The Shining 4K UHD (1980)

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by moreorless

Really its less a direct adaptation of the book and more Kubrick's commentary on it, basically rejecting the idea that nasty ghosts turn Jack evil and playing up that he only needed a bit of a push.

Kubrick was too damn smart when he did this horror film he was like 50 years before his time. Stephen King couldn't even comprehend it lmao!

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by English Patient

If anyone's curious, this website has a PDF of Kubrick's original treatment for The Shining. Very interesting to see that it's pretty faithful to the book, right down to the flashbacks and the finding of the scrapbook.

https://cinephiliabeyond.org/stanley...f-the-shining/

He filmed the finding of the scrapbook (it’s clearly evident on Jack’s desk, next to the typewriter) but deleted the scene.

[English Patient]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

He filmed the finding of the scrapbook (it’s clearly evident on Jack’s desk, next to the typewriter) but deleted the scene.

I know - there's even a photo of that scene in the link I gave. Somewhere online a couple years ago I found the script dialogue from the scene where Jack tells Wendy about the scrapbook but I can't find it now.

Here's another shot of that deleted scene where he finds the scrapbook:

https://www.sensesofcinema.com/2020/...the-scrapbook/

[Christian Muth]

I'd love to see the deleted scenes with Jack finding the scrap book and discussing it with Wendy someday, even more so than the hospital coda. I read somewhere where co-screenwriter Diane Johnson said she didn't agree with Kubrick cutting those scenes, but of course she had no say in the matter.

Chris

[KubrickKurasawa]

Hint: The reason they go crazy is not because of Ullman or a Scrapbook

[English Patient]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Hint: The reason they go crazy is not because of Ullman or a Scrapbook

And pretty much nobody has said that they did. People are just interested in the deleted material and the evolution of the script/filming.

[deet]

Originally Posted by moreorless

Really its less a direct adaptation of the book and more Kubrick's commentary on it, basically rejecting the idea that nasty ghosts turn Jack evil and playing up that he only needed a bit of a push.

"What if, and hear me out here, what if Jack was a putz who was always destined to be a crazy ax murderer, and he just needed a little push? And by 'little push', I of course mean 'being trapped in an empty hotel with an unstoppable supernatural force that tempts him with illusions of glamour and unlimited supplies of magic booze'?"

"Wow, that's completely different than what happens in the book! Stanley, you maniac, you did it again!"

Sure is weird that people have to keep rolling out these asspulls to defend Saint Kubrick's decisions, even though it's obvious the production design, backstage drama, and deconstruction/theorycrafting of the movie are more interesting than the story within the movie itself.

[English Patient]

Originally Posted by deet

Sure is weird that people have to keep rolling out these asspulls to defend Saint Kubrick's decisions, even though it's obvious the production design, backstage drama, and deconstruction/theorycrafting of the movie are more interesting than the story within the movie itself.

It's also strange that much of the praise of Kubrick is inevitably accompanied by a weirdly visceral attack on Stephen King - he's dumb, he's a hack, he doesn't understand anything, he'd be nothing without Kubrick, etc etc. Simply because King didn't much like the adaptation and had his reasons. It's like everything Kubrick does is sheer genius and everything King does is the opposite and he's a horrible person.

[moreorless]

Originally Posted by deet

"What if, and hear me out here, what if Jack was a putz who was always destined to be a crazy ax murderer, and he just needed a little push? And by 'little push', I of course mean 'being trapped in an empty hotel with an unstoppable supernatural force that tempts him with illusions of glamour and unlimited supplies of magic booze'?"

"Wow, that's completely different than what happens in the book! Stanley, you maniac, you did it again!"

Sure is weird that people have to keep rolling out these asspulls to defend Saint Kubrick's decisions, even though it's obvious the production design, backstage drama, and deconstruction/theorycrafting of the movie are more interesting than the story within the movie itself.

I mean the point of making the Shining at all was surely that he did like elements of the King book but I do think the changes made shift the story quite a bit.

