Does every Blu-ray have some grain and some fuzz?

[Brady_2_Moss]

I am new to all of this stuff so bear with me....i have full metal jacket, dark knight and goodfellas all on blu-ray. Full metal jacket has soo much noise and grain in it. Goodfellas has some and the dark knight has some as well. Does every movie have some scenes with this?

[jomari]

some intentional, some due to the original material used to create the blu-ray, some, well, you get the picture.

there are a lot of blu-rays out there that have a prestine look to it, almost glassy enough to reflect no grain at all, and there are others, which are spackled like hell.

its a matter of preference, but then again, it depends on what appeals to you, and what bothers you as well.

movies that do not have or have minimal amount of grain are...

5...4...3...

[DetroitSportsFan]

Which version of Full Metal Jacket do you have?

The first release (white cover) was terrible, and the second release was better.

[ScarredLungs]

Originally Posted by Brady_2_Moss

I am new to all of this stuff so bear with me....i have full metal jacket, dark knight and goodfellas all on blu-ray. Full metal jacket has soo much noise and grain in it. Goodfellas has some and the dark knight has some as well. Does every movie have some scenes with this?

No, not all movies have grain. Most movies do have some grain though. The only movie that comes to mind with zero grain is Speed Racer.

Since you are new, here are a few helpful links

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=49232 << About Grain and why it is suppose to be there

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=6694 << If you need replacement blu cases

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=78743 << Best Video Quality Megathread

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=38161 <<< Why we love black bars

[JasonR]

Have you calibrated your television? Start by turning the sharpness down, this should help dramatically.

[Twankies08]

Originally Posted by cvm

No, not all movies have grain. Most movies do have some grain though. The only movie that comes to mind with zero grain is Speed Racer.

Since you are new, here are a few helpful links

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=49232 << About Grain and why it is suppose to be there

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=6694 << If you need replacement blu cases

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=78743 << Best Video Quality Megathread

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=38161 <<< Why we love black bars

Yeah I have to agree Speed Racer didnt have an ounce in grain in it when I was watching it! Speed Racer arguably has one of the best pictures on blu-ray!!

[Brady_2_Moss]

Originally Posted by JasonR

Have you calibrated your television? Start by turning the sharpness down, this should help dramatically.

I actually just did that for Full Metal Jacket and it got a lot better...thanks! Yes i have the first version..wish i waited for the second now

[SlmShdy1]

Originally Posted by Twankies08

Yeah I have to agree Speed Racer didnt have an ounce in grain in it when I was watching it! Speed Racer arguably has one of the best pictures on blu-ray!!

Usually movies like that have no grain, but I think (I haven't seen it on Blu yet) Sin City has intentional grain. Also, almost all CG animated films have no grain.

[ScarredLungs]

Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

Usually movies like that have no grain, but I think (I haven't seen it on Blu yet) Sin City has intentional grain. Also, almost all CG animated films have no grain.

+1 There will be some films that have grain added intentionally by the director.

[dadkins]

Speed Racer - Great PQ and not a speck of grain.

[neos_peace]

The grain just rpoves you are actually watching Blu-ray

Yea some have it a lot, some haev a little bit and other don't have any.

[SlmShdy1]

Originally Posted by neos_peace

The grain just rpoves you are actually watching Blu-ray

Agreed. When I was working at Walmart, I had some guy come up to me asking why he could see grain on the BD version of 300 and there was no grain on the DVD. I had to explain to him that because it's HD, it's showing you everything you're supposed to see, whereas, with a DVD, you lose out on the quality.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by cvm

No, not all movies have grain. Most movies do have some grain though. The only movie that comes to mind with zero grain is Speed Racer.

All films (that use a camera) have grain of some kind (including Speed Racer). Speed Racer has a very small amount of digital grain which is very different to film grain, but is still there (though on the blu it is barely noticable at any stage). [I thought I should point out cgi films like Pixar films don't have grain, but apart from that they all do in some form or another].

For the OP, many films use grain to emphasize certain aspects of the film (eg Quantum of Solace) or as a stylistic choice (eg: 300, Miami Vice).

I personally love the look of grain, but that is just a personal preference.

[sbjork]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

For the OP, many films use grain to emphasize certain aspects of the film (eg Quantum of Solace) or as a stylistic choice (eg: 300, Miami Vice).

A minor nitpick, but that shows how complicated this issue can be. There is no grain in Miami Vice since it was shot on HD digital cameras. While movies like 300 have deliberately added artificial grain back to a digital image, that is not the case with Miami Vice. What appears to be grain is in fact digital noise that appears during the extremely low-light nighttime shooting conditions.

So while any film shot on film has a grain structure, it may or may not be visible on Blu-Ray depending on the quality of the original elements, the kind of film stock used, and how the film was processed during its transfer to video. Even movies shot on HD may have artificial grain added back to them because the filmmakers like the look of grain (which is rather ironic.) A movie shot on HD may have digital noise that looks like grain. In some cases, any movie, whether shot on film or on video may have digital noise that is an artifact of the compression process.

The bottom line is that you will indeed see grain or noise on Blu-Rays. In most cases, it is a part of the film and is supposed to be there. (The exception would be the noise that is a compression artifact, but that is less common.)

[Suntory_Times]

^ Miami Vice is crawling with grain (albiet digitally added grain, although I may be mistaken on this point) as well as digital noise. Also HD cameras do have a natural digital grain (albiet often very hard to notice/see).

Also, I agree it is a complicated issue, but i'm still amazed that people hadn't noticed it at the cinemas (I remember noticing it when I was ten [or nine] years old at the movies and at first wondered what it was but was able to figure it out with a quick trip to the library).

[Simez]

Casino Royale, Bond's first kill, Black and White scene, close up of Craig looking at his victim = best grain in a HD movie every.

[RiseDarthVader]

Originally Posted by Simez

Casino Royale, Bond's first kill, Black and White scene, close up of Craig looking at his victim = best grain in a HD movie every.

Also an example of how grain can be used for story telling. In this case the scene in the toilet has courser grain then the 2nd kill. Martin Campbell even pointed it out in the commentary. Courser grain showed how rough Bond still was in that toilet fight scene.

Also 300 was not shot Digitally. It was shot on film at the speed of ISO 500 which lead to the huge amounts of grain you see in the final product.

Whether grain is there or not I will enjoy it as long as I know thats what the director intended the movie to look and not some guy turning the DNR up in the studio. Even if the director himself applies heavy DNR I am fine as long as it is his or hers intentional look.

[cathexist]

Cars doesn't have grain

[richieb1971]

I thought noise and grain were two different things. Both enemies of pristine PQ no doubt, but different causes and look make them very different to me.

I think noise is the better of the two evils, since its how its handled that effects most viewers. Its usually left be. Grain on the other hand is tackled without care and attention in some cases. What makes it worse is that some studios have proved with the right care and attention it can be dealt with satisfactorily to everyone. However, budgets and time constraints usually win the day in this bad bad world.

[OARmaster]

Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

Also 300 was not shot Digitally. It was shot on film at the speed of ISO 500 which lead to the huge amounts of grain you see in the final product.

Film grain was added in post-production.