Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by PUsokrJosh305

Have you made sure the HDMI mode on your TV is set to just HDMI 2.0? It's possible the Auto setting maybe messing up the communication with the Panasonic 820 player.

Yes that is also set correctly. Again it's baffling and I just need a different player so it will work.

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Yes that is also set correctly. Again it's baffling and I just need a different player so it will work.

At the same moment, you don't even know if it will work either. It could be a TV issue.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Yes that is also set correctly. Again it's baffling and I just need a different player so it will work.

I would bet it's your TV, not the player. Strange things happen with my secondary TCL all the time.



This will be my last TCL display. If you need a cheap one and cannot afford something like an LG or Sony OLED, the Hisense U8H is a better model than the TCL's.

[panasonicst60]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Yes that is also set correctly. Again it's baffling and I just need a different player so it will work.

Instead of looking to change out your great uhd player, maybe you should be looking to change your TV to an OLED instead. They are so affordable now compared to a few years ago. Sales do pop up a lot from time to time.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I would bet it's your TV, not the player. Strange things happen with my secondary TCL all the time.



This will be my last TCL display. If you need a cheap one and cannot afford something like an LG or Sony OLED, the Hisense U8H is a better model than the TCL's.

ok but I keep hearing the U8H has bad motion issues.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

ok but I keep hearing the U8H has bad motion issues.

A firmware update took care of that. However, some were confusing 24 fps movie friendly settings with motion enhancement that creates a Soap Opera Effect. Some think the SOE is a good thing... however, it couldn't be further from the truth.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

A firmware update took care of that. However, some were confusing 24 fps movie friendly settings with motion enhancement that creates a Soap Opera Effect. Some think the SOE is a good thing... however, it couldn't be further from the truth.

So you are saying I can get decent motion without SOE?

[mdhaus]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

Bough another Panasonic UB820 and the exact same results. Menus blacked out and drop outs started right away.

Can anyone recommend another player? I know the Panasonic is the best thing right now but....how about the second best thing. I just need something that can play discs dependably. Thanks.

It's not the player....which is why you had the same problem even after you tried a new one. It's your TV - There's a software glitch that impacts some Dolby Vision lettering content and the dropouts may either be a motherboard issue, or just another example of the glitch. If two separate players are creating the same result, my guess is that you'd be better off with a different TV instead.

The reason why I don't think it's player-based is that if I take my player (the 9000) that is on the TV with the glitch and move it to a different series of TCL TV, then there are no problems with any Dolby Vision content or anything at all. And if I then take my 820 that is normally hooked up to that other TCL...and move it to the TCL 75-inch that has the glitch, then I do get the glitch. This means that the glitch is in that particular TV model's software and is not tied to the player.

[mdhaus]

Originally Posted by PuppetMasterBlu

So you are saying I can get decent motion without SOE?

One more thing to try...although you may have already done this: What happens when you turn off Dolby Vision in your disc player and instead have it output HDR only? For me, on discs where the glitch has shown up, the TV has no problem displaying everything correctly if I simply pop the output to standard HDR. I don't typically do this, though, as the glitch for me generally only impacts the menus and I can still generally make out the selections when it happens.

[PuppetMasterBlu]

Originally Posted by mdhaus

One more thing to try...although you may have already done this: What happens when you turn off Dolby Vision in your disc player and instead have it output HDR only? For me, on discs where the glitch has shown up, the TV has no problem displaying everything correctly if I simply pop the output to standard HDR. I don't typically do this, though, as the glitch for me generally only impacts the menus and I can still generally make out the selections when it happens.

Yes when I turn off Dolby Vision the menus come back fine but I still get drop outs so it isn't a good work around.

And I know it's a problem with the TCL but im betting it's only with Panasonic Players. Another brand player probably would fix the issue but I have decided to take the advice here and get the Hisense U8H.

[samuelkhan999]

CES 2023 has released the OLED wars. MLAOLED vs QDOLED. We are seeing the new OLED's from Samsung and LG hitting upto 2100 nits now. Will Panasonic update their HDR Optimiser as it maxes to 1500 nits for Super LED TV's(OLED capped at 1000 nits)?

It would be nice if they give us a feature where we could enter the min and max nits depending of the flavour of the TV and based on those numbers the HDR Optimiser does its thing

[chip75]

Originally Posted by samuelkhan999

It would be nice if they give us a feature where we could enter the min and max nits depending of the flavour of the TV and based on those numbers the HDR Optimiser does its thing

Things like that should have been implemented from the start, we should have had the HDR info on the box and the ability to customize things as well as Auto functions for those inclined.

Consoles are so customizable now, I think it's almost ingrained in consumers to adjust things for performance.

But if your display is hitting 2,000 nits, you're not going to need the Optimizer that much.

Also I mentioned the LG's HDR Signaling Override (which I think could cap incoming signals) menu the other day and went to find some more stuff on it, unfortunately I stumbled upon a YouTube response video and my I.Q. took a hit I couldn't afford.

