thinking about the 'Stab' sequence in the movie and how much I want to see THAT movie! Does anyone else think it'd be a lot of fun if they made an actual Stab movie or TV show as a creative, wacky, schlocky spin-off franchise, or is it just me?

[Britbuffguy]

Originally Posted by NI-Gunner

I can't think about Scream 5 and how poor it was without getting depressed, however... I can't stop thinking about the 'Stab' sequence in the movie and how much I want to see THAT movie! Does anyone else think it'd be a lot of fun if they made an actual Stab movie or TV show as a creative, wacky, schlocky spin-off franchise, or is it just me?

I'm still just waiting for someone to explain how it was explained in SCREAM 4 that Sidney sued the Stab producers and was not in STAB 4-8, but in SCREAM '22, they claim she was only not a character in STAB 8, hence the god-awful motive of the killer/killers.

Or are most people just ignoring that awful writing still, cause hey....we got a new Scream movie!!

[Alice91]

Originally Posted by Britbuffguy

I'm still just waiting for someone to explain how it was explained in SCREAM 4 that Sidney sued the Stab producers and was not in STAB 4-8, but in SCREAM '22, they claim she was only not a character in STAB 8, hence the god-awful motive of the killer/killers.

Or are most people just ignoring that awful writing still, cause hey....we got a new Scream movie!!

The more I hear about Scream 2022 the harder is to understand the good reception. A Scream 5 with time travels would have been better with Sidney going back in time trying to save her mother and Billy.

[AnthonyGG]

Originally Posted by spanky87

I hope Neve got a big payday on this. The trailer and marketing relied heavily on her. She carried the press interviews.

Most of us knew what the deal was with this film (typical soft reboot with new lead), but the studio completely sold it on the OG cast. There was only one trailer, and it emphasized Sid, Gale, Dewey. Sidney being the most prominent in the trailer, poster and tv spots.

I'm sure she did and you're 110% correct with everything you've said here. I stayed far away from the Scream TV series because it had nothing to do with the original films and cast. Had this been a remake instead of a requel, forget it, they know most fans would have stayed home so they brought the faves back and got us to pony up.

I didn't hate the new film but had plenty of issues with it and it most certainly ranks at the bottom of Scream film franchise for me. Neither of the new final girls can top Neve in those earlier films either. And damn she still looks killer

[Alice91]

Originally Posted by AnthonyGG

I'm sure she did and you're 110% correct with everything you've said here. I stayed far away from the Scream TV series because it had nothing to do with the original films and cast. Had this been a remake instead of a requel, forget it, they know most fans would have stayed home so they brought the faves back and got us to pony up.

I didn't hate the new film but had plenty of issues with it and it most certainly ranks at the bottom of Scream film franchise for me. Neither of the new final girls can top Neve in those earlier films either. And damn she still looks killer

As a big wes and scream fan, let me tell you you're missing a lot with the first two seasons. They are really good with likeable characters and tense moments. It's like the oc with killings.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by NI-Gunner

I can't stop thinking about the 'Stab' sequence in the movie and how much I want to see THAT movie! Does anyone else think it'd be a lot of fun if they made an actual Stab movie or TV show as a creative, wacky, schlocky spin-off franchise, or is it just me?

Not gonna lie, I was disappointed that that flame thrower bit turned out to just be a throwaway bit from Stab 8. I saw it in the trailer and thought it looked different and interesting, lmao.

[AnthonyGG]

Originally Posted by Alice91

As a big wes and scream fan, let me tell you you're missing a lot with the first two seasons. They are really good with likeable characters and tense moments. It's like the oc with killings.

It's nice to know they didn't completely f**k it up but to be completely honest, I'm not a fan of turning films into television or streaming service series. Some properties I enjoy as 90 minute escapes for fun and then back to the real world...even though yes I know the real world sucks lol.

[Alice91]

Originally Posted by AnthonyGG

It's nice to know they didn't completely f**k it up but to be completely honest, I'm not a fan of turning films into television or streaming service series. Some properties I enjoy as 90 minute escapes for fun and then back to the real world...even though yes I know the real world sucks lol.

I'm glad they used different characters, a different setting and a different mask. the first episode has a very good opening. It really captures the teenage, pop culture savvy dialogues of Kevin Williamson and the giallo mystery is pretty well implemented. Also the protagonist's mother is played by Tracy Middendorf who played Julie in Wes Craven's new nightmare.

[Me-Hostage]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

I find it also odd how Scream 2 is put on such a pedestal - not that I don't think it is also a great movie, as well, but my Goodness...how forgiving people are of the way over the top Laurie Metcalf reveal/Scooby Doo ending.

I thought Laurie Matcalf was one of the best things in Scream 2. She plays an annoying news reporter that you assumed would be a killer or be killed off. She was everywhere. And revealing her as Billy's mother, and having her go batsh*t crazy. A huge step up from "Jackie".

[Jill Valentine]

Originally Posted by Me-Hostage

I thought Laurie Matcalf was one of the best things in Scream 2. She plays an annoying news reporter that you assumed would be a killer or be killed off. She was everywhere. And revealing her as Billy's mother, and having her go batsh*t crazy. A huge step up from "Jackie".

Agreed. Scream 2 is my favourite Scream movie and Laurie was just, ugh, great.