Disney Movie Club Exclusive Blu-ray Releases

[Farerb]

Yes, we got those Goofy shorts and this Givenchy commercial:

GIVENCHY | The Disney x Givenchy Collaboration - 101 Dalmatians - YouTube

What a treat!

[gwfb5]

Originally Posted by romuald121

What is the argument exactly? We base our opinion on final product not on who did it. Frozen was a missed opportunity for Disney to go into another 2D (hopeful) Renaissance period like they did back in the 90s. But Disney likes cheap so they went with the 3D animation instead and messed up the story royally , you can find on this page what could have resulted: https://insidethemagic.net/2014/07/f...awn-animation/

Originally Posted by Brayden96

There is no argument, I am simply saying it's no surprise you wouldn't like their modern movies when the person incharge made movies you didn't like.

Jen Lee let them do hand drawn for those Goofy shorts, she has no issue with it. The simple fact is hand drawn movies cost more and don't make as much money. And if their movies don't make money we go right back to 2004 when they were seriously considering ending the studio. Simple business.

Can I get a citation on 3D animation being cheaper than 2D?
It is true that 2D films generally don't make anywhere near as much profit, which's what studios care about.

Examples of animated film budgets from the late-90s to today.

2D
The Prince of Egypt - 60-70 million USD
Mulan - 90 million USD
The Iron Giant - 50 million USD
Tarzan - 130 million USD
Fantasia 2000 - 80 million USD
The Road to El Dorado - 95 million USD
Atlantis: The Lost Empire - 120 million USD
Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron - 80 million USD
Treasure Planet - 140 million USD
Lilo & Stitch - 80 million USD
Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas - 60 million USD
Brother Bear - 46 million USD
The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie - 30 million USD
Home on the Range - 110 million USD
The Simpsons Movie - 75 million USD
The Princess and the Frog - 105 million USD
Winnie the Pooh (2011) - 30 million USD
The Bob's Burgers Movie - 38 million USD

3D
Antz - 60 million USD
Monsters, Inc. - 115 million USD
Shrek - 60 million USD
Finding Nemo - 94 million USD
Shrek 2 - 125-150 million USD
The Incredibles - 92 million USD
Chicken Little - 150 million USD
Cars - 120 million USD
Meet the Robinsons - 150 million USD
Kung Fu Panda - 130 million USD
WALL-E - 180 million USD
Up - 175 million USD
Toy Story 3 - 200 million USD
How to Train Your Dragon - 165 million USD
Tangled - 260 million USD
Frozen - 150 million USD
The Lego Movie - 60–65 million
Moana - 150–175 million
Encanto - 120–150 million USD
Turning Red - 175 million USD
Lightyear - 200 million USD
Minions: The Rise of Gru - 80 million USD

[Glorian]

The two concepts aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. It's perfectly possible to have a traditionally animated movie cost more to produce than an equivalent computer animated movie, but for the computer animated movie to have the same or higher budget.

For example, if it cost 30 million to animate a movie traditionally, and only 20 million to use CG of equivalent quality, you might still spend the 10 million you saved on making it more detailed or elaborate, since you have the extra money to do so. Or you might use it to offer more to the actors, to sweeten offers or make it easier to get the actors you want. Or any number of other things. And since CG films are perceived to sell more, you'd be willing to spend more on a film that you would expect to have a higher return.

Not saying for sure CG is or isn't cheaper, just that you couldn't necessarily tell from film budgets.

[gwfb5]

Originally Posted by Glorian

The two concepts aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. It's perfectly possible to have a traditionally animated movie cost more to produce than an equivalent computer animated movie, but for the computer animated movie to have the same or higher budget.

For example, if it cost 30 million to animate a movie traditionally, and only 20 million to use CG of equivalent quality, you might still spend the 10 million you saved on making it more detailed or elaborate, since you have the extra money to do so. Or you might use it to offer more to the actors, to sweeten offers or make it easier to get the actors you want. Or any number of other things. And since CG films are perceived to sell more, you'd be willing to spend more on a film that you would expect to have a higher return.

Not saying for sure CG is or isn't cheaper, just that you couldn't necessarily tell from film budgets.

That's very well said.

I geuss the point I was trying to make was that saying Disney, or any other major western studio, won't make 2D films because they're "too expensive" is simply wrong.
It's all about profits, and popularity to a lesser extent I soppose.

If you watch The PIXAR Story, which I recommend you do, it breafly goes into some of the proposed 3D projects that never got off the ground in the 80s-90s becouse "The only way we'd do computer-animation is if it were faster & cheaper". (I'm paraphrasing because it's been a wile since I've watched it, but you get the idea.)

Of course, then CG-films started to absolutely dominate at the boxoffice, and they still do, which's why studios can justify giving them huge budets.

If they thought they could make 2D films for about half of what they're spending on an average 3D film, and make the same kind of money, they absolutely would.
But many of the 2D films in my previous post failed to even break-even.
There's just not enough interest from general audiences to make 2D films profitable, as much as it hurts to say that.
Even if you made a really low-budgeted 2D film that was profitable, it would just make more sense to spend that time making a medium to high-budget 3D film that's more likely to make huge $$$$.

Out of the top 50 highest-grossing animated films, only 2 of them are 2D.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...animated_films

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by cupajoemug

Can someone please confirm: Are the slipcovers that came with Cruella and Luca blu rays Disney Exclusives, or were those also sold in stores? The slips are different from the actual artwork of the blu ray cases.

As far as I know Disney stopped providing slipcovers for standard Blu-rays and only the DMC exclusives have them.

[gpn]

Originally Posted by romuald121

Given the success of Frozen, Disney does not see the need to revive its 2D animation department, so we won't see any in the foreseeable future. So thanks Frozen, you ruined it for everyone.