The threat becomes less externalised and more in Jacks nature as an arrogant abusive man and if you like to read social/political allusions into it that the violence of colonialism is in society in general including Jack.

I do think it also shifts the story more away from Danny by downplaying the more supernatural aspects and towards Wendy, really it becomes the story of an abused woman standing up to her husband.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by English Patient

And pretty much nobody has said that they did. People are just interested in the deleted material and the evolution of the script/filming.

Well, I've looked at them both and it's you don't need to see 10 drafts of a movie. Just the final movie and Directors Cut which is what is on the 4K UHD. My apoligiesapolologgies.

[English Patient]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Well, I've looked at them both and it's you don't need to see 10 drafts of a movie. Just the final movie and Directors Cut which is what is on the 4K UHD. My apoligiesapolologgies.

So basically no one should ever talk about anything related to this movie unless it has to do with the American or European cut? No one should ever discuss the making of the movie, the evolution of the script, etc?

No one "needs" to see "10 drafts of a movie." But for people who like a certain movie, it's interesting to see how a movie developed, what got cut out, what got emphasized. Lots of film writers write books about this stuff because it's interesting. Not sure why you're so intolerant of people talking about things like this.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by English Patient

So basically no one should ever talk about anything related to this movie unless it has to do with the American or European cut? No one should ever discuss the making of the movie, the evolution of the script, etc?

No one "needs" to see "10 drafts of a movie." But for people who like a certain movie, it's interesting to see how a movie developed, what got cut out, what got emphasized. Lots of film writers write books about this stuff because it's interesting. Not sure why you're so intolerant of people talking about things like this.

Well, I have been a fan of this movie since 1990 when I saw it on TV at a friend's house. I think I have seen this film and 2001 the most out of any films ever made! Maybe Ugetsu also. I have tried to figure out this movie for decades, and there is only one way this movie works, and there is only 1 cut that makes it all work as Stanley intended. BTW this isn't Blade Runner or any other type of movie. This is a movie that requires a higher education to understand and I will leave it at that unless someone wants it fully explained. I can explain it it's simple, but everyone jumps to some crazy conclusions and ideas. There is only 1 explanation and when you get it you see all those other cut scenes and internet web theories are completely off but albeit extremely entertaining to entertain but false and misguiding.

5 Cuts and extra cuts are for generic movies The Shining is a film that no one even attempted to imitate in theory until recently and no one can imitate in style thus far. It's stood alone for decades as completely unique. Some people are attempting The Shinings style finally.

Let me ask you do you see this film as having 1 set of reason for everything that happens in The Overlook Hotel or a neverending amount of reasons? That's really all the clues a person NEEDS and listen to Kubricks interviews and answers, and I wouldn't want to spoil this for anyone. I'm sorry I have upset you you sound upset.

[English Patient]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Let me ask you do you see this film as having 1 set of reason for everything that happens in The Overlook Hotel or a neverending amount of reasons? That's really all the clues a person NEEDS and listen to Kubricks interviews and answers, and I wouldn't want to spoil this for anyone. I'm sorry I have upset you you sound upset.

No, not upset, just puzzled. I'm not even talking about the meaning of the movie - I'm talking about the making of the movie, the actual production. Which I find interesting - the stylistic choices, the actors, the props, the deleted scenes, etc. The interpretation of the story is an entirely separate subject.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Well, I have been a fan of this movie since 1990 when I saw it on TV at a friend's house. I think I have seen this film and 2001 the most out of any films ever made! Maybe Ugetsu also. I have tried to figure out this movie for decades, and there is only one way this movie works, and there is only 1 cut that makes it all work as Stanley intended. BTW this isn't Blade Runner or any other type of movie. This is a movie that requires a higher education to understand and I will leave it at that unless someone wants it fully explained. I can explain it it's simple, but everyone jumps to some crazy conclusions and ideas. There is only 1 explanation and when you get it you see all those other cut scenes and internet web theories are completely off but albeit extremely entertaining to entertain but false and misguiding.