[mkozlows]

Originally Posted by samuelkhan999

It would be nice if they give us a feature where we could enter the min and max nits depending of the flavour of the TV and based on those numbers the HDR Optimiser does its thing

Or you could just let the entirely-capable (and faster, newer, higher-end) SoC in the TV, which intimately knows the TVs capabilities, do all the tone-mapping instead and not bother with source-level tone-mapping for movies.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by chip75

Things like that should have been implemented from the start, we should have had the HDR info on the box and the ability to customize things as well as Auto functions for those inclined.

Consoles are so customizable now, I think it's almost ingrained in consumers to adjust things for performance.

But if your display is hitting 2,000 nits, you're not going to need the Optimizer that much.

Also I mentioned the LG's HDR Signaling Override (which I think could cap incoming signals) menu the other day and went to find some more stuff on it, unfortunately I stumbled upon a YouTube response video and my I.Q. took a hit I couldn't afford.

Ouch, sorry to hear that chip. I hope your IQ recovers but in the meantime stay away from YouTube! I swear I get dumber just by looking at the ridiculous thumbnails, never mind actually watching the things.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ouch, sorry to hear that chip. I hope your IQ recovers but in the meantime stay away from YouTube! I swear I get dumber just by looking at the ridiculous thumbnails, never mind actually watching the things.

When you hear, "I know what I'm talking about!", alarm bells start ringing.

[nick4Knight]

People that keep parroting the 2000+ nits figure for QD OLED without the caveat of how that was measured is getting really quite prevalent. That was the out of box uncalibrated colour temperature (9500K? or so).

Once it was pegged to D65 white point the peak nits for 10% is 1500 or so. 2100 is just show off numbers kind of like a demo/vivid showcase implementation.

[Hydra Spectre]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

People that keep parroting the 2000+ nits figure for QD OLED without the caveat of how that was measured is getting really quite prevalent. That was the out of box uncalibrated colour temperature (9500K? or so).

Once it was pegged to D65 white point the peak nits for 10% is 1500 or so. 2100 is just show off numbers kind of like a demo/vivid showcase implementation.

According to r/OLED_gaming, the LG G3 can get brighter in 10% APL at 1500 nits while the Samsung S95C is 200 nits darker. However, in 100% APL, the LG G3 only hits 200 nits while the Samsung S95C hits 250 nits.
And this is apparently after being calibrated.
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming...nded_settings/, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...-n5qkN/pubhtml
Do note that these are most likely calculated guesses, as nobody actually has them yet.

I can't believe it, but Reddit of all places has the best settings for calibrating LG OLED TVs. Too bad they don't have any calibration settings for other brands yet.

[samuelkhan999]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

People that keep parroting the 2000+ nits figure for QD OLED without the caveat of how that was measured is getting really quite prevalent. That was the out of box uncalibrated colour temperature (9500K? or so).

Once it was pegged to D65 white point the peak nits for 10% is 1500 or so. 2100 is just show off numbers kind of like a demo/vivid showcase implementation.

The reason of bringing up CES 2023 is not that I'm excited about 2100 nits (practically 1500 nits now that MZ2000 is announced). My question is regards to the relevance to the HDR OPTIMISER now that OLED has broken the 1000 nit. Vincent Teoh is concerned about OLED burn in as well.

I've got a LG OLEDBX and Samsung QN94a. BX maxes at 600-700 nits at some size window and QN94a maxes at 1500-1650nits. The tone mapping of the BX is very good compared to my QN94a. Movies like the US BR2049 tone maps properly with or without HDR optimiser on the BX. When I play the same movie on the QN94a, the Samsung makes the movie go brighter with or without HDR Optimiser (Geoff D commented on this and on another 10000 nit mastering discussion stated that the mastering display numbers entered is an error; this is the long and short of the discussions)

There are no new 4k Blu ray players announced and literally UB820/9000 are one of the best. My comment is mainly about the fact it would be nice that the HDR Optimiser needs to be updated to the times. A new option should be added where one can enter the number of nits based on the Rtings page. That's all

[uncledougie]

I got the 9000 on sale during the Christmas discount season. It took me until last night to completely set it up and connect it to the home network, etc. When I tried to do an update, it said the software version was up to date, which I guess is possible but I found hard to believe. I was trying to watch it witt try h audio going through the home theater receiver but video directly to HDMI 4, but I wasn’t getting any sound, so had to reconnect it to the main video out that includes sound. May experiment later but that said Gladiator, which one of the nephews wanted to see, looked and sounded great. The dogs barking in the surround sounds upset the new puppy, but she finally calmed down. She has made it through Ben-Hur and Gone with the Wind, so she’s already a pro.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by uncledougie

I got the 9000 on sale during the Christmas discount season. It took me until last night to completely set it up and connect it to the home network, etc. When I tried to do an update, it said the software version was up to date, which I guess is possible but I found hard to believe. I was trying to watch it witt try h audio going through the home theater receiver but video directly to HDMI 4, but I wasn’t getting any sound, so had to reconnect it to the main video out that includes sound. May experiment later but that said Gladiator, which one of the nephews wanted to see, looked and sounded great. The dogs barking in the surround sounds upset the new puppy, but she finally calmed down. She has made it through Ben-Hur and Gone with the Wind, so she’s already a pro.

Did you turn off the secondary audio option?