Star Trek The Motion Picture Director's Edition 4K UHD/DLX (1979)

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Exterminans

The trailer is giving me some major "overuse of DNR" worries. Shatner's face looks odd in a couple of shots. He looks waxy. No grain in site. Looks too clean for a movie shot in the 70s. Will have to wait for the reviews and screencaps of course but it's discouraging.

We get a format that can truly capture the look of film and this is what we do with it.

Trailers are always heavily and poorly compressed. You shouldn't judge any film's picture quality based on a trailer. Wait for screen captures direct from the disc or the stream.

[Ernest Rister]

Time to get excited!

Start the countdown!

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Cook

Trailers are always heavily and poorly compressed. You shouldn't judge any film's picture quality based on a trailer. Wait for screen captures direct from the disc or the stream.

And I'd just wait for the disc for all that. The stream is for the movie, the disc is for the quality. Physical media can't be beat. Part of me hopes people take the streaming version for the fun of it and wait for the disc release before getting too critical about a/v, but then reality sets in.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Perhaps the re-compositing of the shots has brought down the amount of grain from what it was back in the day. Maybe the live action shots and the special effects shots now have a consistent amount of grain rather than fluctuating wildly.

Are the recomposites scanned from original 65mm elements? If then they should be improved by eliminating the composite dupe and the reduction to 35

[ghostof82]

Originally Posted by Thunderleg

It might even be a bit longer than the 136 if this is correct:



Which would make a 100 slightly more likely depending on the length of the new scenes.

I think he means those extra scenes will be added to a deleted scenes /extras section of the disc release, they are not being put into the movie.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Are the recomposites scanned from original 65mm elements? If then they should be improved by eliminating the composite dupe and the reduction to 35

Yeah but “making a movie for everyone to watch in 2022” sounds a bit like an excuse for actively getting rid of the grain in whatever shot, as they’re not all going to be recomposited (nor were they all shot on 65, there’s VV plus some flat 4-perf too). If it’s been done tastefully to balance out the various sources then that’s fine, but the fear is whether it’s been applied to the whole movie. I’m not sure they’ve gone that far, and it may yet be hard to discern fully without seeing it encoded to disc rather than a stream.

But still, it’s not long now. Eeeeeeeek!

[Deciazulado]

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[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by x43x

The Enterprise model used in the movie is on display at my work...pretty cool to gawk at it up close. Right outside my office is the Space Dock model used in III, IV, and TNG.

Trekkers are nitpickers and I'm going to nitpick

The Spacedock model was used in III, IV, and VI. They used stock footage from III (and only III) in TNG.

[mikesncc1701]

There's no way I'm waiting until September for this. I created a Paramount+ account last night specifically for this but I gotta say, looking at the amount of content, I might actually keep it. I'm rationalizing it as it costs monthly about what I make for just 20 minutes during a work day. I can't wait until tomorrow night!

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah but “making a movie for everyone to watch in 2022” sounds a bit like an excuse for actively getting rid of the grain in whatever shot, as they’re not all going to be recomposited (nor were they all shot on 65, there’s VV plus some flat 4-perf too). If it’s been done tastefully to balance out the various sources then that’s fine, but the fear is whether it’s been applied to the whole movie. I’m not sure they’ve gone that far, and it may yet be hard to discern fully without seeing it encoded to disc rather than a stream.

But still, it’s not long now. Eeeeeeeek!

I know. I have to admit all this grain talk has me worried. Careful DNR is not a bad thing in the right hands to even out a restoration (I think we could both guess quite a few restorations where it's been used, but people loved the results), but so often it's blanket DNR or ham-fisted partial DNR (like the theatrical TMP).

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Trekkers are nitpickers and I'm going to nitpick

The Spacedock model was used in III, IV, and VI. They used stock footage from III (and only III) in TNG.

I'm going to nitpick your nitpick - it appeared in TNG as a recomposited reuse of film elements, so classes as a new appearance as it isn't a flashback.

[mikesncc1701]

I'm not worried about any egregious DNR. If anything it'll be like when Cameron talked about degraining Aliens and that looked fantastic. These guys worked on the original Director's Edition and I remember in one of the special features they specifically mentioned adding grain to the new effects to make sure it lines up with the original elements. There's no way they're being this meticulous just to ruin it with a good old scrubbing.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

I'm going to nitpick your nitpick - it appeared in TNG as a recomposited reuse of film elements, so classes as a new appearance as it isn't a flashback.

I'm counting newly shot footage. They never pulled the model out of storage and put a camera on it for TNG.

By your measure it was also then in THE FINAL FRONTIER since ILM recomposited their footage from IV and used the entire takes.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I'm counting newly shot footage. They never pulled the model out of storage and put a camera on it for TNG.

By your measure it was also then in THE FINAL FRONTIER since ILM recomposited their footage from IV and used the entire takes.

Yes. If it appears in the fiction of the story as "new" material and not flashback then it appears, doesn't matter if a model was dusted off or not.

Mind you, I'm going to nit-pick myself now, because the Spacedock in TNG is a Spacedock, but isn't supposed to be the same one as in the movies IIRC.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by mikesncc1701

I'm not worried about any egregious DNR. If anything it'll be like when Cameron talked about degraining Aliens and that looked fantastic. These guys worked on the original Director's Edition and I remember in one of the special features they specifically mentioned adding grain to the new effects to make sure it lines up with the original elements. There's no way they're being this meticulous just to ruin it with a good old scrubbing.

True...but that was then. As when I look now at the newly done CG backgrounds for Starfleet HQ - albeit from poorly compressed trailers - they look nothing like film and certainly not the 5247 vintage this was shot on. And Fein was quite insistent about reshaping the film for 2022 audiences to remove that distracting grain stuff from the VFX.

I'm confident that this will be done more tastefully than what Paramount did to the theatrical cut 4K transfer, but it's not going to be the untouched paragon of filmic virtue that people assumed it would be either.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Not sweating the grain situation till later, from the recent spat of interviews it does not seem like the whole film has been degrained but a more targeted approach when wrangling some of the more grungy grainy VFX shots. I am however more concerned about how the HDR grading was handled.

Is it a sensible execution or has the HDR knob been turned up to eleven!
A shot that features the Lumetri Scopes of the work being done for the HDR has me just a tad concerned but I hope the final result is tasteful rather than scorching the retinas.

[starmike]

Grain has its purpose, but also remember that grain shouldn't be too noticeable when you project it on a massive screen vs. a very detailed monitor in a digital format.

Even during The Empire Strikes Back, Kodak was trying to fix the grain issue.

[puddy77]

Interview with Fein: https://gizmodo.com/star-trek-the-mo...ein-1848747926

[Croweyes1121]

Originally Posted by Exterminans

The trailer is giving me some major "overuse of DNR" worries. Shatner's face looks odd in a couple of shots. He looks waxy. No grain in site. Looks too clean for a movie shot in the 70s. Will have to wait for the reviews and screencaps of course but it's discouraging.

We get a format that can truly capture the look of film and this is what we do with it.

…and YouTube is NOT that format.

I must say that while you’re neither the first, 1000th, nor last person to make blanket assessments like these based on a YT trailer, I truly never tire of chuckling at the premature hyperbole.

[Jeyl]

Originally Posted by Bolty

It's live in Australia!

Already seeing pics of the new shots. Someone posted a shot of the new interior of the Starfleet Headquarters shuttle area. Love the new perspective looking out into San Francisco Bay.