5 Cuts and extra cuts are for generic movies The Shining is a film that no one even attempted to imitate in theory until recently and no one can imitate in style thus far. It's stood alone for decades as completely unique. Some people are attempting The Shinings style finally.

Let me ask you do you see this film as having 1 set of reason for everything that happens in The Overlook Hotel or a neverending amount of reasons? That's really all the clues a person NEEDS and listen to Kubricks interviews and answers, and I wouldn't want to spoil this for anyone. I'm sorry I have upset you you sound upset.

Oh. Chr!st.

[moreorless]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

This is a movie that requires a higher education to understand and I will leave it at that unless someone wants it fully explained. I can explain it it's simple, but everyone jumps to some crazy conclusions and ideas. There is only 1 explanation and when you get it you see all those other cut scenes and internet web theories are completely off but albeit extremely entertaining to entertain but false and misguiding..

Its a great film that does have a good deal of intelligence to it but to be frank I think most of the analysis around it is more like conspiracy theory culture which Kubrick would laugh at and indeed may have been deliberately ****ing with when he made it.

Rather than focus on what makes the film sucessful this analysis seems to be mostly focused on pushing a pet theory about the film to play to peoples egos, that they have discovered the "grand secret" and you to can be just as smart as them if you watch a few Youtube videos.

Not to say there arent interesting little extras Kubrick put into the film but I think to claim that some theory built on them is the main attraction of the film is missing the point.

Honestly I think most of the analysis around Blade Runner is actually a good deal more intelligent and less conspiracy bro focused, its more engaged with the films actual intent rather than going down wild rabbit holes based on a few small details.

[CreasyBear]

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

Well, I have been a fan of this movie since 1990 when I saw it on TV at a friend's house. I think I have seen this film and 2001 the most out of any films ever made! Maybe Ugetsu also. I have tried to figure out this movie for decades, and there is only one way this movie works, and there is only 1 cut that makes it all work as Stanley intended. BTW this isn't Blade Runner or any other type of movie. This is a movie that requires a higher education to understand and I will leave it at that unless someone wants it fully explained. I can explain it it's simple, but everyone jumps to some crazy conclusions and ideas. There is only 1 explanation and when you get it you see all those other cut scenes and internet web theories are completely off but albeit extremely entertaining to entertain but false and misguiding.

5 Cuts and extra cuts are for generic movies The Shining is a film that no one even attempted to imitate in theory until recently and no one can imitate in style thus far. It's stood alone for decades as completely unique. Some people are attempting The Shinings style finally.

Let me ask you do you see this film as having 1 set of reason for everything that happens in The Overlook Hotel or a neverending amount of reasons? That's really all the clues a person NEEDS and listen to Kubricks interviews and answers, and I wouldn't want to spoil this for anyone. I'm sorry I have upset you you sound upset.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

BTW this isn't Blade Runner or any other type of movie. This is a movie that requires a higher education to understand and I will leave it at that...

5 Cuts and extra cuts are for generic movies

[James Luckard]

It's weird for anyone to proclaim the US cut on 4K to be the "director's cut."

I've never read anything stating that Kubrick felt the US cut was superior to his later overseas cut.

Since that cut was the result of further contemplation on his part, and since he often cut his movies after they had been released, like 2001, it's not illogical to call the overseas cut the director's cut. He had decades to remove it from circulation on video if he changed his mind and reverted to preferring the US cut.

He left both out there in the world, so he clearly liked both.

I find both cuts valid, and (brace for sacrilege) I actually prefer the tighter overseas cut in many ways.

[captainsolo]

For this film a proper archival release would include both US and UK/European cuts and the original mono for each. It would also be fantastic if any of the deleted materials survive (which at least some probably do) for the estate to agree to their inclusion or at least allow for a dedicated extra about them.
But it's WB so all of that's a no.