The success of Frozen didn't kill 2D animation at Disney, the failures of Treasure Planet and Princess and the Frog killed it.

Originally Posted by gwfb5

Can I get a citation on 3D animation being cheaper than 2D?

Don't you know you just have to press a couple buttons on the keyboard to make a 3D animated film? The computer does all the work. /s

[Brayden96]

Originally Posted by gpn

The success of Frozen didn't kill 2D animation at Disney, the failures of Treasure Planet and Princess and the Frog killed it.




Don't you know you just have to press a couple buttons on the keyboard to make a 3D animated film? The computer does all the work. /s

Can't forget about Home on the Range.

[romuald121]

Originally Posted by Brayden96

Can't forget about Home on the Range.

There was a five year hiatus between Home on the range and Princess and the frog followed by Winnie the Pooh 2011. Ultimately, Princess and the frog did not attain Disney execs expectations so what followed was 3D.

In terms of what is cheap or what is not, I can tell you that Disney's Sleeping Beauty will still be regarded as a classic 10+ years and more from now. Can't say the same about Frozen though. There's so much love and care that gets life through 2D animation while 3D , IMO, as polished as they try to make it as life like as 2D animation, it will still look cold, dead and uninspiring to my eyes.

[Farerb]

Originally Posted by Brayden96

Can't forget about Home on the Range.

Disney decided to stop doing Hand Drawn animated films after Treasure Planet underperformed and before Home on the Range was released.

Ultimately I think Disney made a mistake abandoning Hand Drawn animation, they should have kept doing it even if they hadn't released a film a year, but one every five years.

[girlfightmovie]

Not to mention its "Exclusive Club Covers" dominating re-releases. There is still much to release from the Walt catalog but I fear as newGens are introduced to the clubthey'll change the landscape and we'll get more post 2000 BS as DMC Exclusives.

Like how much is it to ask for Child of Glass or M. Boogedy on Bluray? Or even multi packs of multiple unrelated movies especially if they're gonna charge $20-40 for these Exclusives

Originally Posted by gwfb5

Okay, by all means, let's talk about the latest exclusive title...
When was the last time one of those was announced again?

[romuald121]

Originally Posted by Farerb

Disney decided to stop doing Hand Drawn animated films after Treasure Planet underperformed and before Home on the Range was released.

Ultimately I think Disney made a mistake abandoning Hand Drawn animation, they should have kept doing it even if they hadn't released a film a year, but one every five years.

Yeah, the company needs to remember that not all Disney's Classics were hits at the time of release, might have been because of war or because the work was ahead of its time, definitely the latter. Disney should focus back to the legacy 2D animation brought to the name of its company and worry less about money cash grabs. One might say Walt Disney might have turned so many times in his grave in result to the Disney's politics nowadays that he might have dug himself a new hole in his grave

[Vw Driver]

Originally Posted by merlinjones

Still waiting for The Three Lives of Thomasina, That Darn Cat!, Summer Magic, The Moon-Spinners, The Shaggy Dog, Third Man of the Mountain, The Misadventures of Merlin Jones, The Monkey's Uncle, Kidnapped, The Sign of Zorro (or series), So Dear to My Heart, Song of the South, The Sword in the Stone (remastered), The Story of Robin Hood, The Light in the Forest, The Great Locomotive Chase, The Incredible Journey, The Happiest Millionaire, The Prince and the Pauper (62) plus any cartoons and TV episodes I can get.

So there is more in the vault and they're just lazy in 2022.

[Gmamalis6]

I would love an Alien (1979) and Aliens (1986) Double Feature Blu-ray/DVD/Digital Copy release by Disney Movie Club Exclusive. And the artwork if I may to have Ripley next to the Alien logo and Newt next to the Aliens logo. How does this sound?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Gmamalis6

I would love an Alien (1979) and Aliens (1986) Double Feature Blu-ray/DVD/Digital Copy release by Disney Movie Club Exclusive. And the artwork if I may to have Ripley next to the Alien logo and Newt next to the Aliens logo. How does this sound?

Watch out for that bus because that's more likely to happen than this.

[Ernest Rister]

Anyone else get the Disney Movie Club survey today? Some interesting ideas floated in there (such as digital purchases, and choosing one of four titles a month versus the single title offer)...I made sure to hammer home Exclusive Live-Action and Animation titles on physical media as my chief reason for staying in the club.

[ukulelemonster]

Originally Posted by Vw Driver

So there is more in the vault and they're just lazy in 2022.

There's currently 60+ movies on my Disney wishlist. And this list doesn't include the Disney tv shows, Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures, or even Fox titles. So, yeah, there's quite a few Disney films in the vault.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Anyone else get the Disney Movie Club survey today? Some interesting ideas floated in there (such as digital purchases, and choosing one of four titles a month versus the single title offer)...I made sure to hammer home Exclusive Live-Action and Animation titles on physical media as my chief reason for staying in the club.

Nothing yet.

[Schmegory]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Anyone else get the Disney Movie Club survey today? Some interesting ideas floated in there (such as digital purchases, and choosing one of four titles a month versus the single title offer)...I made sure to hammer home Exclusive Live-Action and Animation titles on physical media as my chief reason for staying in the club.

I got it. Was very interested that they seemed to be floating the idea of releasing Disney+ content on disc as DMC exclusives.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Schmegory

I got it. Was very interested that they seemed to be floating the idea of releasing Disney+ content on disc as DMC exclusives.

I'd pounce on a physical disc of The Mandalorian like Tigger on a trampoline.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I'd pounce on a physical disc of The Mandalorian like Tigger on a trampoline.

The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Andor...